No, thats Costa. Griezmann mainly play as SS who run a lot from mid to get the ball and hovering around the box. I dont see Martial can replicate Griezmann's movement. He's way too static and only interested with ball on feet.
Bouhafsi: Martial wants to leave United
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Yes and no. While I agree with the sentiment of competition improving the team and players, it depends on other factors like age of the player. Martial could go one to become super awesome striker for some other club. In other words, his best levels are kind of mystery now. It could go either ways.
Herrera does not have too much of a higher ceiling than what he is already showing at the club. So Martial should be more concerned about getting matches than Ander.
I'm of the opinion that he's not serious about wanting to leaving the club, but rather doing this as a way to get more minutes & attention next season.
Basically he's had a bit of a strop, he wants us to acknowledge that he's having a strop, and give him love and a hug.
Basically he's had a bit of a strop, he wants us to acknowledge that he's having a strop, and give him love and a hug.
Doesn't he have a +1 year
I was thinking this as well - hopefully this is the case we really could do without loosing an attacker. We don' score enough goals as it is.
Not when he gives the ball away 90% of the time.
He stinks as a lone striker. No way is he a centre forward focal point for a team. He has to play on the left, so he has fought for his position with two players, Rashford and the last five months, Sanchez.
Mourinho’s really good at convincing people that players aren’t as good as they are. Just like Rashford this season too. Look at Martial under LVG. He clearly has the ability, he basically carried the attack that season in his debut year.
The sudden writing off of a player who is 22 is bizarre as well. Inconsistent now, but are we really saying that he’ll never be good enough? Nonsense and from the same people that would rather see Willian lining up for us. He’s 29 and still wildly inconsistent.
The sudden writing off of a player who is 22 is bizarre as well. Inconsistent now, but are we really saying that he’ll never be good enough? Nonsense and from the same people that would rather see Willian lining up for us. He’s 29 and still wildly inconsistent.
This is completely not true. Everytime he has played as a striker for us he has played well and mostly scored. Even the 3 games this season he played striker he got like 3 goals 4 assists.
His hold up play as well has been always shown to be very good. We just never give him a run there. Even his best matches for us he come next to lukaku as a two upfront.
Exactly. The only rumours linking him to a move away have been with Spurs & Juventus - and they've both tried their luck in the last 2/3 transfer windows anyway.
I'd be more worried if there were reports of his agent meeting with clubs, and more tangible transfer stories.
Plus his girlfriend is pregnant and due to give birth in the next 6 months or so? I think he's comfortable where he is, he just wants some love.
2 positions.
He's always been quite productive in the box.
Mourinho hasn't done anything. Ridiculous to blame him for fan behavior.
This is a typical fans reaction to news where one players wants to leave their beloved club. As some people pointed out, behaving like Ex.
Last time I checked Sanchez and Martial lose the ball on average more than 3 times every 90 mins.
Sanchez wins the ball back roughly 2.5 times more often than Martial.
He didn't leave his kid and Samantha was never his wife .Don't know why people like to spread BS.
It's easy to play the game and not give away the ball, just that it leads to nothing.
Mourinho hasn't done anything - exactly the point. He has a massive talent in Martial and he cannot get him playing to his potential. Come to think of it except DDG how many players in the squad does Mourinho have playing at or above their expected level??
Look at Pep over the road, Has players like sterling playing above and beyond expectations. For me the buck stops with the manager. Not enough of our players are playing anywhere near their potential. Martial isn't the only one.
Not being funny but we’ve had the best defence stats wise for 3 years now. Maybe we should try solve our attack which has been awful for around 5 years.
He should go on loan somewhere like Dortmund or Lyon and have a full season of starting under his belt. Maybe recapture his enjoyment of playing, then come back next summer to re-assess what the situation is at Utd.
Well its not comparable is it? Lukaku came through young, got pushed out on loan and started like 1 or 2 games. He wasn't a regular presence in the team. Periera would be comparable.
If you were saying Shaw might turn out like them then you'd have a point but not with Martial. If he leaves it's because he's afraid of a bit of competition not that he was pushed out.
If he doesn't want to have to fight for his place thats his choice but lets not make out that its an unusual situation. Very few of our past players didn't have to fight for their spot
If he’s not prepared to knuckle down and wants to be a moody so and so then I hope it’s somewhere else but here.
All well and good, but if Jose is not at fault, why shunt him to the right when he was scoring consecutively in 3 games and taking his chances to accommodate Sanchez, and then eventually dropping him? Following that, he made it seem like Martial had to drop a 10/10 every game to retain a spot, and even one mistake would see him on the bench.
Martial is lazy and inflexible, but he did enough to stake a claim for his spot. I'd apportion 70% of the blame on the manager for this.
Other than acting like a Billy big balls? Swanning around and sulking, much like Adnan. He needs to put in the hard miles and he’s looking like he doesn’t like to buckle down. This is all from the outside in but this is the impression I get.Go on crossy please make an educated reply to what I said step by step rather than being 'dramatic' or
Couldn't be more further from the truth - Januzaj was running on the good games he had for Moyes - did nothing for LVG & Mourinho & was rightfully sold; even though some people saw promise.
Martial has had good games before Jose mourinho when he was effectively our best player - and had good games directly under Jose's nose being arguably our 3rd best player if not 2nd on a consistent basis whilst having him adapt from being striker to left winger whilst getting replacements in that position every season.
Absolutely nothing in comparison to januzaj
Cos Martial wants to leave so people are looking for any opportunity to slag him off.
Because Jose can see past a 3 game run of form?
Young and Smalling have played very well for us this year, it doesn't stop posters demanding potential upgrades to come in.
I'd take it, as you say it would be a great deal all round.
I am sorry, the simple logic is that if a player is scoring consecutively and impacting games meaningfully, he retains his starting spot. Applies to anyone in football, be it Lingard or fecking Ronaldo himself. Feck all Sanchez did when he came in.
I don't trust the "vision of a manager" to see we are selling a player with goals and assists in double figures despite not being a guaranteed starter.
Young did "ok", not well. He's also not a LB by trade and in the twilight of his career. Not an objective comparison.
Yea you know.
Literally every media outlet describes the mother of his children as his wife, whom he cheated on with a girl from x factor. You can't blame people for not knowing that she wasn't.
Really dont agree with the whole "knuckle down and fight for your position". He did that for the entirety of Mourinhos time here and didnt complain once, until the last few months when it was more and more clear that he wasnt fighting a fair fight. Lukaku qas literally trash for every game for like 3-4 months. He finished the season well, but had a very, very long spell of playing like absolute trash and costing us. Did Mourinho ever drop him or rest him or sub him off? Not once. Sanchez comes in, and plays like absolute trash for most of the 5 months he was here. Again, his spot in the team on the left never in doubt. Who cares if Martial was one of our most important outfield players in the first half of the season. Who cares if he was one of the most creative and productive players in the league per 90 minutes. He went straight to the bench the second he had an average of below par performance, and then barely saw any minutes for ages so could never properly prove himself, while the supposed world class talent in Sanchez did feck all game after game.
That's not a fair fight. A fair fight is when you get equal chances and are treated equally and purely based on how you perform. Sanchez and Lukaku were untouchable, both as starters and in the way they were used basically. Martial and Rashfords only hope for starts was someone getting injured pretty much. Anyone in Martials shoes would have left.
That's not a fair fight. A fair fight is when you get equal chances and are treated equally and purely based on how you perform. Sanchez and Lukaku were untouchable, both as starters and in the way they were used basically. Martial and Rashfords only hope for starts was someone getting injured pretty much. Anyone in Martials shoes would have left.
There is no such a thing like fight for LW starting position between Martial and Sanchez. Rashford scores 2 vs our biggest rivals in Liverpool and what he gets as reward? Being shafted 3 days later on the right vs Sevilla so the one senior player can be slotted on the left, while he did almost feck all prio that game and few after.
So explain the criticism of Lukaku then? Pogba has fantastic stats per 90 yet many on here wants him dropped.
None of this is consistent, its picking and choosing standards based on who fans like better.
So whats your opinion of Martials performances after Sanchez joined? Anthony disappeared so he has no claim to being a starter right?
None of the quotes from his agent sound like anything more than posturing. The statement about failing to come to an agreement with such a big club in 8 months being the primary motivation behind a move... well it takes two parties for an agreement to be reached. Perhaps this is why Jose made his public statement about who Martial needs to listen to. Maybe we even pursued Sanchez as a reaction to his demands. Unless he changes his agent, we'll probably never know.
Don't get the relevance. Players get criticized when they are not playing well and praised when they do. In the case of Pogba, even if he plays like shite, we have no competition for him at his level of quality, which is why he had to play.
When your manager is determined to find a reason to bench you and will drop you even after one average game, motivation drops. If you don't get a fair shot at starting ahead of Sanchez, what is the point of trying? By that time, Martial was already thinking about leaving the club.
Absolutely this. He seemed to be enjoying the competition with Rashford because it was fair and balanced and made no complaints. But once Sanchez came in, he knew that Jose was biased towards him and that there was no point.
Yep. This talk of buckling down and fighting for his spot is such complete bs, when he just didnt get fair treatment. The only fight for a spot he was part of was the fight to be the first substitute with Rashford... and Mourinho on that note showed a preference to Rashford up top or on the left from day 1, regardless of actual performances.
Better yet, if he is going I'd rather use him as bait for Dybala than Griezmann. Juventus are reportedly interested after all.
Of course it's comparable. The whole point of my point of my post was showing how similar the situations are. Lukaku didn't leave Chelsea because they loaned him out, he was happy to go on loan, loans = games = development. He wanted to leave because Mourinho signed older players to play in his place. Similar to how Martial wants to leave because Mourinho has signed Sanchez to play in his place.
And let's stop with this myth that he can't handle competition. Competition is exactly what Martial had with Rashford at the start of the season. Rashford was the starter and Martial was on the bench. But did he sulk and cry like his attitude obsessed critics like to pretend he does? No. He was given a fair amount of opportunities, proved he was the better player and forced his way into the team. But ever since we signed Sanchez his opportunities have been a joke, 6 starts in 21 games, two of which were in a position he had almost no experience in, all scattered at random with no consecutive games... vs Sanchez who started 11 consecutive games while contributing almost nothing after we signed him. It's delusional to consider that 'competing for places', it's one player being given preferential treatment over another, which is exactly the sort of unfairness that De Bruyne cited as the reason for why he left Chelsea.
Mourinho has an extremely notable pattern for disregarding talented young players, Martial (and Shaw since you bring it up) are just the latest examples.
3 games. 3 games and he's lauded as ronaldo.
He's given enough start. Let him move to a club who can afford him 50 plus games and see what his excuse are.
Some of his goals comes from sub where we're leading. Teams are opening up and it suits his strenth well since space are abundance for him to dribble and score.
Football is a team game.
Really not arsed about this anymore. If Martial goes, he goes. We'll always have the money to get him back.
Just hope Mourinho is gone this time next summer.
Just hope Mourinho is gone this time next summer.
Wow I never thought of it that way, you've really opened my eyes, thanks for football fandom lesson.
Guess I was wrong to root against Liverpool in the CL final...Now I have seen the folly of my ways...
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