RedDevil@84
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Depends on what the price asked by Levy for Toby is.There's a world of difference between wanting Alderweireld and Rooney don't you think?
Ed is not expected to sign out blank cheques for every player Jose wants.
Depends on what the price asked by Levy for Toby is.There's a world of difference between wanting Alderweireld and Rooney don't you think?
City have the best squad in the league, how many of their players cost 70M+? No matter how bad things maybe, we should always spend with sense, else the club will end up wasting millions on transfers with little improvement to the squad just to satisfy muppets.I don't see what there is to say about Van Dijk now. The market has changed (look at the price of Kepa and Allisson).
You either pay what it takes to get the right players to improve your team or you fall behind those who are willing to do so.
I kinda feel someone's in his ear... I'm hoping it's proper football person! One can dreamI didn't read any other post or articles but the title. My question is who decided to vetoed Mourinho's wishlist. Ed? Who advised him to do so? Or him doing on his own?
There are some world class players a club can move heaven and earth for, Alderweireld is not one of them.How exactly do you know that the top clubs won't move for someone with that profile when he's that cheap ? Completely illogical.
We also thought that Sanchez would go to City for free at one time, remember ?
Football changes from year to another. There's zero proof he will end here one year later.
This is the worst argument I have ever heard.I'd like to pose this question. All things considered, of all the players who have moved this window, which of them are you upset about Manchester United not being in for?
Who else? Or are we all complaining about not picking up contracted players who have stayed with their current club and not moved to any of our competitors..
And these world class players will never be available. That's not football manager to think we will get the likes of Varane or Umititi from the 2 La Liga Giants. Madrid won't accept a 200m offer for Varane.There are some world class players a club can move heaven and earth for, Alderweireld is not one of them.
There is none. This we are "willing to spend 100m on Varane but if he won't sign we won't go anyone else" sounds so fecking juvenile; it's probably bullshit. It's good to chase players like Bale, Varane, Neymar etc. if they are willing to come here. But there has to be a back up plan if you can't get those players. Our transfer strategy can't be all or nothing. We fecking adopted the same approach in the first transfer window after Sir Alex left by chasing Cesc and Bale for the entire window and than in the end were scrambling to sign DeRossi, Khedira, Conterao etc. only to end up with Fellaini, 4m pounds over his release clause a month back.Don’t think you are overthinking and these are some important directional challenges many supporters are raising. What this distills down to, for me personally, is that the board realises after all the money spent, Jose is not delivering and continuing to back his short term goals with an unchecked budget is not the right thing to do. The scary thing is that Ed seems to be overlord and does he really understand how to build a squad long term? What is the strategy here?
It "proves" (if you believe it is what actually happened), that Woodward doesn't understand how numbers work. It suggests he would go into a shop, and decide he didn't want to buy anything as it was too expensive to be value for money, but without actually checking how much anything cost, and just presuming it would be an amount, and deciding that amount was too much...then go into another shop, and attempt to spend nearly twice as much money on something that isn't even for sale. Then come back with nothing. There's no spin you can put on it that allows it to make any sense. It's something that would cause you not to trust this person to spend your money ever again, as when this was explained to you, you would realise the person is an idiot.He's very competent in generating money for the board and signing sponsorship deals. He has been brilliant for it ever since he got the job tbf. The debts have been reduced and the value of the club is always at the top every year despite the crap results on the pitch.
The article proves that he's crap and incompetent when it comes to actual football, thinking Varane is available and not even asking how much Tobby value and thinking he's no better than what we have proves how much he knows about the sport, but on the financial he's the dream man for the Glazers, and Glazers' only aim from the club is to generate money for their pockets. We are more of a business club than a football one now, and Ed is doing that job well.
Problems would have been controlled if the Glazers hired Ed to do the financial work and gotan actual DOF to be in line with the manager, get someone who actually understands football to be in charge of transfers. Ed is trying to act like one and give his crap opinions on target when his football knowledge isn't higher than what I know about NFL.
This post would make sense if the club had no idea of how Mourinho likes to operate before they hired him.I am a fan of Mourinho but fully agree with the club if this is the case.
He should improve what we have, not ask for a new toy each time when it's more expensive and no better to the one we already have.
I agree on your principle in general And understand it but the point is I don't even think the Glazers are looking at it that way. They are looking at it from different perspective and from the perspective they don't see a problem in how he's managing their money.It "proves" (if you believe it is what actually happened), that Woodward doesn't understand how numbers work. It suggests he would go into a shop, and decide he didn't want to buy anything as it was too expensive to be value for money, but without actually checking how much anything cost, and just presuming it would be an amount...then go into another shop, and attempt to spend nearly twice as much money on something that isn't even for sale. Then come back wiith nothing. There's no spin you can put on it that allows it to make any sense. It's something that would cause you not to trust this person to spend your money ever again, as when this was explained to you, you would realise the person is an idiot.
The DoF would report to him. He can still retain oversight while allowing someone to do the job properly.Hubris. Ed doesn't want to relinquish any power.
Sure, second is higher in the table than third or fourth. But im not sure doing better than Moyes is good enough. And 19 points off first place? Is that really closing the gap between us and the title?We are closer. Not only have we won trophies but we've just finished higher than we have since 2013. That's just a fact. Not to mention the person you're replying to is alluding to the myth that Jose is buying in pensioners and nothing more. It's simply untrue.
Aye I think the cafe deserves a few years of Brendan Rodgers tbqh.At this point I want Jose to go just so everyone will shut up about him
How so? If there are players who moved who you think United should have bought in to fill problematic positions (full-back and right-wing seem to be the consensus,) that's fine. In my opinion there weren't, I just asked a question.This is the worst argument I have ever heard.
@Dante and @MikeUpNorth are spot on!! Nothing to add except this.
As a member of several corporate boards I have learned from senior colleagues a few basic rules. These rules are none questionable.
1. You don’t brief the media about your own shortcomings. That’s plain stupid. Why? You open up a can of worms you can’t control.
2. You don’t start a public war against your own manager. How crazy is that!? That’s beyond stupid! Almost corporate suicide. Internal disagreements you keep in-house, rule number one on every corporate level.
3. If the board disagrees with the manager they either talk to him, give him a frame or specific orders how to operate, or sack him. What else!? Going public about why, who and how is borderline incompetence. Woodward basically gave away our future transfer plans. How wise is that!?
4. The last rule. The most important one. Listen now Edward and repeat 100 times until you learn.
# You have faith in your manager/CEO until you don’t have faith!!! Next step is to sack him, not go public with pathetic excuses.
04.45 in the morning. I’m reading this and almost lost for words. Fecking hell !
Alex Sandro, Kurzawa/ any left back in the world.After reading Simon Stone's article it does make me laugh how the same people who label our clubs planning or transfer strategy as directionless or haphazard then turn around and say that Ed is incompetent for spending big on the likes of an injury prone Boateng. We've just spent big money on both Fred and Dalot. This follows the previous two Summers where we paid out huge for 23/24 year old Paul Pogba and Romelu Lukaku.
Press briefing or not, I tend to believe Stone's article and it's stance that we would have happily smashed the world record fee for a defender of the right profile. If Raphael Varane is that profile then I'd expect we'll go in hard for a Champions League proven player who's yet to hit his prime in the next window or two. Someone like Skrinier comes to mind, who will be tested with Champions League footy this season.
I wanted another player or two in as much as the next muppet. I was rock-hard for Toby Alderweireld, but by the more likely accounts we didn't even approach Spurs for him. It makes sense in hindsight. He'll cost 25 mill next Summer and perhaps only a little more in only 4-months time. If we're within touching distance of top come January and then we sign Alderweireld for a considerably lower fee than we would have had to pay this window, will any of you naysayers give Ed Woodward credit then?
I'd like to pose this question. All things considered, of all the players who have moved this window, which of them are you upset about Manchester United not being in for? I'd take Dalot's potential over Ricardo Pereira, and with Fred onboard and Pereira staying with us there's really no argument for the likes of Jorginho or Kovacic.
Who else? Or are we all complaining about not picking up contracted players who have stayed with their current club and not moved to any of our competitors..
No. He has NO footballing credentials. The moron vetoes Jose’s list but has NO idea who should be signed instead. All he knows is that they should apparently be younger. Jose has already been signing younger players! Literally what the feck?While what Ed is doing is commendable, it is only half the job. He shouldn't just veto a manager's targets but suggest viable alternatives to make up for it.
Agree. I know that fans are upset and angry that we haven't purchase much this transfer window. But using this stick to beat Jose is really crazy. Lots of fans don't like Jose but from the beginning he's reiterate his desire to stay here long term and by his purchasing history you could see that he's thinking long term here.please explain to me one thing. How can a manager get the first place now and also solve the long time problems. Because the same people here that say we should buy someone younger with potential are the same that ask for José head if we don't win anything this year.
It's kind of strange. Are people just uninformed how football works or it's just the hate that blinds everyone and they just pick random arguments to try to have the same result.
It all points to the board and Woodward fearing a Mourinho third season. A real shame they didn't fully back him this summer. It was a chance to show Jose they wanted him for the long term aswell and they failed.As I mentioned earlier, Telegraph carried something similar name-dropping Varane. Legit damage control by Ed trying to explain to the supporters.
I guessed this was the reason ever since the board vetoed Perisic - they don't like Jose's older targets for the most part. Been burned by making stupid signings for LvG and backing him blindly.
While what Ed is doing is commendable, it is only half the job. He shouldn't just veto a manager's targets but suggest viable alternatives to make up for it. After all, the whole world and their dog know we need a LB and RW. And it is for that reason we need a proper transfer structure to help the manager.
Lastly, one thing I disagree on is that Shaw is an asset. 4 managers have said the same thing. I doubt he will come good. But by keeping players Jose doesn't fancy, like Shaw and Martial, maybe Ed is indeed mulling a change of manager next season.
But it's Mourinho who went public and first started this.@Dante and @MikeUpNorth are spot on!! Nothing to add except this.
As a member of several corporate boards I have learned from senior colleagues a few basic rules. These rules are none questionable.
1. You don’t brief the media about your own shortcomings. That’s plain stupid. Why? You open up a can of worms you can’t control.
2. You don’t start a public war against your own manager. How crazy is that!? That’s beyond stupid! Almost corporate suicide. Internal disagreements you keep in-house, rule number one on every corporate level.
3. If the board disagrees with the manager they either talk to him, give him a frame or specific orders how to operate, or sack him. What else!? Going public about why, who and how is borderline incompetence. Woodward basically gave away our future transfer plans. How wise is that!?
4. The last rule. The most important one. Listen now Edward and repeat 100 times until you learn.
# You have faith in your manager/CEO until you don’t have faith!!! Next step is to sack him, not go public with pathetic excuses.
04.45 in the morning. I’m reading this and almost lost for words. Fecking hell !
By Woodward, I meant appoint a DoF in general. And as I pointed out in another thread, all was peachy keen when Jose wanted young players or older superstars like Ibra, Sanchez etc. It's when he started asking for the likes of Perisic, William (unglamorous "old" signings) and ostracized Martial (Ed's favorite), that the cracks appeared.No. He has NO footballing credentials. The moron vetoes Jose’s list but has NO idea who should be signed instead. All he knows is that they should apparently be younger. Jose has already been signing younger players! Literally what the feck?
Perisic who reached a world cup final and Willian who was chased by Barca (they have a DOF, right?)By Woodward, I meant appoint a DoF in general. And as I pointed out in another thread, all was peachy keen when Jose wanted young players or older superstars like Ibra, Sanchez etc. It's when he started asking for the likes of Perisic, William (unglamorous "old" signings) and ostracized Martial (Ed's favorite), that the cracks appeared.