[Poll Added] Hypothetical: Next manager after Jose Mourinho

[PepG]

Carlo Ancelotti replaced Sarri as a head coach of Napoli,it seems a lot of people missed that news Last night his team won 2:1 as a guest to Lazio..

 

[Long Ball]

Is it possible to add zizou to the poll?

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Pep and Zidane have been manager of team B in both clubs and the board knew exactly how their thinking and tactical working are going to be. It wasn't a surprise for anyone how they played or how they set up a team. It was just lack of experience.

On the other hand, we know square root of nothing about Giggs tactical plan.

If Mourinho goes, we may try to go for Jardim or Poch from the unproven managers, otherwise Zidane or Allegri from the proven ones.

I wasn't particularly talking about Giggs as I think that time has passed at least for now, I think we will all be keeping an eye on how he does with Wales.

As I mentioned I also was not particularly speaking about Pep or Zidane. However managing the youth teams is not historically the path to being the next manager (although it can be a good one). Deschamps, Conte, Simeone, Frank Rijkaard, Ancelotti, Cruyff, Beckenbauer etc. never managed youth teams to my knowledge. Most commonly the club will see attributes in the person during their playing career that will have them take coaching qualifications and then give them a shot at the job.

I am not saying it is the best way to do it, I just find it strange that our fans in particular scoff at the idea of giving the role to one of our greatest ever players who has served pretty much the ultimate education.

Maybe it is the size of our club, I don't know.

 

[el3mel]

I wasn't particularly talking about Giggs as I think that time has passed at least for now, I think we will all be keeping an eye on how he does with Wales.

As I mentioned I also was not particularly speaking about Pep or Zidane. However managing the youth teams is not historically the path to being the next manager (although it can be a good one). Deschamps, Conte, Simeone, Frank Rijkaard, Ancelotti, Cruyff, Beckenbauer etc. never managed youth teams to my knowledge. Most commonly the club will see attributes in the person during their playing career that will have them take coaching qualifications and then give them a shot at the job.

I am not saying it is the best way to do it, I just find it strange that our fans in particular scoff at the idea of giving the role to one of our greatest ever players who has served pretty much the ultimate education.

Maybe it is the size of our club, I don't know.

It's not about the path or proving anything managing youth teams.

It's simply about the board knowing what they'll bring to the team. Zidane wasn't successful with the B team iirc, but his methods and play style were well known to the board when they appointed him. Same for Pep. They knew exactly what these guys will bring to the table and if they'll suit the team current players or not. It wasn't a surprise for the board, just for fans.

Our ex players are all an unknown quantity. We don't know anything about their playstyle. I'll expect most of them to try and emulate Fergie at their first attempt, being a clone of the big man they trained under him for years and try to play a near style, something that I don't think it's gonna work if they tried, because emulating a previous manager will never end up being that same manager imo.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

It's not about the path or proving anything managing youth teams.

It's simply about the board knowing what they'll bring to the team. Zidane wasn't successful with the B team iirc, but his methods and play style were well known to the board when they appointed him. Same for Pep. They knew exactly what these guys will bring to the table and if they'll suit the team current players or not. It wasn't a surprise for the board, just for fans.

Our ex players are all an unknown quantity. We don't know anything about their playstyle. I'll expect most of them to try and emulate Fergie at their first attempt, being a clone of the big man they trained under him for years and try to play a near style, something that I don't think it's gonna work if they tried, because emulating a previous manager will never end up being that same manager imo.

I answered essentially the same point a couple of posts earlier. The majority of former players who have become great managers had nothing to do with the youth team. Ironically being a number 2 then being promoted to head coach is a much more common route.

I am not saying managing the youth team is a bad audition as it were. I am saying that the mocking of the mere suggestion of Ryan Giggs makes very little sense.

Ironically due to Sevilla, Dortmand and Chelsea taking the three managers I would want if push came to shove right now I would like to give Kieran Mckenna a chance in a much reduced head coach role that only focused on training, tactics and game management which would see a wholesale restructure. Still, Giggs would fit more in line with what has historically worked in football.

 

[el3mel]

I answered essentially the same point a couple of posts earlier. The majority of former players who have become great managers had nothing to do with the youth team. Ironically being a number 2 then being promoted to head coach is a much more common route.

I am not saying managing the youth team is a bad audition as it were. I am saying that the mocking of the mere suggestion of Ryan Giggs makes very little sense.

Ironically due to Sevilla, Dortmand and Chelsea taking the three managers I would want if push came to shove right now I would like to give Kieran Mckenna a chance in a much reduced head coach role that only focused on training, tactics and game management which would see a wholesale restructure. Still, Giggs would fit more in line with what has historically worked in football.

Conte managed 4 small teams before getting the job at Juve. Carlo managed 2 before Juve. Simeone managed 6.

None of these were unknown quantity as well, or jumped straight to a big team.

 

[kidbob]

I feel we'll discover that we may have missed the boat with Sarri. Klopp was my first hope that we'd go for (even over Pep at the time) and Sarri was the recent one. Actually have very little idea of who else is out there that can coach as well as these type of guys.

 

[Morpheus 7]

A new manager isn't going to come with a magic wand and fix this mess. The board and deadwood need to be addressed as well as Jose and our playstyle. The craving for Zidane is a gamble too, doesn't guarantee a league. People need to look at things closer, he inherited one the greatest teams of all time and didn't challenge for the league. They were a very counter attacking side and not incredible to watch weekly. Football needs to be better at United and more attacking and more to our tradition. There is no quick fix in all this.

 

[RedorDead21]

I bet Jose wins a title and prob another CL wherever he goes.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Conte managed 4 small teams before getting the job at Juve. Carlo managed 2 before Juve. Simeone managed 6.

None of these were unknown quantity as well, or jumped straight to a big team.

Yes, they took on roles with real pressure and real consequences and succeeded based on personality and attributes they will have displayed in their playing careers. Jumping straight into a big club is really not the same challenge to someone who has grown up and spent the majority of his life as an integral part of one as it is to most people.

 

[el3mel]

Yes, they took on roles with real pressure and real consequences and succeeded based on personality and attributes they will have displayed in their playing careers. Jumping straight into a big club is really not the same challenge to someone who has grown up and spent the majority of his life as an integral part of one as it is to most people.

Conte has been a Juventus player for 13 years. Almost his entire career was there.

Still ended up needing to prove himself at small clubs before getting the Juve job.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Conte has been a Juventus player for 13 years. Almost his entire career was there.

Still ended up needing to prove himself at small clubs before getting the Juve job.

I am not really sure what your point is?

I am saying that there are dozens of other characteristics which are just as important as experience in making a good manager and that historically managers have come from a pool ex players.

Essentially that the laughing at the idea of Giggs is a touch strange.

 

[Seven Seas Sardines]

The only two positives with today were:

• Mourinho closer to getting sacked
• Wake up call coming early in the season

Would Zidane agree an interim contract til the end of the season? Doubt it.

 

[el3mel]

I am not really sure what your point is?

I am saying that there are dozens of other characteristics which are just as important as experience in making a good manager and that historically managers have come from a pool ex players.

Essentially that the laughing at the idea of Giggs is a touch strange.

My point is you can't hire an ex player to become your manager just because other teams did it and succeeded. They did it based on evidence. They knew what they'll bring to the table. They knew their playstyle and what they'll offer. They weren't hired because they were ex legend.

When one of our players fill the criteria we can talk about that. Currently, it's just wishful thinking.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

We need a motivator too in my opinion. Zidane could do that.

The two teams playing the best football in the league at the moment have real motivators behind them and it shows on the pitch.

but the also have a manager who comes with a clar style of play who very clearly improve players on the training ground and build a team structure.

 

[LittleP14]

Bizarre how my post was rejected as a WUM. I seriously think Wenger wouldn’t be a bad shout! @Raoul.... why do you say I’m a WUM?

 

[AlwaysRed66]

It has to be Pochettino, but there is no way we would get him now the season has started.

Wenger, as others have mentioned isn't as silly as it sounds, if short term. At least he would get us attacking, & might get the best out of Pogba & Martial. Also, be the ultimate insult for Mourinho to be replaced by him. I think him & SAF are now great buddies.

Leeds are playing great stuff at the moment, & although Bielsa is a bit of a nut, it would be interesting whilst it lasted.

What about Eddie Howe. I know he has little experience, but does like playing the right way, which is not easy when Bournemouth probably have the smallest resources in the league.

 

[Random Task]

The only two positives with today were:

• Mourinho closer to getting sacked
• Wake up call coming early in the season

Would Zidane agree an interim contract til the end of the season?

Sacking Mourinho will not be considered as an option by the board until it is mathematically impossible to reach top four. We all know this.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

My point is you can't hire an ex player to become your manager just because other teams did it and succeeded. They did it based on evidence. They knew what they'll bring to the table. They knew their playstyle and what they'll offer. They weren't hired because they were ex legend.

When one of our players fill the criteria we can talk about that. Currently, it's just wishful thinking.

But loads of clubs and even countries have (to great success). I even just looked up and apparently Zidane played the U21's really defensively on account of struggling to get to grips with it. That didn't give anyone any evidence of his play style. Why do you think most clubs don't just go and look at whoever won the U23 league when looking to appoint a new manager?

In your view no one would ever get a promotion due to the fact they have never succeeded at that job prior.

 

[el3mel]

But loads of clubs and even countries have (to great success). I even just looked up and apparently Zidane played the U21's really defensively on account of struggling to get to grips with it. That didn't give anyone any evidence of his play style. Why do you think most clubs don't just go and look at whoever won the U23 league when looking to appoint a new manager?

In your view no one would ever get a promotion due to the fact they have never succeeded at that job prior.

Weren't my previous 3 posts pretty much replaying on this point and proving that's not the case ?

 

[::sonny::]

Simeone + Burgos

 

[::sonny::]

The same Ancelotti that lost the league to Montpellier? And then nearly bottled it with Bayern? Absolutely not, he is another dinosaur in the game, just like Mourinho

Agreed both outdated and finished

 

[dove]

It's absolutely hilarious seeing Simeone at the 2nd place. I can even bet most of the people who voted for him are the most vocal about our shit style of play under Jose.

 

[Seven Seas Sardines]

Sacking Mourinho will not be considered as an option by the board until it is mathematically impossible to reach top four. We all know this.

An inevitable spat between players, board and Mourinho is only a couple of losses away. I don't condone this kind of attitude and they are mostly to blame, but I think the players are as jealous as ourselves watching our biggest rivals play the way they do while we sit back against minnows feeding long balls to Fellaini. They have no confidence attacking because it seems they're not even training it.

 

[amotherscrime]

1. Simeone
2. Pochettino
3. Jardim

 

[AlwaysRed66]

It's absolutely hilarious seeing Simeone at the 2nd place. I can even bet most of the people who voted for him are the most vocal about our shit style of play under Jose.

I agree. Unbelievable that this anti football specialist is anywhere near top of poll to be manager here. Makes Mourinho look like a saint.

 

[L1nk]

Genuinely think we missed out not grabbing Tuchel this summer.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Genuinely think we missed out not grabbing Tuchel this summer.

Yep pretty much

 

[Kapardin]

Genuinely think we missed out not grabbing Tuchel this summer.

He was bloody naive against Klopp in the EL. No thanks, atleast not until he proves himself. PSG have the players to keep themselves in healthy competition even if he fails, we don't have Neymar or Mbappe.

I get the idea we should look for a progressive manager, but some amount of winning experience is desirable. Jardim fits the bill, though Zidane is likely.

 

[The White Pele]

Pochettino would have to top the list for me

 

[Ace of Spades]

The first thing we need to do is get a DOF. Jardim seems the best choice, also would not mind McKenna given a chance.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Weren't my previous 3 posts pretty much replaying on this point and proving that's not the case ?

No, due to you not addressing any of the specific points I have made that disprove that.

"Former players need to manage smaller clubs before getting a shot at a big team" Put aside Cruyff, Beckenbauer and others. Kind of flies in the face of your own examples of Pep and Zidane just managing youth teams (poorly in Zidane's case). Then your argument would be that they have shown something (again not sure what in Zidane's case) with game management. Ignoring my other point that historically number 2 to number 1 has been a much more tried and tested method of progression.

Either way it's a little tedious due to me not really having no dog in the fight. Just done nothing to make the mocking of Giggs any less weird to me.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I agree. Unbelievable that this anti football specialist is anywhere near top of poll to be manager here. Makes Mourinho look like a saint.

Mourinho made Simeone look like a saint when they faced off in the CL in 2014.

Mourinho went to Madrid and refused to attack them in the 1st leg. It cost them in the 2nd leg.

 

[el3mel]

No, due to you not addressing any of the specific points I have made that disprove that.

"Former players need to manage smaller clubs before getting a shot at a big team" Put aside Cruyff, Beckenbauer and others. Kind of flies in the face of your own examples of Pep and Zidane just managing youth teams (poorly in Zidane's case). Then your argument would be that they have shown something (again not sure what in Zidane's case) with game management. Ignoring my other point that historically number 2 to number 1 has been a much more tried and tested method of progression.

Either way it's a little tedious due to me not really having no dog in the fight. Just done nothing to make the mocking of Giggs any less weird to me.

They don't need to show results in small clubs. They need to show which play style they play and it's then up to the board to decide if this play style will suit the team then appoint them, but in all cases, they know what these managers will bring.

You mentioned Zidane was defensive with the youth team, but guess what, Zidane was never overly attacking manager in his 2.5 years with Madrid anyway. He still played counter attacking football abusing the fullbacks and Ronaldo scoring up front. I have watched several of their games in La Liga and even when they won the league, they had several boring matches that they won. Zidane didn't change from youth team to first team, he was just implying his counter attacking with better players so the shape looked better. Madrid knew exactly what he'll bring to the table.

I have replied on your examples and already mentioned that most of them managed other clubs. Don't you realize that you mentioned the likes of Conte, Carlo and Simeone as examples of getting the risk of the job and when I replied with their history of managing small clubs, your replay was that it's different when giving the job to a player with a history with that club, on which my replay was that Conte spent his entire career with Juve but still needed to prove himself as a manager first ? It's not about results, it's about their style and what you'll expect from them when they get the job.

None of our ex players have showed any style or evidence they're worth the job. If I asked you know what will you expect from Giggs to do if he gets the job tomorrow, you won't have an answer, because you didn't even see him 10 games on the run as a manager to know what his play style is. The board itself doesn't know.

The only reason for wanting the likes of Giggs as a manager is he's an ex legend and other clubs did that with their previous players. Difference is these other clubs were planning their moves and were either preparing them for the job or that ex legend has managed under their eyes and they know what he'll bring to the team. We, on the other hand, just want an ex legend to jump in the same ship as Madrid and Barca. Another trying to imitate them even though we have no ex legend who has shown anything in management apartment, not even their style as a manager is unknown.

It's just based on wishful thinking, not a planned move at all and these unplanned moves end in tears most of times.

 

[LolYo]

Well if Zidane wants the job you got to give it to him I guess.
Buuut ...Mourinho needs to be fired ASAP and someone else should take over, preferably one of the ex players that understands the United DNA and has the United DNA in him.
Gary Neville, Scholes, whoever.
We will likely need to fire Mourinho soon and appoint someone while we look for a long term option.

 

[redIndianDevil]

It's absolutely hilarious seeing Simeone at the 2nd place. I can even bet most of the people who voted for him are the most vocal about our shit style of play under Jose.

Or Simeone got votes from Mourinho supporters here who like to watch defensive counter attacking teams?

 

[Hugh Jass]

It's absolutely hilarious seeing Simeone at the 2nd place. I can even bet most of the people who voted for him are the most vocal about our shit style of play under Jose.

This. One said he wanted either Zidane, Conte or Simeone. Conte is like mourinho and Simeone is mourinho up another level.

 

[LJJT]

Giggs, Phelan and Rene

 

[Sassy Colin]

No Zidane option?

 

[LJJT]

This. One said he wanted either Zidane, Conte or Simeone. Conte is like mourinho and Simeone is mourinho up another level.

How’s about we just get back to what we always did? Giggs, mike, Rene, bring in Scholes. Enough of this shite