Mourinho or Pogba?

[mancan92]

I'm still befuddled that Mourinho wasn't sacked midway through his post-sevilla press conference, where he decided to take a dump on his players, the club, and gloat about it

At any other big club he'd have been punted into the sun for that

Pogba has been unprofessional in his interviews this season. Mourinho has been far, far worse, since midway through last season

Thank you someone from the outside who can see it clear as day.

 

[Reiver]

Part of me thinks we'd be better off without either of them.

 

[Member 90887]

Why wouldn't it be right when the manager is a mentally unstable, egomaniacal manchild who only thinks about himself and will continue to drag the club down for as long as he's here?

If you care about Manchester United, you want Mourinho out.

What a stupid and condescending comment. people that don't want him out don't give a shit about united then ? our away fans that gave him their backing just our last away game, don't care about united then ? they just don't have better things to do and go around the country to support the team.

 

[Paxi]

It depends on the reasons behind the conflict, I noticed that football fans are quick to go with the "player power" narrative without taking into account the context. The players could easily have a very good reason to turn against the manager it's not necessarily about power. Football players have experience when it comes to how a club is run, how training sessions are conducted, they know what is happening behind the scene. People seem to think that the board will magically be aware of issues that might see a manager sacked but someone has to talk first and it will most likely be a player or a group of players since in our case the board members aren't closely monitoring every training sessions.

That's also why most clubs have a DOF between the board and the head coach because in general the DOF is the one monitoring things closely but at United there is no one between the HC and the board.

I agree with everything you say mate. There's also a pattern that's evolved with Jose. Maybe we should look to him instead of Pogba.

 

[villain]

Without Pogba, we simply cannot create goal scoring chances.

Whether that's a tactic from Mourinho, or whether that's a result of the lack of quality in the squad is kinda immaterial to be honest, we can't afford to lose him right now.

But, if he wants to go regardless of who's manager then he can leave too.

 

[Member 90887]

Thank you someone from the outside who can see it clear as day.

Yeah, a real madrid supporter that's used to managers being sacked for the stupidest of reasons. Nice.

 

[Jev]

He's not making it easy for himself, but I think we all know that United's problems run far deeper. It's not going to get significantly better with another manager, I feel. The squad still needs major additions to push (WIN) for the Premier League and Champions League - and there's not really any financial incentive for the owners to do so.

I think it's a little simplistic to chalk it down to a lack of investment in the squad. Over the past five years we're second in spending after City, yet Spurs and Liverpool in particular have managed to progress during that time. We've simply spent the money poorly, and Mourinho is one of the culprits. Either way, whether the squad is quite good enough or not, I still maintain that we have enough quality in the side to expect much better results and performances.

 

[Paxi]

Yeah, a real madrid supporter that's used to managers being sacked for the stupidest of reasons.

Hasn't stopped them from winning everything under the sun to be fair.

 

[Baxter]

I'm still befuddled that Mourinho wasn't sacked midway through his post-sevilla press conference, where he decided to take a dump on his players, the club, and gloat about it

At any other big club he'd have been punted into the sun for that

Pogba has been unprofessional in his interviews this season. Mourinho has been far, far worse, since midway through last season

That football heritage Sevilla rant truly was a disgrace. People slagging of Pogba for saying we should attack, should genuinely go back and watch that back. After that two cowardly performances and the embarrassment of getting knocked out, to come out with that shit was appalling.

 

[FootyGirl88]

I'm still befuddled that Mourinho wasn't sacked midway through his post-sevilla press conference, where he decided to take a dump on his players, the club, and gloat about it

At any other big club he'd have been punted into the sun for that

Pogba has been unprofessional in his interviews this season. Mourinho has been far, far worse, since midway through last season

So true - I don't understand how you can see it but United supporters can't.

 

[SirAF]

I think it's a little simplistic to chalk it down to a lack of investment in the squad. Over the past five years we're second in spending after City, yet Spurs and Liverpool in particular have managed to progress during that time. We've simply spent the money poorly, and Mourinho is one of the culprits. Either way, whether the squad is quite good enough or not, I still maintain that we have enough quality in the side to expect much better results and performances.

I agree with that - I don't think there is enough quality to win the PL or CL though, which is all that matters.

 

[Jev]

What a stupid and condescending comment. people that don't want him out don't give a shit about united then ? our away fans that gave him their backing just our last away game, don't care about united then ? they just don't have better things to do and go around the country to support the team.

Of course I'm being polemic. But yes, I believe that it would be for the good of the club if Mourinho left and that a fan should recognize this by now. We all know some fans like to show off their 'top red' status by backing the manager to the hilt. This, while well-intentioned and commendable in many ways, can quickly turn into denial. There's more than enough evidence that Mourinho's tenure is damaging to the club.

 

[Minimalist]

I'm still befuddled that Mourinho wasn't sacked midway through his post-sevilla press conference, where he decided to take a dump on his players, the club, and gloat about it

At any other big club he'd have been punted into the sun for that

Pogba has been unprofessional in his interviews this season. Mourinho has been far, far worse, since midway through last season

That was fecking horrendous. Then his pre-match presser that followed he was ranting like a lunatic.

Some on here loved it though so...meh

 

[Giggsyking]

 

[MUFC07]

Who's fat Daley Blind behind them?

 

[Member 90887]

People talk about the manchester way on one hand, youngsters, nice football, trusting managers and when it suits them, change their tune to this :

Hasn't stopped them from winning everything under the sun to be fair.

Our way of trusting managers -at least more than your regular club- is what gave us all our titles during the premier league era and i prefer it to stay that way.

And i am not defending jose as i think it's most likely his time, just replying to your observation.

 

[Coops73]

In answer to the OP, neither, they’re turning this club into a circus and they’re the biggest clowns. Pair of bellends.

 

[JPRouve]

People talk about the manchester way on one hand, youngsters, nice football, trusting managers and when it suits them, change their tune to this :



Our way of trusting managers -at least more than your regular club- is what gave us all our titles during the premier league era and i prefer it to stay that way.

And i am not defending jose as i think it's most likely his time, just replying to your observation.

Our titles have nothing to do with trusting our managers. We had two of the greatest managers in football history and they are the only ones that have been able to have any sort of success with the club.

 

[JJ12]

In answer to the OP, neither, they’re turning this club into a circus and they’re the biggest clowns. Pair of bellends.

Absolute wankers the pair of them

 

[Adam-Utd]

Pogba all day long.

 

[iluvoursolskjær]

I'm still befuddled that Mourinho wasn't sacked midway through his post-sevilla press conference, where he decided to take a dump on his players, the club, and gloat about it

At any other big club he'd have been punted into the sun for that

Pogba has been unprofessional in his interviews this season. Mourinho has been far, far worse, since midway through last season

+1

It's still baffling today how we as a club let him do that and got swept under the carpet, especially amongst the fans. Pogba undermined Mourinho if anything (by highlighting truths the, most of us talk about that stuff on this forum), Mourinho took the piss out of all of us after having just engineered our CL exit to Sevilla. Mental.

All of a sudden this no one's bigger the club shite, huh. What a load of tosh.

 

[POF]

Why wouldn't it be right when the manager is a mentally unstable, egomaniacal manchild who only thinks about himself and will continue to drag the club down for as long as he's here?

If you care about Manchester United, you want Mourinho out.

Maybe because the player is also an "egomaniacal manchild who only thinks about himself and will continue to drag the club down for as long as he's here".

 

[Jonno]

If you care about Manchester United, you want Mourinho out.

Quite possibly the worst post I've ever seen.

 

[Rory 7]

Player power never works. Have to back the manager.

 

[Jev]

Maybe because the player is also an "egomaniacal manchild who only thinks about himself and will continue to drag the club down for as long as he's here".

I'm not saying Pogba should necessarily stay.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Player power never works. Have to back the manager.

Chelsea and Madrid would disgree

 

[Skills]

I'm still befuddled that Mourinho wasn't sacked midway through his post-sevilla press conference, where he decided to take a dump on his players, the club, and gloat about it

At any other big club he'd have been punted into the sun for that

Pogba has been unprofessional in his interviews this season. Mourinho has been far, far worse, since midway through last season

Any club with any pride would've stuck a dog's collar on him and dragged him around Manchester. It was a disgraceful press conference.

Talk about being bigger than the club.

 

[Volumiza]

We may have a manager who is not right for the club. Personally I like mourinho. I don’t think he is quite the useless monster some proclaim.

But.... a player who is clearly holding the club, the shirt in contempt is a matter of disgust and makes me feel sick in the mouth.

If you’re reading this pogba, get lost. The club has had much less talented players that deserve 100% More respect than you:

 

[charlenefan]

I've always been very pro Mourinho because had he left tomorrow (past tense) he'd have left the club in a better shape to which he found it... this is very seriously close to no longer being the case and thus he needs to go

Pogba shouldn't be able to feel he runs the club but he's a much bigger asset who could be performing much better under another manager

 

[Shane88]

Part of me thinks we'd be better off without either of them.

I agree. They're both toxic, attention seeking twats.

The football can only improve if Mourinho's gone and we won't have to put up with praying for Pogba to show for one game a month.

Sack Mourinho, sell Pogba.

 

[CA_vampire]

I like Mourinho.

I don't like Pogba. I never liked him since he disrespected SAF back when he was 18 years old. It was a mistake taking him back. It's like breaking up with a girl and then ask her back giving her gifts. Not a good idea.

 

[iluvoursolskjær]

We may have a manager who is not right for the club. Personally I like mourinho. I don’t think he is quite the useless monster some proclaim.

But.... a player who is clearly holding the club, the shirt in contempt is a matter of disgust and makes me feel sick in the mouth.

If you’re reading this pogba, get lost. The club has had much less talented players that deserve 100% More respect than you:

Wait I'm missing something here. What did Pogba say against the club?

Cos there's loads of examples of Mourinho talking shite against the club.

 

[Fracture90]

Maybe because the player is also an "egomaniacal manchild who only thinks about himself and will continue to drag the club down for as long as he's here".

This is the case when we gotta take into consideration their track record to break the tie.

Pogba prior to Leicester game never undermined his manager and he worked with some demanding cnuts the likes of Alegri, Conte, Deschamps...

Whilst Mourinho on the other hand...oh phew where to start…

 

[Skills]

I like Mourinho.

I don't like Pogba. I never liked him since he disrespected SAF back when he was 18 years old. It was a mistake taking him back. It's like breaking up with a girl and then ask her back giving her gifts. Not a good idea.

Someone like Roy Keane has disrespected SAF far more than Pogba has ever done (who basically just decided to leave the club for his own sake). But I'm guessing you take any chance to fellate him, and how desperate we are for a player like him.

 

[Valencia's Left Foot]

Part of me thinks we'd be better off without either of them.

Me too, but you have to give pogba another chance under a different manager, too big of a talent to not see if you can salvage something from him.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

wow, at first i was thinking they are making fun of the whole situation but things really went south....

 

[kopviolator]

Might as well sit back and enjoy the circus cause there's no joy in watching the team.

Seriously though, why the feck don't the board step in and cut ties with these idiots? There is not a chance in hell this will work.

 

[Apokalips]

I'm still befuddled that Mourinho wasn't sacked midway through his post-sevilla press conference, where he decided to take a dump on his players, the club, and gloat about it

At any other big club he'd have been punted into the sun for that

Pogba has been unprofessional in his interviews this season. Mourinho has been far, far worse, since midway through last season

Agreed and to be honest I'm not surprised if players start to act up. He spent the summer basically calling them all garbage, saying we'd struggle if we don't buy a bloody CB. In what way is he inspiring confidence?

You look elsewhere and managers are trying to fill players with belief, meanwhile we have a guy casting a black cloud of negativity and after a while that negativity affects all around it.

Those Sevilla tactics and the comments after really ground my gears. The level of respect he had for us as fans and our club showed through in that rant. Then the whole 3 titles thing. I hate the way he talks about our club at times, he's making me feel like us fans are delusional West Ham fans or something.

 

[Darlington Padgett]

Neither of them should stay. Pogba is a child and is the most toxic player I've seen play for this team.

 

[fergosaurus]

Mourinho needs to go but Pogba's got too big for his boots since winning the World Cup. He can't strut around thinking he can say what he wants and disrespect the manager and his teammates. It's not like he's been consistently great to the point he can get away with stuff like that. Saying that, I think he should get a chance under a new manager when Mourinho inevitably gets sacked but someone needs to have a word with him about his attitude and professionalism.