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Carlo Ancelotti replaced Sarri as a head coach of Napoli,it seems a lot of people missed that news Last night his team won 2:1 as a guest to Lazio..
I wasn't particularly talking about Giggs as I think that time has passed at least for now, I think we will all be keeping an eye on how he does with Wales.Pep and Zidane have been manager of team B in both clubs and the board knew exactly how their thinking and tactical working are going to be. It wasn't a surprise for anyone how they played or how they set up a team. It was just lack of experience.
On the other hand, we know square root of nothing about Giggs tactical plan.
If Mourinho goes, we may try to go for Jardim or Poch from the unproven managers, otherwise Zidane or Allegri from the proven ones.
It's not about the path or proving anything managing youth teams.I wasn't particularly talking about Giggs as I think that time has passed at least for now, I think we will all be keeping an eye on how he does with Wales.
As I mentioned I also was not particularly speaking about Pep or Zidane. However managing the youth teams is not historically the path to being the next manager (although it can be a good one). Deschamps, Conte, Simeone, Frank Rijkaard, Ancelotti, Cruyff, Beckenbauer etc. never managed youth teams to my knowledge. Most commonly the club will see attributes in the person during their playing career that will have them take coaching qualifications and then give them a shot at the job.
I am not saying it is the best way to do it, I just find it strange that our fans in particular scoff at the idea of giving the role to one of our greatest ever players who has served pretty much the ultimate education.
Maybe it is the size of our club, I don't know.
I answered essentially the same point a couple of posts earlier. The majority of former players who have become great managers had nothing to do with the youth team. Ironically being a number 2 then being promoted to head coach is a much more common route.It's not about the path or proving anything managing youth teams.
It's simply about the board knowing what they'll bring to the team. Zidane wasn't successful with the B team iirc, but his methods and play style were well known to the board when they appointed him. Same for Pep. They knew exactly what these guys will bring to the table and if they'll suit the team current players or not. It wasn't a surprise for the board, just for fans.
Our ex players are all an unknown quantity. We don't know anything about their playstyle. I'll expect most of them to try and emulate Fergie at their first attempt, being a clone of the big man they trained under him for years and try to play a near style, something that I don't think it's gonna work if they tried, because emulating a previous manager will never end up being that same manager imo.
Conte managed 4 small teams before getting the job at Juve. Carlo managed 2 before Juve. Simeone managed 6.I answered essentially the same point a couple of posts earlier. The majority of former players who have become great managers had nothing to do with the youth team. Ironically being a number 2 then being promoted to head coach is a much more common route.
I am not saying managing the youth team is a bad audition as it were. I am saying that the mocking of the mere suggestion of Ryan Giggs makes very little sense.
Ironically due to Sevilla, Dortmand and Chelsea taking the three managers I would want if push came to shove right now I would like to give Kieran Mckenna a chance in a much reduced head coach role that only focused on training, tactics and game management which would see a wholesale restructure. Still, Giggs would fit more in line with what has historically worked in football.
Yes, they took on roles with real pressure and real consequences and succeeded based on personality and attributes they will have displayed in their playing careers. Jumping straight into a big club is really not the same challenge to someone who has grown up and spent the majority of his life as an integral part of one as it is to most people.Conte managed 4 small teams before getting the job at Juve. Carlo managed 2 before Juve. Simeone managed 6.
None of these were unknown quantity as well, or jumped straight to a big team.
Conte has been a Juventus player for 13 years. Almost his entire career was there.Yes, they took on roles with real pressure and real consequences and succeeded based on personality and attributes they will have displayed in their playing careers. Jumping straight into a big club is really not the same challenge to someone who has grown up and spent the majority of his life as an integral part of one as it is to most people.
I am not really sure what your point is?Conte has been a Juventus player for 13 years. Almost his entire career was there.
Still ended up needing to prove himself at small clubs before getting the Juve job.
My point is you can't hire an ex player to become your manager just because other teams did it and succeeded. They did it based on evidence. They knew what they'll bring to the table. They knew their playstyle and what they'll offer. They weren't hired because they were ex legend.I am not really sure what your point is?
I am saying that there are dozens of other characteristics which are just as important as experience in making a good manager and that historically managers have come from a pool ex players.
Essentially that the laughing at the idea of Giggs is a touch strange.
but the also have a manager who comes with a clar style of play who very clearly improve players on the training ground and build a team structure.We need a motivator too in my opinion. Zidane could do that.
The two teams playing the best football in the league at the moment have real motivators behind them and it shows on the pitch.
Sacking Mourinho will not be considered as an option by the board until it is mathematically impossible to reach top four. We all know this.The only two positives with today were:
Would Zidane agree an interim contract til the end of the season?
- Mourinho closer to getting sacked
- Wake up call coming early in the season
But loads of clubs and even countries have (to great success). I even just looked up and apparently Zidane played the U21's really defensively on account of struggling to get to grips with it. That didn't give anyone any evidence of his play style. Why do you think most clubs don't just go and look at whoever won the U23 league when looking to appoint a new manager?My point is you can't hire an ex player to become your manager just because other teams did it and succeeded. They did it based on evidence. They knew what they'll bring to the table. They knew their playstyle and what they'll offer. They weren't hired because they were ex legend.
When one of our players fill the criteria we can talk about that. Currently, it's just wishful thinking.
Weren't my previous 3 posts pretty much replaying on this point and proving that's not the case ?But loads of clubs and even countries have (to great success). I even just looked up and apparently Zidane played the U21's really defensively on account of struggling to get to grips with it. That didn't give anyone any evidence of his play style. Why do you think most clubs don't just go and look at whoever won the U23 league when looking to appoint a new manager?
In your view no one would ever get a promotion due to the fact they have never succeeded at that job prior.
Agreed both outdated and finishedThe same Ancelotti that lost the league to Montpellier? And then nearly bottled it with Bayern? Absolutely not, he is another dinosaur in the game, just like Mourinho
An inevitable spat between players, board and Mourinho is only a couple of losses away. I don't condone this kind of attitude and they are mostly to blame, but I think the players are as jealous as ourselves watching our biggest rivals play the way they do while we sit back against minnows feeding long balls to Fellaini. They have no confidence attacking because it seems they're not even training it.Sacking Mourinho will not be considered as an option by the board until it is mathematically impossible to reach top four. We all know this.
I agree. Unbelievable that this anti football specialist is anywhere near top of poll to be manager here. Makes Mourinho look like a saint.It's absolutely hilarious seeing Simeone at the 2nd place. I can even bet most of the people who voted for him are the most vocal about our shit style of play under Jose.
Yep pretty muchGenuinely think we missed out not grabbing Tuchel this summer.
He was bloody naive against Klopp in the EL. No thanks, atleast not until he proves himself. PSG have the players to keep themselves in healthy competition even if he fails, we don't have Neymar or Mbappe.Genuinely think we missed out not grabbing Tuchel this summer.
No, due to you not addressing any of the specific points I have made that disprove that.Weren't my previous 3 posts pretty much replaying on this point and proving that's not the case ?
Mourinho made Simeone look like a saint when they faced off in the CL in 2014.I agree. Unbelievable that this anti football specialist is anywhere near top of poll to be manager here. Makes Mourinho look like a saint.
They don't need to show results in small clubs. They need to show which play style they play and it's then up to the board to decide if this play style will suit the team then appoint them, but in all cases, they know what these managers will bring.No, due to you not addressing any of the specific points I have made that disprove that.
"Former players need to manage smaller clubs before getting a shot at a big team" Put aside Cruyff, Beckenbauer and others. Kind of flies in the face of your own examples of Pep and Zidane just managing youth teams (poorly in Zidane's case). Then your argument would be that they have shown something (again not sure what in Zidane's case) with game management. Ignoring my other point that historically number 2 to number 1 has been a much more tried and tested method of progression.
Either way it's a little tedious due to me not really having no dog in the fight. Just done nothing to make the mocking of Giggs any less weird to me.
Or Simeone got votes from Mourinho supporters here who like to watch defensive counter attacking teams?It's absolutely hilarious seeing Simeone at the 2nd place. I can even bet most of the people who voted for him are the most vocal about our shit style of play under Jose.
This. One said he wanted either Zidane, Conte or Simeone. Conte is like mourinho and Simeone is mourinho up another level.It's absolutely hilarious seeing Simeone at the 2nd place. I can even bet most of the people who voted for him are the most vocal about our shit style of play under Jose.
How’s about we just get back to what we always did? Giggs, mike, Rene, bring in Scholes. Enough of this shiteThis. One said he wanted either Zidane, Conte or Simeone. Conte is like mourinho and Simeone is mourinho up another level.