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There isn't a more annoying fan base than that of Messi's. Can't wait for more excuses.
I'm guessing you missed the RO16 vs Switzerland then?He didn't score or assist outside of group stage. In fact, they won one of the games from an own goal, and one other with Higuain creating everything by himself. And then defeated Holland in pens without scoring a goal.
He was excellent in groups though, but not so much after that. So, hardly 'he dragged them' to the finals.
Didn't assist -> Assists Di maria in R16He didn't score or assist outside of group stage. In fact, they won one of the games from an own goal, and one other with Higuain creating everything by himself. And then defeated Holland in pens without scoring a goal.
He was excellent in groups though, but not so much after that. So, hardly 'he dragged them' to the finals.
Both are pretty badThere isn't a more annoying fan base than that of Messi's. Can't wait for more excuses.
Sampaoli may indeed be a better manager but from what I've read about both him and Argentina before this tournament this team isn't suited to his style of play at all. Too many old players incapable of doing what he ideally wants them to, resulting in compromises in his approach, formation changes and generally underwhelming performances. Or so said the analysis I've read at least.So Argentina have better players. And Sampaoli is actually better (or at the very least) than Portugal's manager. I mean, he actually won Copa America with Chile defeating in the finals, you know, Argentina and Messi.
Hmm, there is only one other variable in the equation (not counting luck).
There isn't a more annoying fan base than that of Messi's. Can't wait for more excuses.
If Argentina didn’t have Higuain, they probably didn’t beat Belgium in the QFYou seem to be an expert in this football thing.
Perhaps and for real, if ARgentina had Eder instead of Higuain, Messi would have 1 WC and two Copa Americas at the moment. And this is way more probable.
I stand corrected about Switzerland.Didn't assist -> Assists Di maria in R16
Higuain creating everything -> His goal starts with Messi keeping the ball vs two players, Higuain scores with one touch
Portugal play shit on the stick football and just hope that Ronaldo saves the day while they are concentrated in defense.Sampaoli may indeed be a better manager but from what I've read about both him and Argentina before this tournament this team isn't suited to his style of play at all. Too many old players incapable of doing what he ideally wants them to, resulting in compromises in his approach, formation changes and generally underwhelming performances. Or so said the analysis I've read at least.
Whereas Portugal (despite having lesser players) seem like a coherent, well drilled side, even if there manager is actually less talented than Sampaoli generally.
Absolutely. People can derisively call him Penaldo all they want, but the fact is that when he needs to step up and score, like the final penalty of the CL final shootout vs. Atletico or the one against Juve this year or the one yesterday, he just scores as if it's the easiest thing in the world.The mentality is night and day.
In a few minutes @IFC 1905 will post that Argentina didn't defeat Island cause Island had better players, Sigurdsson had more help than Messi, and if Finnobagson played for Argentina instead of Aguero, then maybe Argentina would have won.If you prefer Pepe, Fonte, William, Quaresma etc over Argentinas lot then you're mental.
Absolutely mental.
Music to my ears.Is this even close anymore? Ronnie all day long, for me.
Honestly, watching this Argentina team, I'm not sure they're better at all.Portugal play shit on the stick football and just hope that Ronaldo saves the day while they are concentrated in defense.
Sampaoli is a better manager, Argentina have better player. Ronaldo for Portugal however is a better player than Messi for Argentina. Ronaldo is quite good at motivating others, while Messi is a sulker when things don't go right.
All I can say for this (and it's only through watching Argentina today) is that you only have to look at England's 'golden generation'.If you prefer Pepe, Fonte, William, Quaresma etc over Argentinas lot then you're mental.
Absolutely mental.
I'm not arguing with any of the bold though.Portugal play shit on the stick football and just hope that Ronaldo saves the day while they are concentrated in defense.
Sampaoli is a better manager, Argentina have better player. Ronaldo for Portugal however is a better player than Messi for Argentina. Ronaldo is quite good at motivating others, while Messi is a sulker when things don't go right.
Oh yeah, I agree on that. They are the England of South America when it comes to football, since Maradona retired.Honestly, watching this Argentina team, I'm not sure they're better at all.
Portugal do exactly what you say but they do it well and they stick to their roles and it works. That's how they won Euro 2016.
Argentina look like none of the players have had a team talk or have ever played with each other.
As someone who is a little more on the Ronaldo side, I can safely say both fanbases can be very extreme.There isn't a more annoying fan base than that of Messi's. Can't wait for more excuses.
Every player has had bad big matches. Especially if they played big matches as often as Messi and Ron.Ronaldo has an argument now, yes, but using mentality as a reason is a bit of a stretch. Ronaldo has been invisible in countless big games, missed penalties in others. Now that Messi is doing that doesn't meant judging them on a game to game basis is right. Ronaldo can be a stroppy sulky bitch just as much as Messi can.
Of course you don’t. I especially like how you say that I’m wrong about people basing or reaffirming their opinion on one game or one goal and then when I ask you to justify it you don’t even reply. I didn’t know that saying “na huh” and then running away was considered as blatantly and hilariously proving someone wrong.Spent hours here rebutting terrible arguments and completely stupid statements by people pretending to be unbiased that I don’t feel like leaving when they’ve so blatantly and hilariously been proven wrong
Are you sure about that, or is another "misconception" you have like Messi not assisting past group stage in the 14' WC?Every player has had bad big matches. Especially if they played big matches as often as Messi and Ron.
Just that it happens much more often to Messi than to Ronaldo. Look, every time that Barcelona hasn't won UCL, Messi has really underperformed. In the finals for Argie, as far as I can remember, Messi has been quite annonymous (bar in 2015), and in 2016 missed the pen there.
Yup can't agree with this more. You only had to look at him against Roma, he's just not the stand up and be counted type when the chips are really down and his life depends on it. He's singlehandedly won Barça the title last year by battering shite teams every week but come the hard times he was nowhere to be found.But an inspirational leader (who also happens to be one of the GOATs), should have managed to fix some of those things. Instead, he vetoes what is probably their second best player to not come in the world cup.
Absolutely. Ronaldo will never reach Messi's top level, and even after Messi's relative decline in recent years they're still more or less on par in terms of individual performances.Without question. Ronaldo is now competing because Messi level dropped. You didn’t hear any of these clowns when Messie was winning league after league and CL’s and ballandors and outscoring Ronaldo but hey would argue that stats don’t mean anything but apparently now they have meaning.
Footballing style for me goes to Messi, just my taste in terms of dribbling and movement alongside so many other aspects.
No idea why I had Pele that low, and why I had Luis Ronaldo and Zidane in top 10.1. Messi
2. Maradona
3. Cruyff
4. Pele
5. Zidane
6. C.Ronaldo
7. Fat Ronaldo
8. Beckenbauer
9. Di Stefano
10. Platini
So there, I am totally unbiased1. Suarez
2. Ronaldo
3. Messi
4. Griezmann
5. Muller
6. Neymar
7. Lewandowski
8. Ibrahimovic
9. Godin
10. Pogba
No, they are not. Messi has been nowhere to be found in way too many big games in the last years in Europe. Ronaldo, on the contrary, has made wonders there.Absolutely. Ronaldo will never reach Messi's top level, and even after Messi's relative decline in recent years they're still more or less on par in terms of individual performances.
Missed penalty and a gazillion chances against Chelsea in 2012, unable to score in 2010 against Inter (right) despite playing with one player more, anonymous against Bayern in 2013, meh against Atletico when eliminated, really bad against Roma, even worse against Juve.Are you sure about that, or is another "misconception" you have like Messi not assisting past group stage in the 14' WC?