[Betson]

It's embarrassing, that our plan B when we are looking for a goal is to bring Fellani up top.

It is not pretty or desirable but at the moment it is the only realistic plan B we have , we could have have played for another couple of hours today and we would not have scored trying to play through.

We just don't have the quality when we come up against a well set up team. Like it or not the reality is the hoof and hope to Fellani is often our best chance of a goal when we are up against it.

 

[JohnnyKills]

We're still a decent side but I'm not sure Mourinho can take us further. Imagine we'll part ways at the end of the season so let's see.

 

[Arka_BleedingRed]

That is why Ed should have backed Jose on who he needs the past couple of windows. If Ed wants to do it slowly, then we as fans will have to be patient.

Ed did back him for 6 windows. He bought Zlatan(gone), Mkhi(gone), Pogba(clashes with Jose), Lukaku(a donkey of a striker), Bailly(bench), Lindelof(consistent flaky performances), Sanchez(World Class suddenly turned to sh!t), Matic(erratic and increasingly looking slow physically as well as mentally).

Looking at this wonderful track record, I wouldn't blame Ed if he has decided not to trust/back Jose completely. And btw, who would have been bought to rescue Jose? Perisic and Alderweireld? Perisic is still inconsistent as feck, and Alderweireld would have cost 65M pounds).

When match after match, against any decent organised team, irrespective of the players played, the end result look exactly the same, the attacking players look completely clueless and out of sync with each other, the tactics looks completely sh!t, you have to think that maybe, just maybe there is a clueless moron( living on his past glories) at the helm.

 

[Eckers99]

The number 7 shirt is officially cursed.

Nah, we just need to stop draping it over shit players.

 

[arthurka]

We held out to a really tough opponent, another Mourinho masterclass . Now for the draw away to West Ham.

 

[Rash Decision]

I said on another thread Lukaku should play from the right. He hasnt the skillset to be a target man. His strength is running with the ball and he could do this from the right and Rashford Martial or Sanchez could occuppy the middle. If we had Aguerro for example playing down the middle we would have loads more goals. We havent got a WC striker yet were supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in the world.

I don't think Lukaku has the stamina to play on the wing all game. Correct me if I'm wrong and he has done it (perhaps for Belgium?).

I know loads want to see Martial at striker, but he should be on the LW given Sanchez's loss of pace. Play Sanchez at striker and see how he does. He was brilliant there in preseason. Put Rash or Lingard on the right, probably Lingard.

 

[Betson]

The worst part about this is that we'll likely be 8 points behind 2 clubs and 6 points behind another. I'm not even sure we're competing for top 3 at this point.

The worst part is that the early Fixture list was very kind to us , we got a run of games mainly against teams we should always be expecting to beat. And yet we are already well adrift of the top teams. The table will not be pretty reading as the season goes on if we can't find an improvement from somewhere.

 

[Rash Decision]

Nah, we just need to stop draping it over shit players.

I'm not saying the no. 7 shirt is cursed, but neither Di Maria nor Sanchez are shit players.

 

[Amir]

Not good but we can still get top four

Top three isn't happening which leaves the fourth spot. For Manchester United. In September.

Frankly, I don't even care if we get top four or not. Doesn't matter at all if we continue to play this way. I don't enjoy getting a few more crappy matches with this football in the Champions League, until the first decent team we meet knock us out. No point to this other than more money for the club.

 

[buckooo1978]

I said on another thread Lukaku should play from the right. He hasnt the skillset to be a target man. His strength is running with the ball and he could do this from the right and Rashford Martial or Sanchez could occuppy the middle. If we had Aguerro for example playing down the middle we would have loads more goals. We havent got a WC striker yet were supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in the world.

but he's not got the technical ability to play on the right either - can't believe there was a time that people thought Nani wasn't good enough

now we are trying to play Rashford (a 9 with limited creative passing ability) Lingard (average really) Lukaku (a player with limited technique and a heavy touch) or Mata (lacking physicality/pace)

I'd crawl through broken glass to get a young version of a typical winger like Nani back*


*I probably wouldn't in fairness

 

[Zlatattack]

Sacrificial Mou and Sanchez lambs whilst we are at it? The football gods would probably not take them...

Well I think Satan would happily accept Mourinho. Anyone has a goats head?

 

[sunama]

If they get anymore pedestrian there'll be hot dog stands on the pitch.

 

[wolvored]

I was on a flight, so didn't see the match (probably a benefit, by the sound of it).

However bad Lukaku was, though, bear in mind one stat - PL stats 6, goals 4. 1 goal every 1.5 games, or extending it to the rest of the season, he'd score 25.

I'm not a big fan of his (would have preferred Alvaro), but one needs to look at the big picture.

If he fails to score in the next 4-5 matches, then he may need to be dropped, but would you really drop a 25 goal a year striker after a stinker?

He isnt a 25 goals a season striker though. lets see if hes got a dozen by december

 

[arthurka]

I flat out hate seeing Valencia still with this team.

94:02 at home to Wolves, 1-1. Any chance of an overlap to help Lukaku? Nope. He is 5 yards inside Wolves half playing it safe. Couldn't even reach the rebound because he was so far back. Indicative of everything about his game.

Gutless.

He looks like a player with a bit to much mileage on the clock.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

From our defence, to Pogba, to Lukaku, to Sanchez, to Lingard, etc.....

 

[wolvored]

I don't think Lukaku has the stamina to play on the wing all game. Correct me if I'm wrong and he has done it (perhaps for Belgium?).

I know loads want to see Martial at striker, but he should be on the LW given Sanchez's loss of pace. Play Sanchez at striker and see how he does. He was brilliant there in preseason. Put Rash or Lingard on the right, probably Lingard.

He has played from the right here and for Belgium. Dont know if he would last past 70-75 mins though, but be worth a try.

 

[Sunny Jim]

We are so behind the likes of Chelsea, City and Liverpool.

Lukaku was absolute dogshit.

Sarri has shown you dont need ages to transform a team.

 

[Fully Fledged]

It is not pretty or desirable but at the moment it is the only realistic plan B we have , we could have have played for another couple of hours today and we would not have scored trying to play through.

We just don't have the quality when we come up against a well set up team. Like it or not the reality is the hoof and hope to Fellani is often our best chance of a goal when we are up against it.

The thing is that it very rarely works as a plan B.

 

[sunama]

This is how far we've fallen. And we're not finished yet, believe me. This is going to be a long, hard season with little comfort.

We finished 2nd last season and this season is still all to play for.
You are acting as if last season we finished mid-table and that this season we are scheduled to finish near the relegation zone.

If a new manager came in, he'd struggle just as much, if not more. A new manager won't cure our problems.

 

[sunama]

Sarri has shown you dont need ages to transform a team.

Chelsea are an anomoly in football. They can sack their manager every 2 years and still win titles. No other team in Europe can do this.
Do not use Chelsea as a blue print.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Nah, we just need to stop draping it over shit players.

Sanchez used to be one of the best players in the PL, look at him now

 

[Neo_Mufc]

Sanchez used to be one of the best players in the PL, look at him now

The 16/17 season around December he was playing like a God.

This team is not suited to Mourinho's style of football. This will carry on till he gets the boot and we will be happy with the odd performance here or there but come March when we get knocked out of the CL and we're out of the top 4 things will get a lot worse for the boss.

 

[wolvored]

but he's not got the technical ability to play on the right either - can't believe there was a time that people thought Nani wasn't good enough

now we are trying to play Rashford (a 9 with limited creative passing ability) Lingard (average really) Lukaku (a player with limited technique and a heavy touch) or Mata (lacking physicality/pace)

I'd crawl through broken glass to get a young version of a typical winger like Nani back*


*I probably wouldn't in fairness

Im just talking about what we have to work with. We could try Dalot with Young behind him I suppose, he can cross a ball.

We need a proper 2 footed winger and that Lozano looks a good young bet, plus I read when we were looking at him a couple of years ago he would love to play for us. Obviously there are others as well, but we neglect it every season.

 

[Eckers99]

I'm not saying the no. 7 shirt is cursed, but neither Di Maria nor Sanchez are shit players.

They were shit signings, borne out of desperation, who have been / were shit for us.

 

[redIndianDevil]

Not sure if this was said in jest but its actually a solid point. Yeah he's got little or no pedigree but if he finishes this season in a good position on the table, and we've already seen his body of work at a 'small' team, I'd say he deserves bigger things!

I was serious. There have already been rumours linking him to us.

 

[James Peril]

I was on a flight, so didn't see the match (probably a benefit, by the sound of it).

However bad Lukaku was, though, bear in mind one stat - PL stats 6, goals 4. 1 goal every 1.5 games, or extending it to the rest of the season, he'd score 25.

I'm not a big fan of his (would have preferred Alvaro), but one needs to look at the big picture.

If he fails to score in the next 4-5 matches, then he may need to be dropped, but would you really drop a 25 goal a year striker after a stinker?

You have to deduct the goals he won’t score in big games though, he’s hardly a 25 goal a year-player. He started great last season against weak teams and scored 16 in the end. I wouldn’t drop him however, we just don’t have the players.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Chelsea are an anomoly in football. They can sack their manager every 2 years and still win titles. No other team in Europe can do this.
Do not use Chelsea as a blue print.

Looks like they pick the right managers to hire and the right time to sack them too.

 

[Hound Dog]

Chelsea are an anomoly in football. They can sack their manager every 2 years and still win titles. No other team in Europe can do this.
Do not use Chelsea as a blue print.

?!
Absolutely every big club does this. Every single one.

 

[Minimalist]

Go support Liverpool you fecking cretins. They have won feckall in the past 5 seasons you fecking bellends

You're not really selling us on the idea. Do they play 4-4-2 or not?

 

[Fully Fledged]

?!
Absolutely every big club does this. Every single one.

Only:
Barca
Real
Bayern
Chelsea
City
Juventus
They are all anomalies don't use them as blueprints.

 

[sunama]

?!
Absolutely every big club does this. Every single one.

Such as?
Which club fires their manager every 2 years and win the title in the first year of the new hire.
Genuine question.

 

[Sing you a song]

After 6 games played we are already 10 lge goals behind City .
Our forwards are decidedly second rate .
Lukaku the best of a bad bunch but still one of the worst Centre forwards to be playing regularly we have had .

Martial please god let him go the most over rated player on this forum

Rashford if he wasn’t a local boy made good people would open there eyes to the fact that he is massively overrated .

Sanchez a far bigger problem even than Pogba as we will at least get big money for Pogba who on earth would pay big money for Sanchez with the wages he is on .
A couple of weeks ago I started a thread debating whether Sanchez could be moved on in January , the thread was unceremoniously pulled down And I took a load of grief forr it , but I stand by what I said in that Pogba’s constant headlining ( for all the wrong reasons ) had taken the spotlight off Sanchez who had once agin been diabolical in most games this season .
With Pogba at least now showing flashes of form Sanchez now has no hiding place and will become the centre of our awful goal scoring record .
He will go down in our history as nothing more than an also ran .

Unless we can get another striker in in January then top 6 will be all we can hope for

 

[Sandikan]

I can still read the post..maybe guy blocked you?

Maybe you're reading the quoted posts.

He's done amazingly to not get instantly banned for that post though. A shocker, and you see what people are capable of when angry!

 

[Sandikan]

Such as?
Which club fires their manager every 2 years and win the title in the first year of the new hire.
Genuine question.

He's working from Chelsea in England, and then teams that are one or two horse teams.

 

[KomodoBadger]

fecking disgusting. That’s us completely lost the title

 

[steffyr2]

I love Tony V but he is very much done. He looked like a couple of times he wanted to go past the LB but you can’t tell he just seemed like he couldn’t will his body to do it. He’s done.

Seems like we'd do better with someone who could play RW on the RW. That would mean that Lukaku could play, oh I don't know, maybe in front of goal....

 

[Hound Dog]

Such as?
Which club fires their manager every 2 years and win the title in the first year of the new hire.
Genuine question.

Fully Fledged answered your question below, I would add PSG to that list.

Only:
Barca
Real
Bayern
Chelsea
City
Juventus
They are all anomalies don't use them as blueprints.

Not sure if you are serious?

Serious or not, I just said that all big clubs change managers frequently. Except for Pep at Barca, I'd struggle to name a big club that had a manager for longer than three years over the last decade.

EDIT: Saw the original post I replied to, I now know you were not serious

 

[arthurka]

City, Pool and Chelsea will not win every game, there's still time to go up.

The funny thing neither will we.

 

[Fridge chutney]

Why have the goals dried up this season?

McKenna (and Carrick) will make a big impact here. But it takes time.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Fully Fledged answered your question below, I would add PSG to that list.



Not sure if you are serious?

Serious or not, I just said that all big clubs change managers frequently. Except for Pep at Barca, I'd struggle to name a big club that had a manager for longer than three years over the last decade.

No I was being facetious. They have all changed managers regularly and gone on to win league titles and/or Champion's leagues.