Future Manager Speculation

[the chameleon]

And that's why I want it - I don't care about our manager's instant ability to win the CL - I just know they will do a good jobs leading to progression of the club as well as the progression of them as a manager. Half the people here are mentioning Italian managers that haven't won a single thing in their own league or country. I reckon we get one of our own blood - the fans will get behind him and allow them to not feel the pressures that Moyes, LVG, Jose felt to being up to United's various 'standards' which is a gorgeous yet complicated thing to be.

Pep bought a style of play to his side that I still see until today and the players went up a gear because of him, he built the team for messi not the other way. He got rid of players like Ronaldinho and moved away from individualism to build a style of football that he envisioned Barcelona playing - something that a short term manager on a 2 year contract isn't going to do. Anyway I cba talking about him.
Zidane's bought some ruthlessness to the Madrid side - utilising players like ronaldo will get you far but the efficiency of utilising the likes of Casemiro like the use of makalele, the squad balance i have seen with him using some younger players and the competitive nature of that squad with players like ascensio, isco and bale fighting for one spot allowing Zidane to make game changing decisions almost through one position alone. 3 CL's in a row.

Lucky or not to have just a good bunch of players - them having played for their clubs can surely only be seen as you or me getting a promotion within our offices? Anyway; lets see how Niko Kovac does - who is also a midfielder if he does good then I'l wonder why we didnt go with out initial plan which was Giggs after LVG after spending a good 2 years doing that anyway. Carrick or Butt too

That won't happen! Fans will only get behind them for a certain amount of time. If they don't deliver results, believe me they will feel the pressure. EVERY person who steps in that hot seat will feel the pressure. It took 15/16 years before we found a true replacement for Sir Matt Busby.

Trust me, there would be no one more happy to have a home bred manager than me. I love the romanticism of United and our history. That feeling doing going against the odds and building something when it's least expected.

However, in 2018, with City's transfer budget, 3/4 other other clubs competing, we need to be more realistic. I'm not keen on some established "name", but someone who's got momentum in their career and is ready to take their management to the next level. The more I think about, the more I think Poch + director of football might be the dream recipe.

But let's see how Giggs does as Wales manager, how he plays his sides. Also, let's see how these younger managers do. Maybe there are younger contenders.

 

[covlee junior]

I am in the point where I want wenger to manage this team compared to Mou

zidane get full respect and manage madrid dressing room when Mou, a selfish prick just want to show off his power to player to complete his ego.

 

[RedPed]

I am in the point where I want wenger to manage this team compared to Mou

zidane get full respect and manage madrid dressing room when Mou, a selfish prick just want to show off his power to player to complete his ego.

Behave!

 

[Moiraine]

I am in the point where I want wenger to manage this team compared to Mou

zidane get full respect and manage madrid dressing room when Mou, a selfish prick just want to show off his power to player to complete his ego.

I am starting to think the same as well.

 

[Lawman]

I am starting to think the same as well.

Then maybe it’s a virus as this is just madness.

 

[SirMattBugsby]

We should wait and see how guys like McKenna, Giggs, Butt and Carrick develop. They have the advantage of knowing the club's expectations and, as Zidane has shown, might get the backing of players more than another promising or even top manager from another club or league. Sometimes, social competence trumps tactics.

Meanwhile, I'm okay with Mourinho staying for the next two seasons even though his football is cynical and hopeless at times. Whatever the style, changing managers now will mean another two years of transition, squad rebuilding and upheaval. If anything, he'll leave a strong squad not filled with pointless players.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

We should wait and see how guys like McKenna, Giggs, Butt and Carrick develop. They have the advantage of knowing the club's expectations and, as Zidane has shown, might get the backing of players more than another promising or even top manager from another club or league. Sometimes, social competence trumps tactics.

Meanwhile, I'm okay with Mourinho staying for the next two seasons even though his football is cynical and hopeless at times. Whatever the style, changing managers now will mean another two years of transition, squad rebuilding and upheaval. If anything, he'll leave a strong squad not filled with pointless players.

What do you think will be the status of the squad with two more years under Mourinho? More likely that we would need to change large parts of the squad due to age and decline. Better to higher a DoF that can create a "red thread" in how we invest/plan so that the manager changes will not be so dramatical/tumultuous.

 

[JPRouve]

The fact that Aurier stayed at the club after that.
Mancini-esque

It has no impact on his managerial career and PSG have a head coach, not a manager. The head coach doesn't have the power to sell a player, Aurier staying had little to do with Blanc.

 

[Sb_16]

Knowing us (Woodward), it'll probably be another big name with long list of past achievements. Names like Ancelotti, Allegri, Simeone. Its a vicious cycle. We really need someone visionary or revolutionary to sort out of our football.

In short-term, winning ugly is ok. It adds to the list. But it rarely builds attachment and emotional bond between the supporters and the players/club. It'll be hard attracting new generation of supporters, so the club loses out in the long run.

Football is as much about anticipation, excitement, highs and lows, skills, moments of magic as it is about winning. A club of our stature and resources should not compromise on them.

 

[In Rainbows]

We should wait and see how guys like McKenna, Giggs, Butt and Carrick develop. They have the advantage of knowing the club's expectations and, as Zidane has shown, might get the backing of players more than another promising or even top manager from another club or league. Sometimes, social competence trumps tactics.

Meanwhile, I'm okay with Mourinho staying for the next two seasons even though his football is cynical and hopeless at times. Whatever the style, changing managers now will mean another two years of transition, squad rebuilding and upheaval. If anything, he'll leave a strong squad not filled with pointless players.

Out of those I would only consider McKenna. The few times Butt has been in charge of a youth tournament he has left me disappointed in him. The others have no experience for you to have faith in them. Zidane and Pep didn't just get hired because they were former players. They had worked with the youth teams.

It's all well good and all for Carrick, Giggs, and Scholes to parrot the phrase, "attacking football," but what exactly does that mean for those managers? How do they see attacking football and what is their implementation?


I want a progressive manager so no Allegri or Simeone for me.

 

[walkinhop]

Give it to

 

[simplyared]

How anybody can have Giggs as a future utd manager is far beyond me. Great footballer but management material at top level: never!

 

[Thoth]

How anybody can have Giggs as a future utd manager is far beyond me. Great footballer but management material at top level: never!

Bit early to rule him out before he has even started. You never know

 

[sunama]

I am in the point where I want wenger to manage this team compared to Mou

zidane get full respect and manage madrid dressing room when Mou, a selfish prick just want to show off his power to player to complete his ego.

...............................Jose.................. .......................Wenger
Last Season: Europa League + League Cup ..................FA Cup
This Season: EPL, 2nd Place + FA Cup Runners Up...........EPL, 6th Place + League Cup Runners Up

Jose has comprehensively beaten Wenger during the last 2 seasons.
Nobody in their right minds would suggest that Wenger has performed better than Jose.

....unless of course, you are a member of the RedCafe.

It stuns me that people who claim to be MUFC fans want Wenger over Jose.
My belief is that there are MCFC and LFC fans creating accounts on here, to create trouble. Logically, there can be no other explanation.

 

[Murray3007]

How anybody can have Giggs as a future utd manager is far beyond me. Great footballer but management material at top level: never!

Sure many thought that about Zidane, Pep and Simeone as well. not sure he could have done as bad a job as Moyes and LVG if honest.

 

[wolvored]

Sure many thought that about Zidane, Pep and Simeone as well. not sure he could have done as bad a job as Moyes and LVG if honest.

Theres a clip of him doing a team talk, think it might have been before Southampton. Didnt inspire anyone at all. Lets see how he does with Wales.

 

[wolvored]

If we are talking local as in someone who supported and worked at the club, doesnt matter how long, then McKenna has a great opportunity to learn the role. He got Spurs Youth playing to an excellent standard. He won the league scoring an average of 3 goals with our U18s. Its a long shot at the moment I know, but will be interesting to see how he can develop the first team, without him buying/picking the players.

 

[Nikelesh Reddy]

Your argument is sound. 1 DMF and 1 box2box MF. Since we have been struggling in this area, I say no kids, only seasoned players. I believe Willian can play central MF, so no need to tie in with Martial outcome, take him as the CMF. On RB we can consider recalling TFM, since we have 2 may be 3 defenders who can play on the right.

I wouldn't mind integrating Fosu Mensah into the squad.He had a good season at Palace and he's a player who can play in multiple positions,so if he starts next season as our 2nd choice RB,I wouldn't be perturbed at all...

 

[Moiraine]

 

[LawCharltonBest]

It won't be Zidane. He seems suited to the France job. He can try to win the Euros in two years with Pogba and Griezmann in their primes and a 22(?) year old Mbappe .

It's hard to genuinely say who will be the next United manager, probably someone not yet on anyone's radar. Like Sarri a year ago.

 

[flappyjay]

Knowing us we are probably gonna go for whomever is available. Someone like Allegri if his available when we decide to ditch mourinho.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

I am in the point where I want wenger to manage this team compared to Mou

zidane get full respect and manage madrid ssdressing room when Mou, a selfish prick just want to show off his power to player to complete his ego.

Behave one of the worst posts in the whole thread.

 

[Igor Drefljak]

Trophies or no trophies, I'd have taken Poch, but with him signing a deal I really have no idea.
I can't be arsed with a big name for the sake of stuff he's won in the past.

I just want to see some good football. This isn't a dig at Mourinho, he got us second....great, but I don't think he overachieved doing that, he did what was expected really.

Our best players are the ones in attacking positions, but we are just set up all wrong for them, so I want somebody who will play to our strengths, so that instantly removes Simeone for me.

Who else is out there?
I'm uneasy on Zidane, sure he won the CL, but his league form hasn't been anything special, and he has the squad that should be challenging.
Is Allegri attacking?, I think Eddie Howe deserves a bigger job, but still to early for our club. Sarri, Jardim Fonseca etc. I hear their names, but I honestly haven't paid attention to football outside of England these days, so I have no idea what to expect from them.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Trophies or no trophies, I'd have taken Poch, but with him signing a deal I really have no idea.
I can't be arsed with a big name for the sake of stuff he's won in the past.

I just want to see some good football. This isn't a dig at Mourinho, he got us second....great, but I don't think he overachieved doing that, he did what was expected really.

Our best players are the ones in attacking positions, but we are just set up all wrong for them, so I want somebody who will play to our strengths, so that instantly removes Simeone for me.

Who else is out there?
I'm uneasy on Zidane, sure he won the CL, but his league form hasn't been anything special, and he has the squad that should be challenging.
Is Allegri attacking?, I think Eddie Howe deserves a bigger job, but still to early for our club. Sarri, Jardim Fonseca etc. I hear their names, but I honestly haven't paid attention to football outside of England these days, so I have no idea what to expect from them.

Means nothing. He likes English football, and one more season of Spurs not winning anything and Utd playing the brand of football we've witnessed and he'll be a contender here.

 

[B20]

Continuity is important, so you don't end up having to rip it all up with the next guy.

So someone like Allardyce or Pulis.

 

[Bearded One]

If you must play entertaining football then you must win else the so called brand of football would amount to nothing. I like Poch but he needs to push his team to begin to win trophies and upset bigger opposition in league title races or important CL concluding stages else he wouldn't be in the conversation of top coaches.

Klopp on the other hand has shown this tendency somewhat but will need to do more still. I honestly do believe he can push for the title this term with the way they are going about their business in the market today.

Managers earn the license, as it were, to manage at the highest levels but you simply cannot gift them the 'world class' tag until they have actually earned it by virtue of their success in competitions. It's a different ball game at the top. Here you are managing worldclass players with big egos. Nothing like an underdog pushing for a decent position on the league table if you ask me.
People question the validity of the world class tag often given to Zizou but quickly forget there was a Rafa Benitez who got the club in sinking mode with about the same set of players.

To be clear I believe that the conversation on world class managers is basically a discussion about managers of top clubs in the world because you will hardly ever see a manager that will take a West Ham for example to the Champions league quarter or semi finals four years in a row or finish within top 4 four years in a row whIlst winning the league once. Some managers are more lucky than others in finding their way to top clubs in Europe but usually the ones that aren't competent enough get found out as not belonging to that level soon enough even though they win the odd trophy here and there whilst at those top clubs. History has it that soon enough their true level shows and they usually don't last long at these top clubs.

I am content to have Jose on board for now particularly because he is restoring that winning mentality to the club. I believe if given the resources required he can still compete at the highest level.

 

[Sky1981]

Knowing us (Woodward), it'll probably be another big name with long list of past achievements. Names like Ancelotti, Allegri, Simeone. Its a vicious cycle. We really need someone visionary or revolutionary to sort out of our football.

In short-term, winning ugly is ok. It adds to the list. But it rarely builds attachment and emotional bond between the supporters and the players/club. It'll be hard attracting new generation of supporters, so the club loses out in the long run.

Football is as much about anticipation, excitement, highs and lows, skills, moments of magic as it is about winning. A club of our stature and resources should not compromise on them.

What has the revolutionary coaching brought them?

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Continuity is important, so you don't end up having to rip it all up with the next guy.

So someone like Allardyce or Pulis.

Neither Allardyce or Pulis are known for winning silverware so I would say they're more suited to you guys. Keeping the continuity of not winning trophies is important.

 

[Marcky411]

Please please please Zidane as soon as possible, before that fool Jose wastes money on aging player who are in for a last big pay day.

 

[redmanx]

I don’t know what we should do. If we change the manager now then it’s another few years of transition. Jose’s plan may get us playing at our best next year.

However, is next season the obvious Jose Mourinho collapse? If it is shall we just cut our losses now rather wait for the inevitable end?

I’d go for Pochettino. Think he’d do well with the step up and funds. Someone of that ilk is important, an up and coming manager with new ideas. I don’t know too much of Sarri and Jardim but from what people say they sound good too. Maybe an Allegri/ Ancelotti though would be nice for some instant success.

Inevitable end? Do you mean Trump and Rocket Man blowing us all to kingdom come? A meteor crashing into the planet? Yellowstone caldera erupting? I prefer to hope that the board of directors are too busy running the club, chasing down transfers, etc etc than wondering about who the next manager might be, and that Mourinho himself is fully prepared to lead us in hot pursuit of honours this coming season other than getting ready to implode!

 

[redmanx]

I just want a United man, someone who isn't "tainted" with experience of managing other top clubs. Hopefully the board can identify someone from the rung below, ready to make the step up.

Mourinho will always be a Chelsea guy in my mind.

Kane would be great but the others would be effectively castrated by Mourinho's siege mentality, park the bus system.

A certain Didier Drogba at Chelsea wasn't exactly struggling for goals under Mourinho; mind you, Drogba was a far better player than Kane.

 

[redmanx]

Start to talk to Zidane now. Get the set up right for him when he gets the boot from RM.

And Mourinho, rightly, gets miffed and walks out as the new season starts; brilliant idea, I don't think.

 

[Mainoldo]

The writing seems to be on the wall for the ''Happy one'' however if he was to go, start of the season or mid season who is there that could pick up this squad up and take it on a level.

Looking round the pool of managers available is quite shot and I don't expect us to get anyone who's currently at a well established club like Pochettino during the season. Basically Mourinho is here for the rest of the season but because our board are a bit slow it's not impossible that we part ways during the season therefore I wondered who you guys think would be attainable and who would do a good job.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

I don’t think it’s even worth speculating at the moment.
A few months down the line and we’ve signed a couple of players and the team has had a good start to the season, all will be sunshine and light for a while.
Pochettino isn’t all that. He has a fantastic set of players when you look at it, but what has he actually won? Nothing. They’ve also had their fair share of bad performances and disappointments.
If it did all fall apart, it needs a VERY strong character to take over at this point and I can’t see anyone being available.

 

[RedNed77]

Nobody I’d be entirely confident in, which is the main reason Jose retains any kind of support from myself. We need to stick with him, see how it goes and try to refrain from slagging him off and creating a toxic atmosphere in here and around the club at large. The caf is depressing at the moment. We need a muppety saga with a happy ending to lift the mood.

 

[thegregster]

We only get managers who are out of contract. So that will be the choice next summer if Jose leaves.

 

[GBBQ]

I thought Zidane might be an option but his move as DOF to Juventus maybe suggests he doesn't want to be a manager.

As @RedNed77 says, there's no one who would guarantee an improvement on what Jose has delivered so far. Would much prefer that we get a couple of players Jose wants and then go hell for leather for the league.

 

[Camilo]

He looks like he needs a proper break from football to get some perspective and cheer up! He's being paid millions to manage Manchester fecking United - it's a good life!! And obviously he's one of the best when he's at his best... And we'd all love him to rediscover that energy.. But if he were to leave? I think bringing in the right energy is just as important as the right CV. I think Zidane would be a fascinating appointment.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

We only get managers who are out of contract. So that will be the choice next summer if Jose leaves.

I have no doubt that we would pay compensation for a manager if they were the right one to go for. We have signed the last three managers who were out of contract, but that will have zero bearing on who comes in after Jose.

 

[RedNed77]

What I would say though, is when Jose does leave, which he will eventually as he’s not immortal, appointing a manager who will get us playing good enjoyable football is higher up on my priority list than it would have been in the past. Take care of the style first then work towards making that a winning formula, rather than the other way around. I want to enjoy watching football again.