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So why bother then? We may as well give up and give the title to City at the beginning of the season. You really believe United don't want to catch City and are happy in second place? The younger fan base was brought up on winning titles. Football is about money these days and the club will know you generate more money by more fans. You gain more fans by winning trophies.



Erm yes it is a strategy. Liverpool's biggest weakness has been the goalkeeper since Klopp joined. They have bought arguably the best goalkeeper available on the market. That is a strategy.

Our strategy. Look for a big name player that won't sign, try for a month, get no where. Buy an inferior replacement after all the other good available players have already moved.

I dont think youve read the memo.

#MUFC vice chairman Ed Woodward: May 17, 2018

“If I can answer very simply and candidly. Playing performance doesn't really have a meaningful impact on what we can do on the commercial side of the business."

aka we dont need to win things anymore to make money
 

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The club generally offers a lot of flexibility to the manager on transfer targets. This meant with two changes in managers in quick succession before Mourinho, players were bought with different intents. Coupled with the fact that Moyes and LvG were so so with their judgement, it meant we were stuck with some odd players.

Look at the last 3 summer windows and the work that has been done in terms of squad overhaul and we have been fairly productive. The notable names that have been sent out - Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Depay, Rooney, Januzaj and now Blind and possibly Darmian.

We've had in (may be I'm missing some)
Midfield - Pogba, Matic
Wide Players/Attackers - Sanchez, Mkhitaryan
Defenders - Lindelof, Bailly
Forwards - Lukaku, Zlatan

And this window we've had Fred and Dalot.

Ideally, yes, it would have been good to replace/improve on Young, Valencia, Fellaini and Mata more quickly. And also the jury is still out on the CBs and Sanchez, while Mkhi was a failure. Given the improvement all over the squad at the time of Mourinho's arrival, you can hardly say our transfers are without a plan.

In my mind, the one quick and hurried decision was Sanchez possibly. But it's hardly an indication of a lack of plan. It was getting a world class attacker and dispensing off a jaded one. How the team selection has been done since then given Martial's and Sanchez's form is a bit weird, but that is not an indicator of transfer plan

We are revamping the core step by step while still staying relevant and it is still going on. As with any transfer, some work and some don't, but that doesn't mean everything is haphazard and not planned.
 

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Of course you don't understand, you don't know what's going on behind the scene and most things you read on media aren't to be trusted because that's how they gain revenue, by spreading bollocks for clicks.
 

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You realise that the manager is the one who decides which players we go for and we've gotten Martial, Sanchez and Mkhi in the last few years as wide players. Plus Mata.
I was being slightly sarcastic but the point remains about not addressing key positions

we've spent a fortune and still our first choice full backs are 30 something converted wingers and we are seriously imbalanced with Rashford, Martial and Sanchez all vying for a spot on the left and a slow Mata seemingly our main player on the right
 

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I think the problem is Woodward, he sees the club too much from a business perspective and not enough from a football perspective. he even said himself that what happens with the season performance doesn't really impact the commercial aspects of the business. We all know that United is a global brand that will make money either way but something has to change.

If you look back at the days of Fergie and Gill, they cared about the football, yes we made money but that's always been the case but they put football first; If we had to go out and spend £30m (probably about £80m today) then we did and no one questioned it. Fergie and Gill may be gone, but the legacy and expectations that they left behind haven't, the fans expect whoever is in charge to continue the legacy of our football club.

I've had enough of people blaming managers, I'll admit I'm guilty of this too, but its clear to see now that the managers aren't to blame, Woodward is and probably further up. Yes we are a business and we need to balance books but first and foremost we are a football club, we have a history of winning and unless our executives start treating us like a club again then I worry we may end up like Arsenal, Liverpool and Milan. If you look back Jose said he's leaving the transfers to Woodward, and during the biggest football match of the summer, which is a great place to scout, he watches fecking tennis; Its clear to see he isn't bothered about the transfers.

We need to get back to what we are good at, playing football and winning trophies. No more executives lining their own or the Glazer's pockets.

If this is the way the club, my club, OUR CLUB is going to be ran then we need to make a stand, if the green and gold scarves have to come back then so be it, but I will not sit back and let my club become a team that was.

So he can't have a weekend to watch tennis and work 7 days a week? We have to sell the players first to balance the books and how many players we can play for next season, if we didn't sell Blind, Darmain etc and buy Sandro and Toby, we can't register more players so Blind and Damian would have given up slots for the new signings and stay with us next season but we will have to pay them weekly even if they cannot play with us and we cannot register them for next season, it is completely pointless, we could terminate their contract and pay them in full compensation.
 

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Lingard improving constantly and after a decent performance at the WC don't see why he shouldn't be in with a shout.
If he can work, after a fashion, in that “grafter” like role José probably favours (with Sanchez doing the business as more of a direct attacking threat and creative force on the opposite flank) – then yes.

But it shouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility for a club with United's resources to bring in some kind of natural wide man (Lingard isn't that for my money, he has “utility player” written all over him) on the right – who is better, all things said and done, than Lingard. But, yeah – if the idea is to go with a 4-3-3 and nobody is coming in, then he could be our best bet. I'd rather see him there than Mata – who's a nice guy and all, but whatever.

Matic

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Lukaku​

Personally, I would use Sanchez on the right – play without pure wingers and just see how a trio of Martial-Lukaku-Sanchez works out. Pray that DD is the new Cafu and...pray for all kinds of other things too.
 

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Our own however, I just don’t understand; to ramble a little, the reliable Duncan Castles assured us that left-back was our priority at the start of the summer, and that we were far along in talks for Alex Sandro - Tierney a back up - with Juventus not exactly asking for an exorbitant fee. Midway through the summer however that dropped off the radar as Mourinho suddenly 180’d and Ashley Young became a top notch attacking full back with Luke Shaw a sure thing to get fit at his 32nd attempt. We then seem to have fumbled around for a centre back in Alderweireld but Levy – shockingly – asked for a fee that was not at our preferred mate’s rate discount of £50m, and that’s where all reliable reports of our centre back pursuit ended. It was previously widely communicated that after the Sanchez signing another attacker would not come unless Martial left, but this seemed to fly out the window after Bale’s Champions League final revelations, Woodward deciding to wait on him like the loyal retriever, clearly taking heart from Bale being so keen to come that he waited until the first day of Real Madrid's pre-season to have his urgent post-Champions League final chat with Lopetegui. Seems we’ve been knocked back on that too. We’re now briefing the press that we’re refusing to panic whilst simultaneously planting nonsense leaks about Lewandowski and Thiago, with Mourinho openly stating that he’s worried. I’m not sure we even have viable back ups to Alderweireld and Bale.

Ever since Thiago and Strootman it's felt like Woodward & co were allowing themselves to be blown around in the market breeze rather than strategically cutting their way through it, though I’m not sure whether this is just my perception?
I think it's pretty simple.

After last Summer we failed to get Perisic so our priority was an attacking player. I think Mourinho was comfortable with the RB position with Valencia and for LB was willing to give Shaw another chance knowing he had the likes of Darmian, Rojo, Young, Blind who could also play in that position.

Going into December I think Mourinho had given up on Shaw so saw LB as a priority. He also knew we were still desperate for an attacker, wanted a young RB as a successor to the aging Valencia and that if Fellaini left (along with Carrick) we'd need two central midfielders. That formed his five prospective Summer signings.

Since that date we secured one of the best attacking players in the league in Sanchez. We secured Mourinho's top target to replace Carrick in Fred. We secured Mourinho's top target for a young right back to hopefully succeed Valencia in Dalot & Fellaini re-signed which I think in Mourinho's mind leaves him comfortable in midfield (Herrera, Pogba, Fred, Matic, Fellaini are 5 players into 2.5 positions). Since that date (whether fans like it or not) he's also seen an improvement in Young that no-one expected. Young has pushed Rose out of the England LB position and performed well for United which in my view has caused Mourinho to realise we aren't desperate for a left back this Summer.

I believe Mourinho is now absolutely open to signing a LB, but is looking for 100% the right player at the right price. I think the idea of Rose is dead and buried due to his poor season. I think he's uncertain regarding Sandro given his somewhat poor season, especially at the €50+m prices quoted towards the start of the window (it doesn't surprise me that Juventus are now briefing a lower price to entice us back in). Likewise I think he feels it's a season too early for the likes of Sessegnon (whose committed to Fulham next season) or Tierney (whose reportedly committed to Celtic). With the reduction in expenditure required due to Fellaini/Sanchez I believe Mourinho has then looked at the next area of the squad that he wants to improve (central defense), which again he'll only do for the right player at the right price. I imagine if we're interested in Alderweireld we're waiting for the annual "Levy panic" at the end of the window where he realises he isn't going to get £60m for a £40m player and begins to actually negotiate in good faith in order to recoup the money he's spent.

I think the Sandro deal could still go through at the right price and believe if this happens Mourinho will be perfectly happy with his squad. Likewise I think Alderweireld could possibly happen if Spurs have to balance the books, dependent on their spend. This was always going to be deadline day though. I think the only thing Mourinho didn't legislate for is the quantity of his players getting so far in the World Cup. Never did he believe Jones, Lingard, Young & Rashford, Pogba, Lukaku & Fellaini would get to the semi's (with Lindelof & Fred in the QF).

I think the reason fans are confused is because they don't see Mourinho as being here long term so they believe he's only planning short term. My view is very different. I believe Mourinho feels he's at the first big club in his career who will show him the loyalty to allow him to build a squad. Therefore he'd prefer not to spend €50m on the gamble of Sandro and would prefer to stick with Young and monitor more exciting younger players. In my view he's looking for the right players, rather than the players who're merely available. If that means saving £100m of his budget this season and getting Alderweireld/Tierney for £55m combined next Summer, along with a truly world class attacker next season then he'd see it as a better option.

You may disagree of course.
 

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Maybe the club is playing hardball with Jose and telling him you have the players so get on with the job.
That would be the most worrying thing if the board are thinking like that. That would mean they are a bunch of raving idiots if they think we have the players to win the league let alone compete in CL. We have no depth in quality Let alone starters in key positions like LB and RW.
Or it could mean that the board are happy to be competing for top 4....and no more. Arsenal followed this strategy and made A LOT of money.
Remember, MUFC is seen as a business.
We, the fans don't care about the business side of the club - we just want to win.
So, we have E.Woodward caught in the middle, having to satisfy the board and the fans. Not easy.
 

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City don't operate in a vacuum. Their run last season was impressive, nobody will deny that, but they weren't up against any genuinely top class opposition: United came closest – and unless one is extremely blinkered, it is obvious that United weren't a top class outfit. City weren't pushed by anyone. They just ran out of sight – and the reason why this happened is not, contrary to what some people seem to believe, that we're dealing with Barca Mk2.

They aren't Barca Mk2. They're relatively speaking an ordinary team compared to that benchmark, so this idea - which is bizarrely promoted by both Pep and Mou enthusiasts – that nothing can be done to stop them beyond signing Messi, Ronaldo and the next Messonaldo, is unfounded. The “best PL team ever” is nowhere near being the best team in Europe – does that make sense?

They're beatable. You need consistency on top of quality to do that, though. And the former is probably even more important than the latter. If Mourinho is still capable of putting together a so-called “Mourinho team”, that team can certainly win the league over City. It's much less of a challenge than winning La Liga over Barca Mk1, even sans Ronaldo (City play sans Messi and Xaviesta, let's not forget). Getting the "Mourinho team" factor in place, though, is not a question of bringing in players muppets consider grand - it's a question of the man himself working his mojo (or jomo), a question of team mentality, etc.

If he's lost that jomo, it doesn't matter who we buy - it won't work. Not on the highest level - not in a way that leads to challenging for the biggest prizes.
Agree with you on most. $hitty is not as good as Pep’s UEFAlona, at least the one from 2008 to 2011 which won two CLs and completely outclassed Madrid. It’s results in Europe speak for themselves. Also there’s the fact that on a direct March we actually soundly beat them! That city’s far from invincible. They just had a freak season, having won or tied hands in the last minutes which gave the illusion of consistency.

They are the tema to beat, not in direct matches because we have already done so, but in consistency through the league. We can’t lose points against fodder as we did last season. I’m sure the addition of Fred will help our transition from defense to attack, but we still miss a RW, which can provide Lukaku, and an LB which can aid Sanchez/Martial to be more threatening.

$hitty isn’t the best PL team ever, both United 98-99, United 07-08, United 12-13, and the Arsenal Invincibles were way better. Also they are nowhere as good as the best Barcelona side in history, which is right there with United 99, Zidane’s Madrid, and Sachi’s Milan as one of the best club sides in history (although I seriously despise possesion based game, and despise even more UEFAlona’s fake humbleness and hypocritical attitude).
 

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Or it could mean that the board are happy to be competing for top 4....and no more. Arsenal followed this strategy and made A LOT of money.
Remember, MUFC is seen as a business.
We, the fans don't care about the business side of the club - we just want to win.
So, we have E.Woodward caught in the middle, having to satisfy the board and the fans. Not easy.
I think the fact that we have only been outspent by an ffp breaking state oil backed club in terms of spending refuted the "Arsenal model" argument. We have paid record fees for players which proves we are willing to spend but not to the extreme because like you say this is a business as well.
 

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I've vented, got angry, worried etc but now feck it, lets wait and see what happens over the next 3 weeks. No signings would be crap but I'm excited to see the players we already have reach their potential.

They never will under Jose, shame but that’s the truth.
 

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We had one of the best defences last year. And Mou is still one of the best when organizing a team. Won't be worried if we don't sign any defender right away given that TFM is back and Shaw will be playing for a contract/transfer.

Midfield has been strengthened with AP back and Fred. Too many attackers already and I think we'll sign someone only as a replacement to an existing player (if someone leaves).

Overall more worried about how Mou will get the best out of the existing players and play better as a team. We have the right players and at the right age profiles.
United did not have one of the best defences last year, DDG just played out of his skin and covered up the cracks.
 

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United did not have one of the best defences last year, DDG just played out of his skin and covered up the cracks.
United have had the best or second best defensive record in the league for 3 seasons in a row. De Gea has been brilliant and we have had at times quite a defensive system, but surely the defense should get some credit?!
 

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United have had the best or second best defensive record in the league for 3 seasons in a row. De Gea has been brilliant and we have had at times quite a defensive system, but surely the defense should get some credit?!
The defensive record is due to the very negative tactics employed by Mourinho. And such a negative team shouldn't have to be saved by the keeper as often as we did.
 

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United have had the best or second best defensive record in the league for 3 seasons in a row. De Gea has been brilliant and we have had at times quite a defensive system, but surely the defense should get some credit?!
Not when they often leak countless chances to the opposition, despite Jose deploying negative tactics. You only have to look at the expected goals table of last season to see the effect that DDG had - https://understat.com/league/EPL. Every top team more or less in line with their xGA, bar one outlier. Interestingly, the only other team with a similar xGA difference was Burnley, who deployed a similarly negative setup.
 

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The defensive record is due to the very negative tactics employed by Mourinho. And such a negative team shouldn't have to be saved by the keeper as often as we did.
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The defensive record is due to the very negative tactics employed by Mourinho. And such a negative team shouldn't have to be saved by the keeper as often as we did.
Not when they often leak countless chances to the opposition, despite Jose deploying negative tactics. You only have to look at the expected goals table of last season to see the effect that DDG had - https://understat.com/league/EPL. Every top team more or less in line with their xGA, bar one outlier. Interestingly, the only other team with a similar xGA difference was Burnley, who deployed a similarly negative setup.
Yeah fair points. The system and de Gea were the reasons why we conceded so few. But, our defense isn't as poor as many suggest. Just so we're clear, I would say we could do with a new LB, LCB and first choice RB (3 out of our 4 defensive line).
 

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we were 8th in terms of saves

which is to say that De Gea was the 8th busiest keeper in the league

that isn't an ideal stat but reflects that our defence isn't all that - De Gea covered a multitude of weaknesses and he had to make nearly twice as many saves as Ederson or Karius

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/saves?se=79
Not the best use of stats there though. Karius for example played 1710mins in the PL compared to De Geas 3330mins. So obviously he's going to have made many more saves than Karius. A better use of those stats is to divide the players minutes by total saves. That way you get a 'shot every x mins' statistic. By doing that you get the below:

  1. Ederson - 39mins
  2. Loris Karius - 38mins
  3. Martin Dubravka - 29.2mins
  4. Thibaut Courtois - 29.2mins
  5. Simon Mignolet - 29mins
  6. Hugo Lloris - 27.5mins
  7. Alex McCarthy - 23.8mins
  8. David De Gea - 23.5mins
  9. Petr Cech - 22.7mins
  10. Orestis Karnezis - 22.5mins
  11. Robert Elliot - 22.2mins
  12. Ben Foster - 21.8mins
  13. Jonas Lössl - 21.5mins
  14. Kasper Schmeichel - 21.3mins
  15. Heurelho Gomes - 21.1mins
  16. Nick Pope - 21mins
  17. Asmir Begovic - 19.9mins
  18. Mathew Ryan - 19.3mins
  19. Jordan Pickford - 19.2mins
  20. Wayne Hennessey - 18.8mins
  21. Joe Hart - 18.8mins
  22. Fraser Forster - 18.6mins
  23. Lukasz Fabianski - 17.8mins
  24. Adrián - 17.6mins
  25. Jack Butland - 15.5mins

So you can see that De Gea faces more shots than most of the top 6 keepers (except Cech). It also demonstrates than Karius and Ederson faced significantly less shots per minute than the rest of the keepers in the league (so does confirm your initial point but not twice as many as you first said).

You can then check out how long it takes for each keeper to concede a goal.

  1. Ederson - 39mins
  2. Loris Karius - 38mins
  3. David De Gea - 23.5mins
  4. Martin Dubravka - 29.2mins
  5. Thibaut Courtois - 29.2mins
  6. Hugo Lloris - 27.5mins
  7. Nick Pope - 21mins
  8. Simon Mignolet - 29mins
  9. Robert Elliot - 22.2mins
  10. Petr Cech - 22.7mins
  11. Mathew Ryan - 19.3mins
  12. Kasper Schmeichel - 21.3mins
  13. Alex McCarthy - 23.8mins
  14. Lukasz Fabianski - 17.8mins
  15. Ben Foster - 21.8mins
  16. Fraser Forster - 18.6mins
  17. Wayne Hennessey - 18.8mins
  18. Jonas Lössl - 21.5mins
  19. Jordan Pickford - 19.2mins
  20. Adrián - 17.6mins
  21. Asmir Begovic - 19.9mins
  22. Heurelho Gomes - 21.1mins
  23. Orestis Karnezis - 22.5mins
  24. Jack Butland - 15.5mins
  25. Joe Hart - 18.8mins

Then you can also work out how many of the shots on goal are let in by the keeper.

  1. David De Gea - 19.7%
  2. Nick Pope - 24%
  3. Lukasz Fabianski - 29.2%
  4. Martin Dubravka - 29.7%
  5. Hugo Lloris - 29.7%
  6. Adrián - 29.9%
  7. Jack Butland - 30%
  8. Mathew Ryan - 30.5%
  9. Fraser Forster - 30.9%
  10. Loris Karius - 31.1%
  11. Thibaut Courtois - 31.5%
  12. Ederson - 31.7%
  13. Wayne Hennessey - 31.8%
  14. Robert Elliot - 32.3%
  15. Jordan Pickford - 32.6%
  16. Kasper Schmeichel - 33.8%
  17. Asmir Begovic - 35.5%
  18. Petr Cech - 35.8%
  19. Ben Foster - 35.9%
  20. Jonas Lössl - 36.5%
  21. Alex McCarthy - 38.2%
  22. Heurelho Gomes - 39.6%
  23. Simon Mignolet - 40.7%
  24. Orestis Karnezis - 42.9%
  25. Joe Hart - 42.9%

Summary:
Arsenal and United both face more shots on goal than any of the other top 6 teams. United however is 3rd highest on the time it takes to concede a goal, meaning that our keeper makes more saves. This is proven when we look at the third list and it shows us that De Gea is a god. He saves 10% more shots than the 2nd highest performing top 6 keeper (Lloris) and tops the premier league list by some distance. It also demonstrates that Petr Cech was part of the problem for Arsenal last season and also shows that when Karius and Ederson are eventually tested they are pretty average at saving shots.

It's worth pointing out that Karius got appointed first team keeper around the same time that van Dijk joined Liverpool. This is part of the reason why Karius' stats are better than Mignolets, although the latter is bloody awful at saving shots. Also shout out to Joe Hart for being utterly terrible last season.
 

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It is a bit irritating that a club like Liverpool can seemingly do a deal in a couple of days and we've got nothing on the radar. However I will reserve judgement until the end of the window, it's way easier for it to look like other clubs do deals swiftly as we aren't obsessively following their movements every day like we do with Utd's.
 

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We should really give Woodward and the Glazers some slack, given their recent record. I was as critical as anyone about their early stinginess, and they certainly got us into a massive mess, but at least they've tried to pull us out of it over recent years. Since 2014 we've signed Pogba, Sanchez, Falcao, Di Maria, Mykhitaryan, Lukaku and Schweinsteiger. That's roughly two mega-signings every year. What's it won us? Not much really.

I'd be happy for us to sign a couple more low-profile players. And even if we don't, it'll create opportunities for younger players. I don't watch much youth football but those who follow the junior sides are convinced Chong and Gomes are going to be amazing, so that's good enough for me. If we're forced to promote one or both of them, as was the case with Rashford two years ago, they could have a real galvanising effect on the whole club.
 

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It is a bit irritating that a club like Liverpool can seemingly do a deal in a couple of days and we've got nothing on the radar. However I will reserve judgement until the end of the window, it's way easier for it to look like other clubs do deals swiftly as we aren't obsessively following their movements every day like we do with Utd's.
They've been after a goalkeeper all summer with Alisson being their main target. It's dragged on for ages tbf. They were linked with a few keepers; Lunin, Strakosha and Alisson to name a few.
 

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We have a strategy?

I’ll be concerned if we don’t make any more signings.

Another one or two first team signings though and I’ll be very excited. Fine margins.
 

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Not the best use of stats there though. Karius for example played 1710mins in the PL compared to De Geas 3330mins. So obviously he's going to have made many more saves than Karius. A better use of those stats is to divide the players minutes by total saves. That way you get a 'shot every x mins' statistic. By doing that you get the below:

  1. Ederson - 39mins
  2. Loris Karius - 38mins
  3. Martin Dubravka - 29.2mins
  4. Thibaut Courtois - 29.2mins
  5. Simon Mignolet - 29mins
  6. Hugo Lloris - 27.5mins
  7. Alex McCarthy - 23.8mins
  8. David De Gea - 23.5mins
  9. Petr Cech - 22.7mins
  10. Orestis Karnezis - 22.5mins
  11. Robert Elliot - 22.2mins
  12. Ben Foster - 21.8mins
  13. Jonas Lössl - 21.5mins
  14. Kasper Schmeichel - 21.3mins
  15. Heurelho Gomes - 21.1mins
  16. Nick Pope - 21mins
  17. Asmir Begovic - 19.9mins
  18. Mathew Ryan - 19.3mins
  19. Jordan Pickford - 19.2mins
  20. Wayne Hennessey - 18.8mins
  21. Joe Hart - 18.8mins
  22. Fraser Forster - 18.6mins
  23. Lukasz Fabianski - 17.8mins
  24. Adrián - 17.6mins
  25. Jack Butland - 15.5mins

So you can see that De Gea faces more shots than most of the top 6 keepers (except Cech). It also demonstrates than Karius and Ederson faced significantly less shots per minute than the rest of the keepers in the league (so does confirm your initial point but not twice as many as you first said).

You can then check out how long it takes for each keeper to concede a goal.

  1. Ederson - 39mins
  2. Loris Karius - 38mins
  3. David De Gea - 23.5mins
  4. Martin Dubravka - 29.2mins
  5. Thibaut Courtois - 29.2mins
  6. Hugo Lloris - 27.5mins
  7. Nick Pope - 21mins
  8. Simon Mignolet - 29mins
  9. Robert Elliot - 22.2mins
  10. Petr Cech - 22.7mins
  11. Mathew Ryan - 19.3mins
  12. Kasper Schmeichel - 21.3mins
  13. Alex McCarthy - 23.8mins
  14. Lukasz Fabianski - 17.8mins
  15. Ben Foster - 21.8mins
  16. Fraser Forster - 18.6mins
  17. Wayne Hennessey - 18.8mins
  18. Jonas Lössl - 21.5mins
  19. Jordan Pickford - 19.2mins
  20. Adrián - 17.6mins
  21. Asmir Begovic - 19.9mins
  22. Heurelho Gomes - 21.1mins
  23. Orestis Karnezis - 22.5mins
  24. Jack Butland - 15.5mins
  25. Joe Hart - 18.8mins

Then you can also work out how many of the shots on goal are let in by the keeper.

  1. David De Gea - 19.7%
  2. Nick Pope - 24%
  3. Lukasz Fabianski - 29.2%
  4. Martin Dubravka - 29.7%
  5. Hugo Lloris - 29.7%
  6. Adrián - 29.9%
  7. Jack Butland - 30%
  8. Mathew Ryan - 30.5%
  9. Fraser Forster - 30.9%
  10. Loris Karius - 31.1%
  11. Thibaut Courtois - 31.5%
  12. Ederson - 31.7%
  13. Wayne Hennessey - 31.8%
  14. Robert Elliot - 32.3%
  15. Jordan Pickford - 32.6%
  16. Kasper Schmeichel - 33.8%
  17. Asmir Begovic - 35.5%
  18. Petr Cech - 35.8%
  19. Ben Foster - 35.9%
  20. Jonas Lössl - 36.5%
  21. Alex McCarthy - 38.2%
  22. Heurelho Gomes - 39.6%
  23. Simon Mignolet - 40.7%
  24. Orestis Karnezis - 42.9%
  25. Joe Hart - 42.9%

Summary:
Arsenal and United both face more shots on goal than any of the other top 6 teams. United however is 3rd highest on the time it takes to concede a goal, meaning that our keeper makes more saves. This is proven when we look at the third list and it shows us that De Gea is a god. He saves 10% more shots than the 2nd highest performing top 6 keeper (Lloris) and tops the premier league list by some distance. It also demonstrates that Petr Cech was part of the problem for Arsenal last season and also shows that when Karius and Ederson are eventually tested they are pretty average at saving shots.

It's worth pointing out that Karius got appointed first team keeper around the same time that van Dijk joined Liverpool. This is part of the reason why Karius' stats are better than Mignolets, although the latter is bloody awful at saving shots. Also shout out to Joe Hart for being utterly terrible last season.
How many times have you posted those stats now? :lol:
 

Gandalf Greyhame

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Not a whiff of a transfer from anywhere. This is highly unusual. I refuse to believe that Woodward isn't trying to sign someone, but either he's failing poorly at it or succeeding very well.
 

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We’re now briefing the press that we’re refusing to panic whilst simultaneously planting nonsense leaks about Lewandowski and Thiago, with Mourinho openly stating that he’s worried. I’m not sure we even have viable back ups to Alderweireld and Bale.
One article in the fecking MEN and another written by a bullshit merchant in the Independent is hardly briefing the press. :lol:
 

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United have had the best or second best defensive record in the league for 3 seasons in a row. De Gea has been brilliant and we have had at times quite a defensive system, but surely the defense should get some credit?!
Yeah fair points. The system and de Gea were the reasons why we conceded so few. But, our defense isn't as poor as many suggest. Just so we're clear, I would say we could do with a new LB, LCB and first choice RB (3 out of our 4 defensive line).
Don't want to be negative and repeat what others said here, but yes it is. Our defence is the main reason why we play negative football in big games. When we try to play open attacking football, you can see how poor they are.
 
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