Nurse Lucy Letby - guilty of murdering 7 babies - whole life sentence

dannyrhinos89

OMG socks and sandals lol!
Joined
Nov 24, 2013
Messages
14,453
If true these are the type of situations the death penalty should be brought back.
 

Carolina Red

Moderator
Staff
Joined
Nov 7, 2015
Messages
36,440
Location
South Carolina
If true these are the type of situations the death penalty should be brought back.
Even with y’all not having it, they’d better hope they’re never allowed anywhere near the general population of the prison.

Death row gang members still draw the line at killing kids.
 

dannyrhinos89

OMG socks and sandals lol!
Joined
Nov 24, 2013
Messages
14,453
Even with y’all not having it, they’d better hope they’re never allowed anywhere near the general population of the prison.

Death row gang members still draw the line at killing kids.

It’s entirely different in the uk our prisons and sentences are so soft compared to the US, it wouldn’t be surprising if this women is eligible for parole at some point and while she is locked up she will be protected no doubt. She will likely never go near the genareal population.
 

Carolina Red

Moderator
Staff
Joined
Nov 7, 2015
Messages
36,440
Location
South Carolina
It’s entirely different in the uk our prisons and sentences are so soft compared to the US, it wouldn’t be surprising if this women is eligible for parole at some point and while she is locked up she will be protected no doubt. She will likely never go near the genareal population.
Good grief :houllier:
 

SteveJ

all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian
Scout
Joined
Oct 22, 2010
Messages
62,851
Hell, they would've released Hindley if they could've got away with it.
 

Pexbo

Winner of the 'I'm not reading that' medal.
Joined
Jun 2, 2009
Messages
68,756
Location
Brizzle
Supports
Big Days
Hell, they would've released Hindley if they could've got away with it.
It tells you everything you need to know about that woman that even Hell have tried to release her.
 

jojojo

JoJoJoJoJoJoJo
Staff
Joined
Aug 18, 2007
Messages
38,364
Location
Welcome to Manchester reception committee
I think it's that some crimes are so horrific that we can't imagine them unless the person committing them was insane. Even when the judicial system tells us the killer knew what they were doing, and that from a criminal perspective they're fit to stand trial. We still don't want to believe that it's possible.

Hence, there will always be someone trying to explain why it happened, why they weren't wholly responsible, why they're now changed etc. Sometimes it's the justice system itself that pushed a difficult case to the psychiatric units, where not unsurprisingly the doctors take a while before declaring them mentally fit, even cured.
 

Edgar Allan Pillow

Ero-Sennin
Joined
Dec 7, 2010
Messages
41,444
Location
┴┬┴┤( ͡° ͜ʖ├┬┴┬
Not really, people are just commenting on the issue under the hypothetical (implied) scenario that it's true.
Surprise at the women getting a parole...looks pretty much like a conviction.

And do we know that these were murders? The investigation was for higher than average non-fatal deaths and someone was arrested on suspicion. I've browsed the articles and there was no confirmation that these were actually murders.

Social media speculation taints and introduces bias like nothing else.
 

jojojo

JoJoJoJoJoJoJo
Staff
Joined
Aug 18, 2007
Messages
38,364
Location
Welcome to Manchester reception committee
And do we know that these were murders? The investigation was for higher than average non-fatal deaths and someone was arrested on suspicion. I've browsed the articles and there was no confirmation that these were actually murders.
True. At present it could as easily be a statistical aberration, a symptom of poor practice in the hospital or poor training in the case of an individual. It's the police statement that talks about murder: "She was arrested earlier this morning on suspicion of murder in relation to 8 of the babies and attempted murder in relation to 6 of the babies and is currently in custody." Though of course that's not the same as saying she's been charged, and it's a very long way from anyone going to court and being convicted.
 

Paxi

Dagestani MMA Boiled Egg Expert
Joined
Mar 4, 2017
Messages
27,678
If true these are the type of situations the death penalty should be brought back.
Yeah it's too early to make assumptions like this imo. Maybe she's mentally ill and has been for some time?
 

EyeInTheSky

Full Member
Joined
Sep 20, 2015
Messages
9,992
Location
On my sofa enjoying pineapple on its own
what so 8 babies dead and no one thought, "hmm something is not quite right here". What circumstances could have been going on for suspicion not have been raised considering a single death should have been vigorously investigated ffs.

Just read the article. Are those numbers normal? So many babies dying in the hospital? Surely those numbers are alarming.
 

Classical Mechanic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
35,216
Location
xG Zombie Nation
what so 8 babies dead and no one thought, "hmm something is not quite right here". What circumstances could have been going on for suspicion not have been raised considering a single death should have been vigorously investigated ffs.

Just read the article. Are those numbers normal? So many babies dying in the hospital? Surely those numbers are alarming.
I would expect it isn’t uncommon for pre-term babies to die. @Penna will know.
 

Penna

Kind Moderator (with a bit of a mean streak)
Staff
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
49,691
Location
Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est.
I would expect it isn’t uncommon for pre-term babies to die. @Penna will know.
Well, it depends. If babies are just preterm, they often do very well in neonatal units, thrive and go home without complications. Yes, babies do sadly die, but in my experience it's usually expected - the babies who are most at risk because of extreme prematurity or other problems (like infection or bleeding) obviously have the highest mortality rate.

Some units are Level 2 Neonatal Units and will get babies transferred in from other hospitals- they'll be the sickest neonates, so death rates are (unfortunately) expected to be higher. The Countess of Chester's unit was downgraded to Level 1 (Special Care) after the initial investigation (which the hospital requested). However, the deaths had already occurred by then (through 2015 and the first half of 2016).
 

Classical Mechanic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
35,216
Location
xG Zombie Nation
Well, it depends. If babies are just preterm, they often do very well in neonatal units, thrive and go home without complications. Yes, babies do sadly die, but in my experience it's usually expected - the babies who are most at risk because of extreme prematurity or other problems (like infection or bleeding) obviously have the highest mortality rate.

Some units are Level 2 Neonatal Units and will get babies transferred in from other hospitals- they'll be the sickest neonates, so death rates are (unfortunately) expected to be higher. The Countess of Chester's unit was downgraded to Level 1 (Special Care) after the initial investigation (which the hospital requested). However, the deaths had already occurred by then (through 2015 and the first half of 2016).
Cheers.
 

Barca84

Full Member
Joined
Feb 19, 2013
Messages
3,763
Location
NOT BARCELONA
Supports
Doesn't support Barca
This exactly. I expected some middle aged witch looking woman.
Cruella de Vil style. The truth though is that killers are normally just normal looking.

Mind you we had someone in the caf not long ago who reckoned he could tell a sex offender by looking at them :houllier:
 

matherto

ask me about our 50% off sale!
Joined
Nov 3, 2009
Messages
17,550
Location
St. Helens
Is it bad that I'd really like to talk to her and ask what the bloody feck got her to this point in her life that she murdered 8 babies? Staggering.
 

Tarrou

Full Member
Joined
May 13, 2013
Messages
25,649
Location
Sydney
It's almost too unthinkable to believe. There was a case a while ago where a nurse was wrongly accused based on shift patterns matching or something, so you never know she might be innocent.
 

SteveJ

all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian
Scout
Joined
Oct 22, 2010
Messages
62,851
It's almost too unthinkable to believe. There was a case a while ago where a nurse was wrongly accused based on shift patterns matching or something, so you never know she might be innocent.
There's been at least three wrongful accusations in recent years that I can think of. The media shouldn't be publicly naming this person, IMO.
 

Charlie Foley

Full Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2012
Messages
18,414
Cruella de Vil style. The truth though is that killers are normally just normal looking.

Mind you we had someone in the caf not long ago who reckoned he could tell a sex offender by looking at them :houllier:
Sounds like a sex offender
 

GloryHunter07

Full Member
Joined
Oct 11, 2007
Messages
12,152
There's been at least three wrongful accusations in recent years that I can think of. The media shouldn't be publicly naming this person, IMO.
Agree, some woman has had her face plastered across all the newspapers etc this week before the investigation has finished (let alone a trial even started).