Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now.
Are there any positives? Plenty...
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
As a spokesperson for the Marouane Fellaini appreciation society that's my job
Weird society, altogether.As a spokesperson for the Marouane Fellaini appreciation society that's my job
It is isn't it.
In the interest of clarity :-
Martial started 26 games scored 11 goals, 11 assists
Sanchez started 18 games scored 2 goals, 4 assists
By my reckoning you like Sanchez because you think he runs a lot..because last season he ran in treacle and produced next to nothing. Martial was more productive by far, but to you he didn't run enough, ergo in your head was not productive.
I genuinely think we're only a couple of players away from being a force to be reckoned with in Europe and in England.
I agree with JMack, we're really not far away from being very competitive at the highest levels. We are a close second to City against other top teams in the EPL. I think we're in the conversation for unseating City and most likely a top 3 finisher again this season. Dozens of things can go for or against us to move us from 1st to 3rd. Example, Kevin DeBrune injury would certainly damage City's season. Healthy squad for us would certainly vault us into competition for 1st....
I think it's very fair to say that we're a half step behind City atm but we're close.
I think it's very fair to say that we're a half step behind City atm but we're close.
I think we are tactically behind as well. A couple of new players won't magically make us look less disjointed in attack.
But just for discussions sake, let us say we are only a few players away from challenging, where do we go from there? We need an absolute top RW, top fullbacks and one top CB - where do we find these guys? I can't see any available candidates, and we're not linked to anyone either. We will not challenge City, and perhaps next season even Liverpool, with our current set of FB's, CB's and lack of RW, and the same certainly goes for Europe.
But just for discussions sake, let us say we are only a few players away from challenging, where do we go from there? We need an absolute top RW, top fullbacks and one top CB - where do we find these guys? I can't see any available candidates, and we're not linked to anyone either. We will not challenge City, and perhaps next season even Liverpool, with our current set of FB's, CB's and lack of RW, and the same certainly goes for Europe.
How has liverpool magically jumped past us. They are still a side that's not deep and not good at all at defending, additionally their style is all out attack which leaves them further open and they'll drop those random points against teams that find a way through that gaping back door. Oh, now is the time where we talk about their savior goalie.
I understand there are positions that we could improve BUT as you say Swansons, there's not always a world class player easily bought to plug and play... BUT the rest of the world have deficiencies as well. No team save maybe Barc and Madrid are quality throughout the team. Maybe include Bayern as well. But we're at least close and have players in the squad that were bought or brought up through the program that have that promise and have shown top level potential.
We were way off City in a year where everything went right for them. I prefer to look on the optimistic side of things. Additionally, we always have a war chest to spend IF someone is available and Woodward has shown willingness to acquire. So the glass is half full for me.
I understand there are positions that we could improve BUT as you say Swansons, there's not always a world class player easily bought to plug and play... BUT the rest of the world have deficiencies as well. No team save maybe Barc and Madrid are quality throughout the team. Maybe include Bayern as well. But we're at least close and have players in the squad that were bought or brought up through the program that have that promise and have shown top level potential.
We were way off City in a year where everything went right for them. I prefer to look on the optimistic side of things. Additionally, we always have a war chest to spend IF someone is available and Woodward has shown willingness to acquire. So the glass is half full for me.
Are they positives? Yes
Are they negatives which people are worried about? Yeah.
I think the only sane thing to do is cautious optimism.
I think it will be his last season here.
But honestly don't think there's any other available manager who would supposedly fix us.
We have seen that chopping and changing managers doesn't necessarily work.
tbh that's still pathetic physique for a professional footballer, I look like that with little exercise
That makes no sense. City have gone through plenty of managers and they're doing fine. It's not like any of the best teams in Europe have a long term manager, apart from atletico. Our problem isn't changing managers, it's changing one dull negative manager for another.
But surely you've got to keep trying to find the right fit until it works, no matter how many managers you get through.
Este. I fear a calamitous season ruining parting will splinter this season.
That's we did after Sir Matt
I'm not saying Jose hasn't had problems but I'm saying that there is no magic cure.
@AndyJ1985 mentions City but that just reinforces my point. Our club is one structured towards one central figure, the manager unlike Chelsea and City .
City for example had different managers before Pep but it was an open secret that they were building a team for him. We don't have that sort of continuity. Van Gaal came here, sold the lot and replaced them with even bigger duds. I just think a lot of people are in for a rude awakening even when Jose leaves.
Show us your pics. Shaw clearly has a body type that carries more fat in certain areas. You can tell because his abs are visible but his chest doesn't have matching definition
I agree with you @SwansonsTache . We certainly need that magician on the RW as well as proper full backs, or we will not be challenging for honours this season.
I don't know, I think most people will be realistic, but we'll need to see the entertaining style we all want trying to be implemented, plus Jose for all his faults will leave the squad in a far better place than it has been for a while, so there should be no need to rip it up all over again.
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The main positive for me is that surely the football can’t possibly be as boring as it was last season.
I sincerely believe that the club needs to get away from the manager-oriented leadership that we have been applying historically. It disrupts the continuity and the performance of the players way too much to change managers the way we have been doing after SAF; if the manager has total control over playing style and transfers at least. It worked under SAF, because he was who he was. That type of governance over the sporting side of the club is and should be a thing of the past.
The next important thing for this club is IMO to get in a DOF and try to establish a clear "philosophy" (yeah, I know) of how United should play in the future. And then appoint manager(s) on basis of that. Managers come and go today; but it doesnt have to mean that the whole clubs progress is disrupted if one has a set idea how we should try to play and progress. In my mind it should be an offensive approach. High press. Focus on possession and playing through the lines. High back four. Daring to commit players in front of the ball instead of being so fecking afraid of counterattacking all the time.
We need a hierarchial change where the continuity is set on a level above the manager/coach. I hate to refer to City but they have done it the right way. They will be OK even when Pep eventually leaves. Tragically enough.
I never wanted Mourinho and I want him gone long-term. It would be footballing harakiri to get rid of him now though, or even next summer since this squad is so built upon the foundations of the football Mourinho plays. So that transition must be well thought through when it does happen.
Hopefully the club is already thinking in these terms and looking at both potential DOFs and managers that can take United forward. Not holding my breath though.
When you think about how big the club is financially and with the fanbase it has to keep the money rolling in, its a travesty we havent got the best players and aint favourites to win the league every year. It shows how immense we were from mid 90s to late 00s and even after slow decline still were the top dogs until Fergie left. How we have dropped off a cliff after that and still seem way off the peak 5 years later is a farce. Sadly we have to look at how City have moved forward and it seems they change managers and still challenge for the top where we had an half assed attempt last season. I was expecting big things in the transfer market, but we havent bought (upto now) one player who will play and make a difference. Im not convinced Mou will abandon his 4-2-3-1 and Fred wont play every game.
Agree. Think we have to ride this one out and see who's available then. Hopefully he'll be able to get more out of the team than he has up till now.
We're fighting for the title this season, regardless of all this doom and gloom on here.
I hope so, dear
You bunch of miserable cnuts. Feck off.
Your tagline suits you
He's clearly trying his best, so he needs to be cut some slack, if he's given the chance then I'm a firm believer that he can still make it here.
I second this.
So does yours, boring and bland
Best goal keeper in the world 
Didn't take long to forget LVGs style of play? That was far worse.
I wouldn't call it pathetic but it's not some impressive turnaround and unlike @Greck I believe you, similar for me (and while I write that I am eating fast food). Think this physique is pretty common and achievable with minimal effort. But the photo is pretty grainy and doesn't give a great indication either.
There was once a proper example of a player's (David Ginola) fitness being doubted (by then Aston Villa manager John Gregory) and he proceeded to take off his shirt after scoring a belter to show there was nothing to complain about. If he'd have Shaw's physique it probably wouldn't have been a good idea.
It's not two months since the general consensus was to get rid of six or seven of the squad, has anyone left yet.
Some of you spend too much time looking at dudes with their shirts off. Could care less if Shaw had man boobs as long as he performs on the pitch. This isn’t WWE or bodybuilding ffs.
There’s @TheReligion I know. The positive op was throwing me off there.