SAF very likely would not have brought Pogba back. He hated his agent.Fergie would have created an environment where someone not putting the work in would have been a pariah and an outlier vs the rest who would have run into a brick wall for him. I get the point about players now having more power and it did show up from time to time but idk if it is fair to make a comparison to the current situation. This problem is one of Mourinho own doing so saying Fergie would struggle as well is not true when he would not have let it get to this point.
Its not fair to judge Mou too harshly when many of the problems where here before he even got the job but at some point you have to wonder how many excuses you can trot out before you get to the actual problem.
Also the whole spiel about young players lacking bollocks seems like outdated mode of thinking when one did just that last year when he single handedly dug his team out of relegation. If young players where so soft than Pep's team would be full of geriatrics.
The bold is the key point here, it's not like there wasn't player power back when Fergie was managing, (admittedly not as much as now), but it was how he dealt with that which made him such a great manager. He knew when players needed to be shown the door before causing too much of a stink. Roy Keane was beloved by fans, but it didn't stop Fergie selling him as soon as he thought he'd overstepped his mark.Fergie would have created an environment where someone not putting the work in would have been a pariah and an outlier vs the rest who would have run into a brick wall for him. I get the point about players now having more power and it did show up from time to time but idk if it is fair to make a comparison to the current situation. This problem is one of Mourinho own doing so saying Fergie would struggle as well is not true when he would not have let it get to this point.
Its not fair to judge Mou too harshly when many of the problems where here before he even got the job but at some point you have to wonder how many excuses you can trot out before you get to the actual problem.
Also the whole spiel about young players lacking bollocks seems like outdated mode of thinking when one did just that last year when he single handedly dug his team out of relegation. If young players where so soft than Pep's team would be full of geriatrics.
Think it just shows that you cannot manage by bullying now. Are players a bit precious? Yes. It is all about man management now and that isn't Jose any longer. Everything has changed management, tactics etc. Although to me if you treat the players correctly they will still go out and battle for you.Lol is that the problem here? That our players are to soft for a tongue lashing and if they weren't we'd be playing amazing football right?
Maybe, but at least they didn't turned up on the pitch drunk.Bunch of fannys the lot of ‘em.
Come again?Well, yeah. That is what happens when you smash your wage budget and start signings rappers posing as football players on insane contracts that didn't make sense in the first place. Some of these guys need a right royal bollocking but Mourinho won't be the one dishing it out unfortunately.
Well exactly.In this case, not only Manchester united are affected but all the clubs..
What’s wrong with that? I used to do it every Sunday for fecks sake.Maybe, but at least they didn't turned up on the pitch drunk.
This. Honestly I don't know how so many Manchester United fans can compare them like they are equals.a) Man management isn't as simple as handing out tongue lashings to every bloody player as Mourinho seems to want. You have to know what works with whom and Sir Alex was a fecking master at that.
b) This isn't unique to Manchester United and its players.
c) Mourinho needs to adapt.
All these fecking, Sir Alex would have struggled too bits piss me off. Mourinho isnt fit to lace the great man's boots
All of this. Sir Alex would most certainly have known what to do. The state of people suggesting otherwise.a) Man management isn't as simple as handing out tongue lashings to every bloody player as Mourinho seems to want. You have to know what works with whom and Sir Alex was a fecking master at that.
b) This isn't unique to Manchester United and its players.
c) Mourinho needs to adapt.
All these fecking, Sir Alex would have struggled too bits piss me off. Mourinho isnt fit to lace the great man's boots
Who?Well, yeah. That is what happens when you smash your wage budget and start signings rappers posing as football players on insane contracts that didn't make sense in the first place. Some of these guys need a right royal bollocking but Mourinho won't be the one dishing it out unfortunately.
I hope for your sanity's sake that you arent refering to Pogba here.Well, yeah. That is what happens when you smash your wage budget and start signings rappers posing as football players on insane contracts that didn't make sense in the first place. Some of these guys need a right royal bollocking but Mourinho won't be the one dishing it out unfortunately.
Absolutely.Think it just shows that you cannot manage by bullying now. Are players a bit precious? Yes. It is all about man management now and that isn't Jose any longer. Everything has changed management, tactics etc. Although to me if you treat the players correctly they will still go out and battle for you.
we are talking about people who are actually paid to play football. Do you turn to work drunk?What’s wrong with that? I used to do it every Sunday for fecks sake.
Aside from the two that you (rightly IMO) mention, who are the weak players?Not only the players are weak, even the fans are weak.
Martial can throw a tiny sulk and the fans are up in arms and actually saying he's treated like shit and want him to move for his own good. How times have changed. If the likes of martial/pogba coming here and read the comments here they'll feel vindicated and keep on doing what they're doing because they think the fans are on their side.
Spot on, it's not a matter of now vs then - it's a matter of identifying the different personality types in your squad and handling them all accordingly.a) Man management isn't as simple as handing out tongue lashings to every bloody player as Mourinho seems to want. You have to know what works with whom and Sir Alex was a fecking master at that.
b) This isn't unique to Manchester United and its players.
c) Mourinho needs to adapt.
All these fecking, Sir Alex would have struggled too bits piss me off. Mourinho isnt fit to lace the great man's boots
Great post. SAF also really knew when to put a arm around a players shoulder and when to give him a kick up the backside.Fergie would have created an environment where someone not putting the work in would have been a pariah and an outlier vs the rest who would have run into a brick wall for him. I get the point about players now having more power and it did show up from time to time but idk if it is fair to make a comparison to the current situation. This problem is one of Mourinho own doing so saying Fergie would struggle as well is not true when he would not have let it get to this point.
Its not fair to judge Mou too harshly when many of the problems where here before he even got the job but at some point you have to wonder how many excuses you can trot out before you get to the actual problem.
Also the whole spiel about young players lacking bollocks seems like outdated mode of thinking when one did just that last year when he single handedly dug his team out of relegation. If young players where so soft than Pep's team would be full of geriatrics.
Exactly my thoughts, hasn’t stopped all the other big clubs in Europe continuing their success.In this case, not only Manchester united are affected but all the clubs..
No but I turn to drink because of work. Doesn’t everyone?we are talking about people who are actually paid to play football. Do you turn to work drunk?
Like Mkhi, Lindelof and Pogba?Yes, he can.
He can hand out tongue-lashings to his own signings, because he buys pyschologically strong players. Jose wants a squad he can get a reaction out of.
He cannont, however, hand out tongue-lashings to LvG's signings. They were bought to different criteria. Mental strength was seemingly low down on the list of priorities.
Human beings haven't changed. Every old man believes that the new generation is getting softer. It's not true. But what is true is that the profile of the average Manchester United player has changed since Fergie left. Mourinho's biggest job is to change it back.
https://proto-knowledge.blogspot.com/2010/11/what-is-wrong-with-young-people-today.html
Yeah and are dad used to batter us with a broken bottle, dance on are grave etc. Try tellin the kids today that. Do they believe yer?Maybe, but at least they didn't turned up on the pitch drunk.
Who did that? Honestly haven't got a clue . What I do know is that I miss a Robson, Bruce, Moran, Keane aso in todays team. Someone to fecking get into the other players faces when they are playing like fannieswe are talking about people who are actually paid to play football. Do you turn to work drunk?
Pogba and Lindelof are.Like Mkhi, Lindelof and Pogba?
You think those 3 are psychologically strong players?
Pogba might be for France, but I don't know if he is for us. There is way more pressure and scrutiny when he plays for us. His reaction to the Brighton game was fine, but it again raises question as to why his attitude wasn't right prior to the game. Why did he think Brighton would be a easy game?Pogba and Lindelof are.
Pogba's World Cup showed that. Not to mention his reaction to the Brighton game.
Lindelof has never moaned about being on the bench, and looks like a player trying to improve himself every game. You're confusing physical strength with mental strength.
Mkhitaryan was a gamble made by United to keep Raiola on sweet on the Pogba deal. The gamble didn't pay off, but that happens sometimes.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...aryan-Arsenal-Paul-Pogba-secret-reason-gossip
Mourinho very clearly has a profile for his signings. He wants players who'll take criticism and fight back harder. It's been evident since the early 2000s.