Let's all Laugh at England

[adman]

*England fan in peace*

As a 22 year old England fan who lives in his middle-class bubble I don't get all the hate for England. Now, i'm genuinely curious why this is. I get that the England travelling support as right-wing nationalist slant to it, plus there is a sense of arrogance around England and the colonial history.

But, can anybody (espeically Scottish and Irish fans) please explain why there is such a hatred for the English football team which has done nothing since 1966.

I doubt it has much to do with colonial history but more with the other points. English fans (and not just a small chunk like every English person here is saying) are absolutely terrible to deal with or watch match with in public spaces (I have experienced it first hand), I usually like English people and their sense of humor but I seriously can't stand English fans.
And as for arrogance, remember we all laughed at Brazil in 2014 so why is it blasphemous to laugh at England now. Look at how this thread went, we all including English fans were laughing at the other countries but when it came to England, they all started acting butthurt and calling foreigners fake fans because they didn't support England. And I wanna ask those proud Englishmen, how many of them were supporting English club Liverpool against the Spanish club Real Madrid.

I simply wasn't concerned about how England team were doing but after seeing reactions of English Fans here I am now glad they lost.

Peace.

 

[RW2]

On the pundits, this is how the BBC began their World Cup coverage. Remember, there was zero expectancy. It's called a depreciating sense of humour. I'd suggest some of you are in dire fecking need of getting one.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

If England had won the WC then this would have been only the tip of the iceberg.

 

[jojojo]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

If England had won the WC then this would have been only the tip of the iceberg.

And that would be bad because people were having a party?

I don't know any set of fans who wouldn't celebrate a win for their team - and if there are some, I can only imagine they're so arrogant they think winning the World Cup is a normal event.

 

[Reapersoul20]

Dont worry Engielskis. I got you covered.


It can still come home, in four easy steps.

 

[Ødegaard]

*England fan in peace*

As a 22 year old England fan who lives in his middle-class bubble I don't get all the hate for England. Now, i'm genuinely curious why this is. I get that the England travelling support as right-wing nationalist slant to it, plus there is a sense of arrogance around England and the colonial history.

But, can anybody (espeically Scottish and Irish fans) please explain why there is such a hatred for the English football team which has done nothing since 1966.

I can explain the simple reason I wanted England to lose: Dele Alli.
Dele Alli, Suarez, Busquets, Ramos, Pepe & Costa are people I hope decide to stop playing football as soon as possible.

In the past I neither disliked or liked England, mostly because United players I wished well for and opposition players I didn't. That and England fans in Norway don't remotely use "football's coming home" with anything resembling irony.

Get rid of Dele Alli and I'll view England as the other decent to good teams that don't have players I strongly dislike.
I did find the England team more likeable now compared to last era, and the manager seems likeable as well.

 

[Yagami]

And that would be bad because people were having a party?

I don't know any set of fans who wouldn't celebrate a win for their team - and if there are some, I can only imagine they're so arrogant they think winning the World Cup is a normal event.

@RW2 just hates England.

 

[Bruno Marques]

This video is great. ahahaha, love it.

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

Dont worry Engielskis. I got you covered.


It can still come home, in four easy steps.

Lucky us. I bet the French could also have a half-decent attempt at converting their flag should they lose the final.

 

[Judas]

It became quite apparent to me that RW2 certainly has an axe to grind against England when he took an obvious joke about England creating football, and went on to argue about it for 3 or more pages.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Ok, I had absolutely no idea it is this bad. I mean that looks like it's been crazier celebrated than here in Croatia.

This has nothing to do with football. It was when they checked the weather forecast and it said it would be over 20 theee days in a row.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

On the pundits, this is how the BBC began their World Cup coverage. Remember, there was zero expectancy. It's called a depreciating sense of humour. I'd suggest some of you are in dire fecking need of getting one.

Best part of this is Danny dyer

“It was the way we played y’know we didn’t just hoof it” hahaha

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

Best part of this is Danny dyer

“It was the way we played y’know we didn’t just hoof it” hahaha

How dare you insinuate we only hoofed it. Typical anti-English bile again.

We also won lots of penalties.

 

[Revan]

wtf

Still the funniest thing in that mess is that the Lingard pass is actually offside. The referee should have allowed them to score, celebrate and then call VAR for offside, just for shit and giggles.

 

[Random Task]

How dare you insinuate we only hoofed it. Typical anti-English bile again.

We also won lots of penalties.

And the hearts & minds of an entire nation.

How's that for cringe?

 

[Redlambs]

I see the poor little Irish folk are still at it. Wee little lads love the craic.

Bless!

 

[Deleted member 101472]

I see the poor little Irish folk are still at it. Wee little lads love the craic.

Bless!

This is an Irish website

 

[Redlambs]

This is an Irish website

And?

 

[Massive Spanner]

And?

Your kind of people aren't welcome around 'ere.

*grimacing look*

 

[Ekeke]

Posted this is another thread too. There's much more arrogance and smugness coming from the Croatian media and players than there ever was for England who's "It's coming home" song was more of a pisstake.

I know a lot of people thought England were "arrogant", but not a peep on the Croatian arrogance?

'The national broadcaster, HRT, started its post-match programme with presenters and studio guests jumping around and chanting, while Robert Prosinecki, a member of Croatia’s bronze-winning side in 1998, said: “We murdered the English in the second half!”. Josko Jelicic, Croatia’s self-styled answer to Gary Lineker,added: “They [England] have nothing to cry about – they were knocked out by the future world champions. We played a mature game, the English were unbelievably inferior”.

The Vecernji list newspaper went with the headline “We knocked the English down, Croatia are in the World Cup final!”, with Zeljko Jankovic writing how Croatia and France will now decide “who plays the best football on the planet at the moment”. It turned out to be rhetorical as he answered it himself by adding: “It’s Croatia, don’t even doubt that!”

Vecernji’s website devoted an unusual amount of space to gloating over the fate of the losing team, with headlines such as “Football’s not coming home”, “The arrogance hit them back”, “The English are sore losers” and even published a photo gallery titled “Look how the English cry after losing to Croatia” with pictures of downbeat players and fans.

“France, who are better than England, can hardly stop them”, wrote Drazen Antolic. “That will be a true final, a top clash between the two sides who have shown the most at the tournament.”

To be honest I never saw that type of arrogance and gloating coming out of England. You'd think they didn't scrape past very average Denmark and Russia teams on penalties or the so-called overrated, terrible English team.

So surely the first game they play a good team in the KO stages is Sunday? Let's see what happens. All of this will come back to bite them as they will be crying on Sunday and making excuses no doubt. France will play them off the park and probably have Croatia with a negative goal difference in the KO stages.

The difference here is that its post match, after all the England were looking past Croatia before the match. This is the blowback. Well that and the Croatia match where Modric said that all the comments and disrespect before the match fueled their players to keep pushing on. So thats what the English media did for the team.

 

[fergies coat]

Apparently you shouldn’t enjoy your team getting to the semi final, and have dreams of winning it. It’s arrogant.

Football is entertainment and is supposed to be enjoyed. So what if everyone was getting carried away. Your supposed to.

Are you telling me if any other country, or Ireland got to the semi finals they wouldn’t dream of winning it, but the good old Irish your only there for the craic.

This place is full of hypocrites.

 

[Redlambs]

Apparently you shouldn’t enjoy your team getting to the semi final, and have dreams of winning it. It’s arrogant.

Football is entertainment and is supposed to be enjoyed. So what if everyone was getting carried away. Your supposed to.

Are you telling me if any other country, or Ireland got to the semi finals they wouldn’t dream of winning it, but the good old Irish your only there for the craic.

This place is full of hypocrites.

 

[fergies coat]

Could you imagine. There’d be a lot worse than us English. Only difference is no one would be slagging them off for it.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

It was definitely nuanced sarcasm at the beginning. However, after trouncing the mighty Panama, and having bigger teams unexpectedly fall by the wayside, England began to believe their own hype.

You could tell from the very thinly-veiled bias in the commentary/punditry of every game the England team were involved in, and the growing arrogance of the general fanbase. Derogatory remarks (online, at least) about Sweden being a rubbish team, comments about England being on par with Belgium, the overconfidence (of pundits and fans alike) and dismissing of the Croatian team etc. These were the things that made even 'neutral' fans start wanting England to lose just to bring them back down to Earth. It was one big annoying England soap opera nobody but the England fans wanted to watch.

If you take the media and media pundits as the voice of the people of England then you're always going to be someway inaccurate in sensing the nuances of English public opinion.

I suspect that principle also applies for countries across much of the World!

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

It was definitely nuanced sarcasm at the beginning. However, after trouncing the mighty Panama, and having bigger teams unexpectedly fall by the wayside, England began to believe their own hype.

You could tell from the very thinly-veiled bias in the commentary/punditry of every game the England team were involved in, and the growing arrogance of the general fanbase. Derogatory remarks (online, at least) about Sweden being a rubbish team, comments about England being on par with Belgium, the overconfidence (of pundits and fans alike) and dismissing of the Croatian team etc. These were the things that made even 'neutral' fans start wanting England to lose just to bring them back down to Earth. It was one big annoying England soap opera nobody but the England fans wanted to watch.

There was nothing thinly-veiled about their bias, they were Englishmen involved in football. Did you expect anything else?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

The difference here is that its post match, after all the England were looking past Croatia before the match. This is the blowback. Well that and the Croatia match where Modric said that all the comments and disrespect before the match fueled their players to keep pushing on. So thats what the English media did for the team.

How do you come up with that? Find one comment from the manager or players to support that.

 

[Jack-C20]

If you take the media and media pundits as the voice of the people of England then you're always going to be someway inaccurate in sensing the nuances of English public opinion.

I suspect that principle also applies for countries across much of the World!

Very true! I myself hated listening to the ITV commentary. The main commemtator was more than positive for England, he was properly biased. In all honesty I’m not sure why anyone watches the punditry either. All they really do is repeat rubbish.

 

[Robbie Boy]

feck it, I have more laughs in me

 

[Random Task]

The difference here is that its post match, after all the England were looking past Croatia before the match. This is the blowback. Well that and the Croatia match where Modric said that all the comments and disrespect before the match fueled their players to keep pushing on. So thats what the English media did for the team.

The vast majority of football pundits, at least those with an ounce of common sense, considered the England vs Croatia encounter to be an even affair, and for the most part that would be the correct assessment. England dominated the first half, whilst the second was a more even affair before Croatia eventually took control of the game and ultimately won it.

Also, if the Croatia players were so offended by the comments of certain football pundits prior to kick-off, to the point that it actually inspired them to fight on in the face of British tyranny, why did they perform like rank amateurs in the first half and parts of the second? England could and perhaps should have had the game sewn up before half-time (and they would have done so had Kane, Lingard and Sterling shown more composure in and around the box) so let's not pretend that Croatia performed above and beyond the call of duty because they were so wound up prior to kick-off.

 

[Buchan]

This thread could reach sixty pages yet. The meltdowners still haven’t gotten over it!

 

[fergies coat]

Very true! I myself hated listening to the ITV commentary. The main commemtator was more than positive for England, he was properly biased. In all honesty I’m not sure why anyone watches the punditry either. All they really do is repeat rubbish.

Of course it was biased. It was English people watching England. You listen Brazilian commentary or any other countries commentary’s, there’ll be biased to. How do people not grasp this.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

So I have cracked the code!
I can now reveal the truth behind It's Coming Home. First, lets look at a picture of the crowd at Wembley from 1966 when England won the World Cup:

Notice how many Union Jacks there are? Notice how few St. George Cross there are? As we all know, the Union Jack represents the UK and incorporate the Scots flag. Contrast this with current England crowds:

This is important because as we all should know, it was the Scots that actually invented modern football

However, the English game was still mainly a question of head-down dribbling and "backing up" (by colleagues anxious to seize what was later dubbed the "second ball"). This was not a game which would have conquered the world with its beauty.

And then the Scots had the notion of artfully distributing the ball among the players. It started with young men, from Perthshire and the Highlands mainly, who gathered at Queen's Park in Glasgow in 1867. They obtained a copy of the FA laws and amended them to conform with an almost scientific blend of dribbling and passing.

When they invented passing, these lads invented football. Not the heir to Shrove Tuesday scrimmages but the football that was to charm every continent. Far from being an English game, it was one that was conceived to confound the English because the Scots, being generally smaller than their opponents in football's oldest international rivalry, could hardly afford to take them on physically.


Thus we had the Scots' "combination game", the original pattern from which everything worthwhile in football – from the mid-European flair that culminated in England's humbling by Hungary at the old Wembley in 1953, to the 1970 Brazilians, to the Barcelona of Pep Guardiola – has been designed.

It even worked for the Scots for a while. They were the original world champions, albeit unofficially, for although the first international, with Queen's Park representing Scotland in Glasgow in 1872, ended goalless and England won the next in London, the Scots won 10 and drew three of the ensuing 14.

So my internet friends, it is very simple. For Football to Come Home, England needs to throw away the St. Georges cross flag and reintroduce the Union Jack - which represents the true lineage of football's home. By flying the St. George's Cross and saying Its Coming Home, you are jinxing yourself.

TL;DR For Football to Come Home, you need to reintroduce the Union Jack and abandon the St. George's Cross

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Apparently you shouldn’t enjoy your team getting to the semi final, and have dreams of winning it. It’s arrogant.

Football is entertainment and is supposed to be enjoyed. So what if everyone was getting carried away. Your supposed to.

Are you telling me if any other country, or Ireland got to the semi finals they wouldn’t dream of winning it, but the good old Irish your only there for the craic.

This place is full of hypocrites.

Dreams of winning it are fine. It’s the lexicon people choose to describe those dreams that bugs people.

 

[Jack-C20]

Of course it was biased. It was English people watching England. You listen Brazilian commentary or any other countries commentary’s, there’ll be biased to. How do people not grasp this.

I expect some bias but the guy was literally sounding like a bloke down the pub who questions the referees decision even if it’s clear as day.

 

[Ekeke]

Apparently you shouldn’t enjoy your team getting to the semi final, and have dreams of winning it. It’s arrogant.

Football is entertainment and is supposed to be enjoyed. So what if everyone was getting carried away. Your supposed to.

Are you telling me if any other country, or Ireland got to the semi finals they wouldn’t dream of winning it, but the good old Irish your only there for the craic.

This place is full of hypocrites.

I'm English. I was bemused. And I'm not at all surprised with Modric's comments saying that Croatia used it as fuel.

What does it do for the team to overhype them and overlook opponents, talking about the final when you havent won a semi final yet?

Nothing.

It doesnt help the team. But it may help the opposition get the bit between their teeth and have something extra to prove, which Modric suggests is the case.

 

[kevin hunt]

England have the makings of a very good team and the manger should stay on for the foreseeable future. Inexperience caught up with them in the end. I also think that with a 4-2-3-1 system they may be much better.IMO.

They haven't though and the sooner people realise that the better . They are a decent bunch of dedicated players but are glaringly short of world class talent especially in the middle of the park and in the back 4 . Now if you had a Varane and a Modric you would be starting to get places , while you have a Maguire and a Henderson you are over achieving .

 

[kevin hunt]

Apparently you shouldn’t enjoy your team getting to the semi final, and have dreams of winning it. It’s arrogant.

Football is entertainment and is supposed to be enjoyed. So what if everyone was getting carried away. Your supposed to.

Are you telling me if any other country, or Ireland got to the semi finals they wouldn’t dream of winning it, but the good old Irish your only there for the craic.

This place is full of hypocrites.

We certainly would not be making plans to greet the team with"spitfires" when we won it , no wonder the world mocks you lot

 

[Chekhov]

I see that plenty of English knickers are still in a twist. Lovely!

 

[Edgio]

So I have cracked the code!
I can now reveal the truth behind It's Coming Home. First, lets look at a picture of the crowd at Wembley from 1966 when England won the World Cup:

Notice how many Union Jacks there are? Notice how few St. George Cross there are? As we all know, the Union Jack represents the UK and incorporate the Scots flag. Contrast this with current England crowds:

This is important because as we all should know, it was the Scots that actually invented modern football



So my internet friends, it is very simple. For Football to Come Home, England needs to throw away the St. Georges cross flag and reintroduce the Union Jack - which represents the true lineage of football's home. By flying the St. George's Cross and saying Its Coming Home, you are jinxing yourself.

TL;DR For Football to Come Home, you need to reintroduce the Union Jack and abandon the St. George's Cross

The jocks will love this

 

[fellaini's barber]

Imagine the commentary in the PL if England won. 'World cup winner Kane receives a pass from another world cup winner Trippier, he's being put under pressure from Van Dijk, whose team couldn't even qualify for the world cup'

 

[Tomuś]

Meltdown from Englishmen here.

Haven't seen meltdown tbf. I can only call the English here on their treatment of Kane i.e. first build him up to some sort of best No.9 only to call him a bottler when he messed up against Croatia. Had they got a peno and he scored it would've continued. Apart from that they're as amicabe a bunch as you'll see. Especially after throwing it away in the semis. I for one know I wouldn't be as polite perhaps. Good on them actually. I like Croatia as a country a lot but this time round you feel for England.