Future Manager Speculation

[Cloud7]

Nobody I’d be entirely confident in, which is the main reason Jose retains any kind of support from myself. We need to stick with him, see how it goes and try to refrain from slagging him off and creating a toxic atmosphere in here and around the club at large. The caf is depressing at the moment. We need a muppety saga with a happy ending to lift the mood.

You don’t hold on to manager just because you aren’t sure who might be available. Football isn’t a sphere where there are only two good managers.

When Chelsea sacked Mourinho both times they didn’t worry about who was available, nor did Madrid when they sacked Mourinho or Ancelloti, same with Barcelona and their regular sackings of managers. Bayern got rid of Ancelloti who’s “won it all” and instead went the route of hiring a relatively unproven manager.

If it’s not working it’s not working. This boils down to people wanting a manager who’s “won it all” as the only person managing the club, which if you apply that criteria right now you end up with José, Pep, Ancelloti and Enrique.

History of trophies won can’t be all that you look at. How much you’re actually able to get out of your existing players(which for example is one of the first things Sarri talked about af Chelsea), style of play etc are just as significant to take into account.

 

[sal klita]

McKenna/Butt as interim. Making all efforts to appoint Poch next season.

I don’t think it’s even worth speculating at the moment.
A few months down the line and we’ve signed a couple of players and the team has had a good start to the season, all will be sunshine and light for a while.
Pochettino isn’t all that. He has a fantastic set of players when you look at it, but what has he actually won? Nothing. They’ve also had their fair share of bad performances and disappointments.
If it did all fall apart, it needs a VERY strong character to take over at this point and I can’t see anyone being available.

What Sarri actually won? What Conte actually won when Juventus appointed him (and it was before their titles streak)?
Stop appoint managers only because wikipedia.
Look on philosophy, work with players, kind of team play. Poch exactly what the club need today.

 

[RedNed77]

You don’t hold on to manager just because you aren’t sure who might be available. Football isn’t a sphere where there are only two good managers.

When Chelsea sacked Mourinho both times they didn’t worry about who was available, nor did Madrid when they sacked Mourinho or Ancelloti, same with Barcelona and their regular sackings of managers. Bayern got rid of Ancelloti who’s “won it all” and instead went the route of hiring a relatively unproven manager.

If it’s not working it’s not working. This boils down to people wanting a manager who’s “won it all” as the only person managing the club, which if you apply that criteria right now you end up with José, Pep, Ancelloti and Enrique.

History of trophies won can’t be all that you look at. How much you’re actually able to get out of your existing players(which for example is one of the first things Sarri talked about af Chelsea), style of play etc are just as significant to take into account.

True, but when Chelsea and Madrid fired him there were some very obvious candidates to replace him who actually did. Can you name any at the moment? Most of the managers with anything about them have either recently moved or are at clubs they won’t leave for us. Maybe I just suffer with a lack of imagination though?

 

[jmaggio]

Nobody I’d be entirely confident in, which is the main reason Jose retains any kind of support from myself. We need to stick with him, see how it goes and try to refrain from slagging him off and creating a toxic atmosphere in here and around the club at large. The caf is depressing at the moment. We need a muppety saga with a happy ending to lift the mood.

I agree with this. When I first started lurking in the CAF back in 09-12 there was so much more humour knocking about than there is today. Since I’ve started posting I’ve realised it’s mostly ego point scoring and page after page of people not accepting other people disagreeing with them.

 

[VeevaVee]

I can't envisage him being here next season. Just feels like it's coming to an end with him to me. Improved but another 3 years with a lack of vision and motivation. I wanted him to build a legacy here but that requires both those things and it doesn't seem like he has it in him any more. I could be wrong of course and hope I am. We might buy 2 or 3 players somehow before this window is up, and they're the catalyst of our new football that wins us the league, with Jose staying for 10 more years.

I know which seems more likely at the moment though.

 

[Ødegaard]

Nobody I’d be entirely confident in, which is the main reason Jose retains any kind of support from myself. We need to stick with him, see how it goes and try to refrain from slagging him off and creating a toxic atmosphere in here and around the club at large. The caf is depressing at the moment. We need a muppety saga with a happy ending to lift the mood.

The caf members deserves a full on meltdown. Keep Jose until they find another club to support.

 

[Gambit]

I don't see him leaving at all and I can't believe the Mountains being made out of this preseason mole hill. That being said though, there's no one else out there I think I want or would be available. I reckon it's time we got off this merry go round and started promoting from within with coaches brought through in the style. Give it to Mckenna.

 

[paulscholes18]

I thought Zidane might be an option but his move as DOF to Juventus maybe suggests he doesn't want to be a manager.

As @RedNed77 says, there's no one who would guarantee an improvement on what Jose has delivered so far. Would much prefer that we get a couple of players Jose wants and then go hell for leather for the league.

Has he? Can’t find anything about that

 

[Canagel]

The writing seems to be on the wall for the ''Happy one'' however if he was to go, start of the season or mid season who is there that could pick up this squad up and take it on a level.

Looking round the pool of managers available is quite shot and I don't expect us to get anyone who's currently at a well established club like Pochettino during the season. Basically Mourinho is here for the rest of the season but because our board are a bit slow it's not impossible that we part ways during the season therefore I wondered who you guys think would be attainable and who would do a good job.

Wenger as interim manager until the end of the season? Could you imagine...? . But seriously if something does happen in the middle of the season it means we've had a shocking start to the season with probably no chance/little chance of making the top 4 which nobody here wants. The club are always slow to react .they didn't sack LVG in December 2015. Didn't sack Moyes until he was out of top 4. Even if we're having a terrible season they won't do anything unless it's a Chelsea 2015/16 style meltdown.

 

[sunama]

If Jose can't win us the league, then there simply isn't anybody else and I think you'd have to blame the board.
You cannot keep firing managers and hitting reset button every 2 years, expecting a different result.
We have a hired a serial winner and he has told the board what he needs, to win the league. Now, it's up to the board to deliver on what Jose wants....or accept that we won't win the league.

The problem with this forum is that they always want a new shiny toy. Right now, it's Zidane. If he were hired, 2 years later, those people who wanted ZZ, would want him fired, just so they could see the next shiny new toy.

 

[RedEM10]

This is the first time I'll say it but I just can't be arsed with him anymore. Hes a crying cnut and just brings negativity to the club. I'm not one to beg for pretty football and all that, I just like to win but it might be nice to feel the enjoyment of watching us again. I wont say Mourinho out or anything but feck me hes getting on my nerves. He has had this squad for what now? 3 years? He has had plenty of time to manage how he wishes so only himself to blame if he cant make a good run at the league this year

 

[Pav1878]

I agree with this. When I first started lurking in the CAF back in 09-12 there was so much more humour knocking about than there is today. Since I’ve started posting I’ve realised it’s mostly ego point scoring and page after page of people not accepting other people disagreeing with them.

Oh man you are so right! Great post! It's become insufferable. We so need a good season to help bring back the positivity

 

[K2K]

I really don't expect much with or without Mourinho.

If he does leave, I would give the next manager at least 3 years to win the title. What I hope we put in is a DOF. We need better structure at the club.

 

[M16Red]

I don't see him leaving at all and I can't believe the Mountains being made out of this preseason mole hill. That being said though, there's no one else out there I think I want or would be available. I reckon it's time we got off this merry go round and started promoting from within with coaches brought through in the style. Give it to Mckenna.

He just doesn't look happy and he sucks all the fun out of being a utd supporter for me, the guy's still in that hotel and his family is in London.

Meanwhile the other side of the coin, pep has just opened a restaurant in Manchester and seems happy with life, hell even Klopp is happy and he's in Liverpool.

Its like he thinks his doing utd a favour by managing us! You might work with someone who is always moaning about something, now imagine that's you leader or boss.

thanks for building a good team, now time to let someone drive it. #JOSEOUT

 

[Castia]

If Jose can't win us the league, then there simply isn't anybody else and I think you'd have to blame the board.
You cannot keep firing managers and hitting reset button every 2 years, expecting a different result.
We have a hired a serial winner and he has told the board what he needs, to win the league. Now, it's up to the board to deliver on what Jose wants....or accept that we won't win the league.

The problem with this forum is that they always want a new shiny toy. Right now, it's Zidane. If he were hired, 2 years later, those people who wanted ZZ, would want him fired, just so they could see the next shiny new toy.

How is the board to blame? They’ve backed him with over £350m in 2 years and to be honest they’re probably asking where all that money went it’s been spunked on mediocre players.

That’s why after signing Lindelof and Bailly for a combined £70m we still need to go out and spend another load of money because the players aren’t good enough.

 

[simplyared]

Obviously a very tough call, but if the board had taken it's responsibility he should have gone after we lost the FA cup. The pre season signs aren't looking good and the meltdown lurking in the background. Can't see him lasting the season so the OP certainly justified.
Zidane the obvious candidate to take over!

 

[Andy_Cole]

Let’s get Zidane in.

 

[El General 1994]

I know it's early for these type of threads, but it is a forum after all.

Zidane v Poch for me.

 

[GledTheRed]

It's Zidane's floor

 

[Kapardin]

What if Jose moans his way to a league title this season?

 

[Adam-Utd]

Pochettino is the stand out candidate IMO.

If he's not available then somebody modern/positive is a must, fed up of old grumpy coaches.

I think our whole background needs sorting out though too, we need a director of football also, and a proper trainer/coach rather than just a manager.

Jose's just a broken man these days, it's sad to see.

 

[Adam-Utd]

What if Jose moans his way to a league title this season?

If he wins this season i'll get I love Jose tattoed on my arse. I have zero faith in him anymore.

 

[jmaggio]

Oh man you are so right! Great post! It's become insufferable. We so need a good season to help bring back the positivity

Thanks bro ! I think it’s especially difficult for us new posters and people view us as easy targets to jump on

 

[simplyared]

Going on the reaction to this thread seems like more Caf members are realizing the situation the club has put itself in.

 

[blue blue]

True, but when Chelsea and Madrid fired him there were some very obvious candidates to replace him who actually did. Can you name any at the moment? Most of the managers with anything about them have either recently moved or are at clubs they won’t leave for us. Maybe I just suffer with a lack of imagination though?

Chelsea fired and thought later on both occasions. The first time Avram Grant came in and did a temporary job until Scolari came in and the second time Steve Holland and Gus Huddink came in and did a temporary job until Conte arrived.

I still think the thread is getting ahead of events. Jose is still there and he's having a moan. What's new? He has always complained. I remember he used to complain about the league fixtures he used to get before and after CL games. He's always complained about international tournaments nicking his players. That's what he does.

The media has cranked up it's 3rd season meltdown narrative and the fans are worried about a dodgy preseason result. Liverpool had more 1st team players available and it's pre-season. If Utd get a couple more players it will be different story.

He may go but I've seen no footballing reasons to suggest the writings on the wall.

 

[RedSky]

We should go for Leonardo Jardim imo if Jose was to leave.

• Champions League Experience
• Promotes Youth
• Attacking, exciting football
• Monaco would compromise
• Very good scouting/transfers
• Rebuilds teams quickly

The only negative is that he hasn't got big, big club experience. But he's worth the risk.

 

[FootballHQ]

What sort of reception would Mourinho get at OT if he hooked up at another premier league club?

Applauded along touchline like Keane/Bryan Robson were or just ignored like Moyes was when he came back?

That would probably hurt his ego more than any criticism he gets.

 

[Cmz']

Zidane to Juve next summer, Allegri to us would be my guessing. Would have loved a manager like Sarri or Nagelsmann but they're not happening now. Jardim or Pochettino would be ideal.

 

[Scholes the maestro]

The caf members deserves a full on meltdown. Keep Jose until they find another club to support.

Yeah or give it to Giggsy ‘till end of the season. Full meltdown mode.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

He just doesn't look happy and he sucks all the fun out of being a utd supporter for me, the guy's still in that hotel and his family is in London.

Meanwhile the other side of the coin, pep has just opened a restaurant in Manchester and seems happy with life, hell even Klopp is happy and he's in Liverpool.

Its like he thinks his doing utd a favour by managing us! You might work with someone who is always moaning about something, now imagine that's you leader or boss.

thanks for building a good team, now time to let someone drive it. #JOSEOUT

I think I’m starting to understand why Red Cafe has so many fickle fans spitting dummies out. It’s teenagers innit?
Hashtags?!

 

[andycolegangstainnit]

There's too many people taking too much notice of Journos who, instead of doing their real job of sniffing out info about what's happening, take the easy way out and come up with wild speculation instead. The club have put their faith, not to mention their money. in Jose and are not so stupid as to jettison him because of a few iffy results at the start of the season. If the team went into meltdown like Chelsea did then they would have to act but the only obvious candidate to take on what would be a mammoth task would be Ancelotti.

The Chelsea nightmare happened, IMO, largely because they are were (and still are) over-reliant on Hazard. Our squad is enormous and there are simply too many top players for us to languish mid-table at Christmas. The worst that could happen is an early exit from the UCL and 6th or 7th in the league. If that were the case then he'd go at the end of the season and there may well be one or two candidates available then.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Zidane to Juve next summer, Allegri to us would be my guessing. Would have loved a manager like Sarri or Nagelsmann but they're not happening now. Jardim or Pochettino would be ideal.

I'd be happy with Allegri, Pochettino or Jardim to be honest. Won't go into more detail than that right now because i'm sure over the next few months they'll be plenty of time for that talk.

 

[Handsome Devil]

We'll all look back at this and laugh at Christmas when we will be unbeaten and 9 points clear.

 

[roonster09]

We should go for Leonardo Jardim imo if Jose was to leave.

• Champions League Experience
• Promotes Youth
• Attacking, exciting football
• Monaco would compromise
• Very good scouting/transfers
• Rebuilds teams quickly

The only negative is that he hasn't got big, big club experience. But he's worth the risk.

Yeah, Jardim would be good option if Jose leaves.

Sarri is also in contention, as he is Chelsea's coach now.

 

[Adisa]

First thing after he leaves should be appointing a DoF and setting clear direction on what they want on the football side of things.

 

[Mr Anderson]

Zidane jumped as soon as a major rebuild was needed. We are not even half way into a rebuild here, if we were turnkey then maybe.

We certainly don't need a yesman in the door either, as if Jose is struggling to get support from the board to spend - no doubt so will others of lesser experience. Poch tried to act hard at end of last season - but Levy hasn't delivered and Poch has taken a relaxed approach once more.

Honestly as things stand, we'd be worse without Jose in our current state.

 

[André Dominguez]

As I said, we got the worng portuguese manager. Paulo Fonseca would be a step forward.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

McKenna could learn under someone, it is a big difference coaching kids who want to learn and seasoned professional, who have been there and done that and think they know it all.

 

[simplyared]

How is the board to blame? They’ve backed him with over £350m in 2 years and to be honest they’re probably asking where all that money went it’s been spunked on mediocre players.

That’s why after signing Lindelof and Bailly for a combined £70m we still need to go out and spend another load of money because the players aren’t good enough.

I'd blame the board for complacency. Should have shown him the door after he boosted his ego when reminding us of the victories he'd inflicted on the club and then after slagging his players off.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

Obviously a very tough call, but if the board had taken it's responsibility he should have gone after we lost the FA cup. The pre season signs aren't looking good and the meltdown lurking in the background. Can't see him lasting the season so the OP certainly justified.
Zidane the obvious candidate to take over!

So after winning the league cup, the europa cup and then following that up with a 2nd place in the league ahead of the Champions League finalists and a FA Cup final you would have sacked him? Despite of course the second in the league was to record point scorers who have been financed by unprecedented inflows of cash.

There are a few reasons to question the medium/ longer term strategy in terms of management, but last seasons results are not one of them.