Pretty much most non fanboi sites have him rated highly. I'd have to side with Enigma here, though I'd still move Passarella to Tier 1. He should be rated ahead of McGrath, Rio and Cannavaro definitely. Too bad there is not more material on him.
I'd probably make slight changes mate if we rate them in perspective.
Aye that's pretty much spot on. I'd rate Passarella at Tier 2 because of players like Sammer, Nesta and Kohler there whose club careers eclipsed what he did at River and Inter, IMO. He was closer to their tier, than to Scirea, Beckenbauer, Baresi and Figueroa who received many individual plaudits on top of in Baresi and Scirea's case winning everything under the sun whilst being one of the top dogs in their teams.
I don't think Passarella is defensively in the same tier as (Figueroa, Baresi, Scirea, Beckenbauer, Moore).
Yes, his reading of game and passing are top tier all-time.
His time at Italy was when he was just past his prime. Inter was him aged 34 or something and was still good. I don't count his lack of trophies against him.
There was nothing defensively lacking about him. Good reading, leadership, crunching tackles, great in air... He had everything. If we want to nitpick, his tendency for rash tackles can be counted against him... But it was not really out of the norm. Made it up with his goal scoring.
Aye. The original Rolls Royce defender.
Fiorentina at the time weren't worse team than Inter tho. The year before he moved they challenged Juve for the title and finished just 1 point off the top. I really don't think Passarella was better defender than Kohler or Nesta.
His injuries didn't help his case, tho. I'm not sure when you'd have his greatest performances and actual peak. He doesn't have the height of the performance you'd associate the likes of Figueroa against Muller, Moore's WC, Baresi against Romario and van Basten, etc.
Such a shame that he missed that '06 World Cup, although it's hard to imagine that Italian defence being even better. I'm quite sure that Cannavaro wouldn't have been as impressive individually with Nesta around here though (but they'd probably be better as a unit).
Would you put Godin in tier 2? Rio?
Probably should've went with those half tiers until the end,
Yeah, that's pretty much spot on, I agree with all that with minor changes.
I reckon McGrath & Carvalho are good in T2. Injuries aside, McGrath will be rated higher than Rio as a ball playing CB. Versatile to play as DM too. Carvalho is another player very underrated in drafts. Possibly because of his partner, But he was stellar defender. Maybe physically not as intimidating as most PL defenders in that era, but absolutely I rated him ahead of Terry in that partnership.
I'll try to download a season review — I've had it but deleted it since.
Thanks mate. Look forward to it if you find it.
Yeah that looks unreal, I'd give that a watch if you manage to find it @harms
I don't need to find it, I need to wait for a seeder to come back
Yeah. We were trying to get some sort of alignment across the common perception of the best South American defenders of all time. Universally Figueroa is regarded the highest - he ticks all the boxes really in terms of quality of performance - then Passarella/Nasazzi/Chumpitaz/Santamaria/Da Guia/Godin. I think each of Nasazzi, Santamaria and Da Guia suffer from playing in a different era when they were more exposed and probably lack the footage to back up their quality in the way that the post-70s boys do. Assuming all eras are equal then they should each be £100m+ in the valuation, but in valuing based on vote worthiness, they take a small hit. To me those 7 CBs are clearly the best and there's a gap to the next tier. And delighted to see you've put Godin in there. We've got a modern tendency not to put any of the more recent defenders into these types of discussions, but Godin's CV over the last decade is sensational.
I didn't want to overrate Carvalho but generally I agree with you. IMO Carvalho's credentials should be really high. Proven himself at Porto, Portugal and Chelsea at his peak. Very complete defender who formed alongside the cnut one - one of the best modern day defensive units. Even when Jose took him to Real he was a good addition for the first year as he was calm and composed at the back and great influence to others beside him, which helped Jose build a solid unit at the back.
Yup, agree with all that only bar Da Guia. To me he's vastly overrated and not just going by that WC performance. Most of his credentials are only anecdotes and at the time Uruguayan, Argie league and football in general were better than Brazil's. The Brazilian league was fragmented at the time and the best SA players didn't play there(unlike the 50's and 60's). His All Star Team accolade in 38' was bit of a joke having watched highlights of the games and he really didn't deserve that award IMO. Brazil's defensive line generally was all over the place and they relied on their attack to bail them out most of the games. He conceded 2 important penalties and most of the goals could've been prevented that came centrally if he had a better positioning.
Would be nice to get a clip of this...
It'd be hard to apply same standards to likes who you named above as McGrath both at club and country were switched constantly between CB and DM. It just shows how good he was to be considered prime at both. The only reason he is not a tier 1.5 was due to his injuries. Imo, he fits in perfectly at Tier 2.
Perhaps @Pat_Mustard or @Gio can opine.
And the season review
Thanks. Awesome. 1:50 for the incident in article.
Thanks mate. Capello looks dope
This is why Da Guia was considered a legend at the time. Because he went to Uruguay and won a championship with Nacional in the Uruguay league. Then went to Boca and won an Argentine championship with Boca Juniors. He was considered a legend in not just Brazil but all of South America. He was praised by fans of both Nacional and Boca for a long time. Even Central Americans I know remember his name. It still seems you are relying too much on just 1938 which I don't think you can do as we don't have complete matches. Additionally it wasn't perceived by the Brazilians the way the World Cup is now. In 1938 it was seen as more a fun exhibition tournament in a foreign country rather than a serious footballing trophy that must be competed for at all costs. So I'm not sure it should be taken as seriously as the post-WWII to present era Brazilian NT. Domingos was also the Player of the Tournament in the South American championship in 1945 seven years later so I think his accolades across his career are better than you are really acknowledging. He was pretty much the first prototype of a ball playing defender and I think all ball playing defenders sometimes get criticism for defending at times.
Cheers mate
only a matter of time for a thread about All-Time Team Around Paulo Wanchope
Do it We're doing the modern draft next.Looking forward to the arguments like "my Pirlo is much better than yours".Only downside is that there would be a game of Pirlo vs Pirlo but feck it, if we can imagine Messi playing against Tigana we can do the same with duplicates
This means that numbers higher than 11 won't participate?
Think most players would have had 1 to 11 at some point in their career.
