Pogba told the club he wants to leave

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At this point, I would sell this twat and sack the manager and build from there.

He is the player with the highest level of talent in the team, but this drama with him is becoming too much. Never ever buy a Raiola client again.

Jose is also part of the problem, we look clueless on the field and are getting outplayed by fecking championship teams at home. I refuse to believe that an attack with Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial, Rashford and Lingard can't play functional football at the very least. We saw that they at least have the ability to play good football (first goal yesterday).
 

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This team is awful to watch. All the creative players, Alexis, Pogba, Martial and co. are struggling. Pogba and Martial have been dropped and publicly criticized by the manager.
Pogba has been the most creative player for this team since his arrival but still faces an avalanche of criticism every week. The manager has hardly stood by him and even dropped him for Scot McTominay for the CL knockout stages.

I feel he's well within his right to become frustrated. It hasn't got the team anything behind the scenes, so now he's coming for Mourinho.

The team is attacking like they haven't trained together before, and all the players' reputations are suffering for it. He's had 3 years to figure this out and we're still on square one.

Like Hazard and Fabregas before them, creative players like Pogba and Martial can't cope with this type of manager. Hope the club stands by the better players in this squad.
 

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He is our best player, but if we can get a massive amount for him, we could get 2-3 quality players in, like Inter did with Ibra. Which the new manager can buy in the summer.
That would be a step back then a step forward. You do that when you are already in a position of strength, not where we are. As it stands, we need more players of Pogba’s level, as his level sticks out like a sore thumb almost every game compared to the rest.

If Pogba’s irreplaceable then we’re in a bigger mess than I thought
Aye, when you think you can afford to lose your ONE World Class player you are going about this football thing all wrong.

Uh I beg to differ. Did Football Manager tell you this?
Yes.

He really isn't. There are hundreds of players out there who could put in half arsed performances and whine whine about everything anytime they open their mouths. We would be better off with a less talented player who puts in constant 7/10 performances than one who is as likely to put in a 4/10 as a 9/10


The only thing pogba loves is pogba.

Quite honestly I'd be glad to see the back of the prissy whinny bitch
The sooner people realise this Pogba they think they should be seeing every week belongs in Greek mythology, the better. Pogba is literally, and I use literally to mean, literally, not literally to mean the opposite as is so common - the best player on the pitch I’d say about 8 times out of every 10 times he steps on the pitch. The issue is the next 3 or 4 best players on the pitch play for the other team, excluding the keeper.

I’ve said before, but the expectation and the only Pogba that the critics would be happy with is a player who, every week, is Lampard, Zidane and Xavi all at once. Hence the mythology. Pogba can produce the qualities of all of these players at times, and every time he does, the consensus is that ‘this is the Pogba we need every week’. He’s ‘better when he keeps it simple’, then when he doesn’t and is magical offensively/creatively, ‘that’s what Pogba must do’, and then when he arrives late in the box and scored, ‘that’s the real Pogba we want to see’. He will never satisfy football followers in this country, and a large part of it is because his teammates are two levels below him.

I would prefer that Pogba doesn’t speak to the press about such, but I won’t fall into the trap of the reflex response of ‘he should do his talking on the pitch’, as if he does not. The Paul Pogba we see NOW, would unanimously be seen as the best midfielder in the league, or at worst, second, if the rest of the team was better and we were more competitive. It’s a blind spot in the cretinous media where an individual simply cannot be appreciated properly if his team does not win titles or compete. Not just Pogba, I’ve seen Valencia be the best RB in the PL two years ago and go totally unnoticed because United were ‘shit’. Only De Gea gets credit, as it suits the narrative to say we are so shite that our goalkeeper is the one saving us.

What Pogba said is what 90% of you say every day on here. We need to keep him if we want to get back to where we think we belong, because that is exactly where Pogba will be going if he leaves us, unlike majority of the players in our squad that would not get into a CL side if they left us.
 

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I agree with you but I'm totally in the dark when it comes to understand the true reasons. I said it a few months ago that in France among reliable journos the talk has been that Pogba and Mourinho can't stand each others but no one has ever said why, it was also reported that he doesn't want to leave United. When you put two and two together it means that he wants Mourinho out which would explain some of the comments but I still don't know what happened.

Of course the money part needs to be considered too but it seems that the main issue is between player and manager.
Probably a bit of both.

Although I'm more curious as to why he moved back to united in the first place. Let's not kid ourselves we're not the place for glory at that time. Money and fame yes but we're so far behind juventus it's weird move. Part of me thinking he loves united but it seems that not it.
 

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Probably a bit of both.

Although I'm more curious as to why he moved back to united in the first place. Let's not kid ourselves we're not the place for glory at that time. Money and fame yes but we're so far behind juventus it's weird move. Part of me thinking he loves united but it seems that not it.
There's no challenge to winning Serie A with Juventus and there's not as much prestige as winning the Premier League. He probably believed in Mourinho and United at the time, as well as believing in himself. We all thought we were on to something then, too.
 

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Probably a bit of both.

Although I'm more curious as to why he moved back to united in the first place. Let's not kid ourselves we're not the place for glory at that time. Money and fame yes but we're so far behind juventus it's weird move. Part of me thinking he loves united but it seems that not it.
You believe it or not but from the same people. Pogba loves United, he considers it like his family and he only left because he thought that he wasn't rated enough and wanted to prove that he should have. He came back to United because he considered that he had unfinished business. IIRC one of them said that Pogba knows that he should have been more patient and handle things differently but he doesn't have regrets.
 

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Can we add ",again" to the thread title?

And an "allegedly" since the sources are shite.
 

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You believe it or not but from the same people. Pogba loves United, he considers it like his family and he only left because he thought that he wasn't rated enough and wanted to prove that he should have. He came back to United because he considered that he had unfinished business. IIRC one of them said that Pogba knows that he should have been more patient and handle things differently but he doesn't have regrets.
I agree that Pogba loves (maybe too strong a word) United. I think anyone listing to what he’s actually saying would find it hard to disagree with what he’s saying - more attack, better movement up front, he could’ve been more motivated against Brighton, etc. he’s only fault is that he’s voicing this publicly.

He is hurting the club by being so public, but you can’t say he is apathetic towards how we’re doing.
 

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They've both been huge disappointments. I wish they would both leave. Can't be bothered with this club at the moment.
 

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I agree with you but I'm totally in the dark when it comes to understand the true reasons. I said it a few months ago that in France among reliable journos the talk has been that Pogba and Mourinho can't stand each others but no one has ever said why, it was also reported that he doesn't want to leave United. When you put two and two together it means that he wants Mourinho out which would explain some of the comments but I still don't know what happened.

Of course the money part needs to be considered too but it seems that the main issue is between player and manager.
This is very interesting.

As for the bolded, we've seen from his comments that Berbatov never got over it when Fergie benched him for the biggest game of the season, I've seen SAF on video in an interview explaining Rooney really told him he wanted out of the club after being benched for the Real Madrid match.

Two seasons ago they did a documentary on Dirk Kuijt, the supposed ideal professional and team player with all the experience, who completely lost his marbles after Van Bronckhorst benched him a couple of times in his last season at Feyenoord. It was bizarre to see his reaction, more so because they'd been team mates at the national team before, Kuijt couldn't deal with it at all and was filmed practicing how he was going to confront Van Bronckhorst.

Plenty of players look reasonably intelligent and down to earth, but it's easy to underestimate how big an impact something like being benched for the Sevilla match can have on a player who's clearly living in a bubble surrounded by people who are treating you like a god. Maybe there's more in play of course, but it might be just that simple.
 

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Maybe Pogba is setting up a trap for Mourinho. He did the "United should always attack,attack,attack", and now he told the club he wants out.
Pretty sure Ed wants us to attack and play nice football too, and that he thinks Pogba is important for the club.
Pogba, and most of the players, I'm sure, knows that us fans wants the team to play better attacking football too. Hell, i am confident Ed knows what most supporters have been saying online too.
Might be a smart move by Pogba to take the fans' side, and use it against Mourinho.

Or i have just played too much WW and make up conspiracy theories in my head.
 

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I agree with you but I'm totally in the dark when it comes to understand the true reasons. I said it a few months ago that in France among reliable journos the talk has been that Pogba and Mourinho can't stand each others but no one has ever said why, it was also reported that he doesn't want to leave United. When you put two and two together it means that he wants Mourinho out which would explain some of the comments but I still don't know what happened.

Of course the money part needs to be considered too but it seems that the main issue is between player and manager.
Just saw this now, backs up my conspiracy theory in last post :lol:
That said, in most job enviroments you'll find people who dislike eachother, and can still do their job... weird it doesn't work in football.
 

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No one is irreplaceable. Pogba, the manager, or even Ed. A club cannot keep anyone who decides for themselves they don’t want to perform at 100% for the club and team. Pogba says it in words that he gives 100% but we all see it on the pitch that he doesn’t.

That kind of attitude is poison in the team. Causes all kinds of unrest in the team.

Jose comes with his own sets of problems but if we let Pogba behave this way now, it will set a precedent that other players in the future can act the way they want when they feel that they are more important.
 

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If we could get a decent fee for him, that would allow us to get Milinkovic-Savic and keep some change, I wouldn't mind seeing him gone, too much of drama, too much for me.
But it would be heartbreaking if his return here turned out to be such a flop. We all had huge hopes...
 

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This is very interesting.

As for the bolded, we've seen from his comments that Berbatov never got over it when Fergie benched him for the biggest game of the season, I've seen SAF on video in an interview explaining Rooney really told him he wanted out of the club after being benched for the Real Madrid match.

Two seasons ago they did a documentary on Dirk Kuijt, the supposed ideal professional and team player with all the experience, who completely lost his marbles after Van Bronckhorst benched him a couple of times in his last season at Feyenoord. It was bizarre to see his reaction, more so because they'd been team mates at the national team before, Kuijt couldn't deal with it at all and was filmed practicing how he was going to confront Van Bronckhorst.

Plenty of players look reasonably intelligent and down to earth, but it's easy to underestimate how big an impact something like being benched for the Sevilla match can have on a player who's clearly living in a bubble surrounded by people who are treating you like a god. Maybe there's more in play of course, but it might be just that simple.
I think Pogba would be getting itchy feet about now regardless, as neither he nor Raiola were ever going to be at United for the long haul imo. That being said, the personal problems between Mourinho and Pogba reportedly date back to the beginning of last season, when Pogba picked up that hamstring injury vs Basel, apparently as a result of training privately against the expressed wishes of the club. Mourinho's displeasure at the situation was, according to Duncan Castles, the start of their feud.
 

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Probably a bit of both.

Although I'm more curious as to why he moved back to united in the first place. Let's not kid ourselves we're not the place for glory at that time. Money and fame yes but we're so far behind juventus it's weird move. Part of me thinking he loves united but it seems that not it.
Money, money, money. We probably tripled his wages and no doubt Adidas would improve his sponsorship. Plus his agent earnt £41m.
 

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I think Pogba would be getting itchy feet about now regardless, as neither he nor Raiola were ever going to be at United for the long haul imo. That being said, the personal problems between Mourinho and Pogba reportedly date back to the beginning of last season, when Pogba picked up that hamstring injury vs Basel, apparently as a result of training privately against the expressed wishes of the club. Mourinho's displeasure at the situation was, according to Duncan Castles, the start of their feud.
I missed that completely, the timeline fits because I was surprised since Mourinho was still defending Pogba in public. That would be petty from the both of them though.
 

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Silly thing to say, you don't know that, do you?.
Going off observation and evidence - not quite silly. He tries whenever he wants to and not whenever he needs to. That’s the difference between someone that is motivated for selfish reasons and someone motivated to consistently deliver to a teams success rather than ones image
 

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He'll be gone irrespective of managerial changes. We can't tolerate players getting too big for their boots and using the media to get their wish to leave.

If he puts his head down and works as expected without such media bollocks then fine keep him otherwise let him go to Barca.

Dissapointed to see so many willing to bend over and take it because the player in question is world class. Still we made this bed when we abandoned Fergies plan to get rid of Rooney.
 

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This is very interesting.

As for the bolded, we've seen from his comments that Berbatov never got over it when Fergie benched him for the biggest game of the season, I've seen SAF on video in an interview explaining Rooney really told him he wanted out of the club after being benched for the Real Madrid match.

Two seasons ago they did a documentary on Dirk Kuijt, the supposed ideal professional and team player with all the experience, who completely lost his marbles after Van Bronckhorst benched him a couple of times in his last season at Feyenoord. It was bizarre to see his reaction, more so because they'd been team mates at the national team before, Kuijt couldn't deal with it at all and was filmed practicing how he was going to confront Van Bronckhorst.

Plenty of players look reasonably intelligent and down to earth, but it's easy to underestimate how big an impact something like being benched for the Sevilla match can have on a player who's clearly living in a bubble surrounded by people who are treating you like a god. Maybe there's more in play of course, but it might be just that simple.
I find this amusing - Kuyt doing his best DeNiro in Taxi Driver impersonation as he gets ready to confront Van Bronckhorst.
 

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Sack Mou and sell Pogba.

Use the money to raid Ajax and hope for the best.
 

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I find this amusing - Kuyt doing his best DeNiro in Taxi Driver impersonation as he gets ready to confront Van Bronckhorst.
:lol: He did it in typical footballer's fashion of course, while walking on a golf course with his agent Rob Jansen, and later in some tiny office too I think.

I think Pogba would be getting itchy feet about now regardless, as neither he nor Raiola were ever going to be at United for the long haul imo. That being said, the personal problems between Mourinho and Pogba reportedly date back to the beginning of last season, when Pogba picked up that hamstring injury vs Basel, apparently as a result of training privately against the expressed wishes of the club. Mourinho's displeasure at the situation was, according to Duncan Castles, the start of their feud.
Vaguely remember that and it could have very well have been the start of things.
 

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This is how I feel now. He should be a centerpiece in the exciting post-Fergie era, but he's probably looking around him and asking the same questions of the club that we are here. It must feel like working for Motorola when apple/google/etc. want you.
Haha dude, so we are now Motorola? That’s not exactly an apt analogy but I get your point. But he always knew this was a project. I’m more inclined to believe the stories about him only spending 3 years here then moving to Spain. Either way, if a player wants to go that badly, let him go.
 

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They've both been huge disappointments. I wish they would both leave. Can't be bothered with this club at the moment.
Seems to be the only way forward.
Feck pogba and player power though. Most of the players are crap and have zero love for the club or our past. Ship them out! We are an absolute shambles! You’d think the record signing would want to play for the club? DiMaria scumbag, pogba same thing. He was sitting there laughing at us last night in the stands. What more do people need to realise he’s toxic and we will never win anything letting characters like him run the show behind the scenes
 

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I can’t blame any of our current squad for wanting out. Toxic environment at the club.
 

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Jesus christ to all the people who want to just sell Pogba and get a new signing in, have you not seen that NONE of out attacking signings have worked under Mourinho.

Lets see these boys under a different manager for gods sake, it is no coincidence Martial, Pogba, Sanchez etc have turned to shit under this clown. Did you guys see Hazard under Mourinho compared to now? Put Pogba under Pep Klopp or Poch and you would have a massively better player.

New signings will fix nothing at this club under Mou which I think they finally realised by not backing the clown in the summer.
 

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Jesus christ to all the people who want to just sell Pogba and get a new signing in, have you not seen that NONE of out attacking signings have worked under Mourinho.

Lets see these boys under a different manager for gods sake, it is no coincidence Martial, Pogba, Sanchez etc have turned to shit under this clown. Did you guys see Hazard under Mourinho compared to now? Put Pogba under Pep Klopp or Poch and you would have a massively better player.

New signings will fix nothing at this club under Mou which I think they finally realised by not backing the clown in the summer.
Hazard isn't the best example, he won POTY under Mourinho.
 

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In the video released today it sounds like Mourinho tells Pogba to "get out" and Pogba responds with "why?".

The best solution is to get rid of both at the end of the season. We can't risk Jose falling out with any more current players or future players and we also can't let a player get their own way.

It's such a shame that it hasn't worked out.
 

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:confused: how about not putting anyone on a pedestal, because United doesn't have a single player is good enough for that?
Over the last few years the managers and the fans seem to hope, that a single transfer can fix all the deficiencies and carry the team. Messi can do that, but Pogba is no Messi. Pogba is never ever going to run the show neither as central midfielder who is controling games nor as offensive midfielder, who carries the creative burden.
The problem is Messi couldn't do it. He can't do it for Argentina so why the hell you think he could do it playing here. Do we look like we play good enough football for Messi. This is not Fifa on easy mode he's not going to run round a whole opposition team.

Pogba does enough. I find it strange we want him to be Steven Gerrard, when whilst he was doing his bit for Liverpool we had a well structured team cleaning up which consisted of Michael Carrick, Giggs, Scholes and Darren Flectcher in the middle. Non of them was putting in Marvel Gerrard performances.
 

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Jesus christ to all the people who want to just sell Pogba and get a new signing in, have you not seen that NONE of out attacking signings have worked under Mourinho.

Lets see these boys under a different manager for gods sake, it is no coincidence Martial, Pogba, Sanchez etc have turned to shit under this clown. Did you guys see Hazard under Mourinho compared to now? Put Pogba under Pep Klopp or Poch and you would have a massively better player.

New signings will fix nothing at this club under Mou which I think they finally realised by not backing the clown in the summer.
This discussion isn't about his performances though it's about his behaviour. Perhaps you're fine with our players doing whatever they want, people talk about our attacking philosophy being important and it is but so is our philosophy for our players to respect the club and manager.
 

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He does shake his hand though. Jose needs to go simple as.
I think he goes in for a shake but Jose has his hands in his pocket so Pogba moves on.

Edit: just watched again. He clearly shakes his hand.