Nah, it started with anti-Perez years ago but inevitably went to the anti-club direction as well. When you exaggerate a small draw, or make something up, like say player X did Y so that Z, while the starting reason is trying to tarnish Perez' image, the player, the manager, the results and everything will be caught as well, add the reactionary polls etc. and you put so much pressure on everyone... all out of nothing, and though it's a shitty paper, it's a big player in Spain, it does affect your average fan.
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No man. They have their own agenda, for sure, and sometimes that agenda verges into anti-madridismo, and other times it's clearly pro-madrid. Being anti sometimes doesn't make them anti all the time
They do publish an incredible amount of BS though, for sure. Quite a bit of it is supposed to be positive though
How many of those keepers in the first link won it without winning a major trophy (World/European or League)
I wouldnt put much value in those awards
I do agree with your last point, but also, i think Oblak is better than De Gea. Splitting hairs though, those two and Ter Stegen right now are the three best gk in the world, if United were winning CL/PL or making deep CL runs instead of Atletico Madrid, De Gea would probably be getting more recognition than Oblak
Neuer was the best before the injury. Courtois if he recaptures his Atletico form will be up there too
Dont think thats the case in spain
Well, thanks for confirming my point.
Apparently there's no debate about who's the best goalkeeper in the world. Doesn't matter how many mistakes he makes with the NT, they somehow don't count. But as soon as a defender makes one, it's valid to crucify him with and say he's overrated.
Ramos is world class - anyone claiming he's not is being contrary. I rarely see him have a bad game bar the 8000 times he's been sent off.
Well it doesn't really validate your point, does it? Unless you think people beleive DDG is the best in the world because he's faultless. A keeper is bound to make more visible faults than a defender, that's just part and parcel of the job role, and so makes your comparison somewhat of a strawman. Instead compare Ramos to other centrebacks. Would you say Ramos makes comparatively similar mistakes than someone like prime Chiellini or Bonucci?
I think it's also important at this point for me to state that I rate Ramos very highly.
He is the best for his two transcendental goals, in 2 champions league finals, as well as for other qualities, from leadership to ability to excel in important games. He has not failed in many important matches, and if he did many times he was able to amend it with a goal.
Today the best full back is the one who knows how to attack, increasing the density of the defense in the game play.
In the case of defenses, the ability to play the ball with quality is important, and in that case, he is also one of the best.
The level of protection and defensive intensity of each team must also be taken into account.
One thing is Cannavaro in the World Cup with Italy and then finding himself in the Bernabeu very alone.
Considering two choices: technical defense which contributes in attack versus "classic" CB that exceeds in defense I think that in the balance, I would choose a defense type Ramos, but even considering the other election I do not see nowadays anyone else with a superior level (vidic type, Pujol , Maldini, Nesta,etc)
What? Ramos sees way more of the ball than DDG or whoever is in goal so how in the world is he bound to make less mistakes?
Anyway, I don't really have the energy and willpower to try and win this useless discussion. Many of you don't rate Ramos, fine. I just get sick of the people with that opinion who only watch him in the CL. At least form your opinion after watching him regularly.
Hense the "visible" part. A keeper is the last line of a defense. They make mistake and it's more than likely going to result in a goal. A defender can get away with several mistakes, and unless it results in a serious chance or a goal, it's forgotten in 5 minutes.
Many of us don't rate him? My last sentence in that post (which you've removed from your post) quite literally says I rate him "very highly."
Bonucci makes as many mistakes, if not more, and often for the same reasons, as Sergio. Bonucci is really a worse version of Sergio
Chiellini makes fewer mistakes and is more consistently a great defender than Sergio.
I'm convinced Chiellini or Bonucci would produce more mistakes if they were to play in a team like Real Madrid. Juve's defensive minded playing style traditionally suits CBs since takes away the pressure and sends them in more situations in which it is easy for them to shine. They almost never get exposed since there are always three midfielders in front of them whose primary concern is not conceding goals. An offensive/constructive approach like Madrid's or Barca's is completely different for CBs. They need to be better with the ball and more ofen find themselves left alone by their mates in counter attacks etc.
Bonucci's build up play is of course brillant, he may as well be the best passer among current CBs (alongside Boateng and Hummels I'd say) but I think Chiellini would look worse in a different team. It is the same with Godin in Atletico. Ramos is definitely one of the best CBs of his generation - maybe even the best.
Ask Milan fans about Bonucci. Just saying...
Chiellini would make a lot more mistakes since while he's gained a lot of confidence in this aspect, he's still pretty poor on the ball
Chiellini would make a lot more mistakes since while he's gained a lot of confidence in this aspect, he's still pretty poor on the ball
No Bonucci isn’t a worse version of Sergio, he’s the best ball playing centre back of his generation. There are other aspects of Ramos’ game that sets him apart from others.
I specified “prime” Bonucci.
Bonucci is not better on the ball than Sergio Ramos. Never was either
He's 30. He's in his prime right now
You cannot be a starter, then a captain for Real Madrid for years if you're not a world class player and one of the best in your position. You cannot be a starter for Spain during the best period of their history without being one of the CBs in the world. I don't like Ramos because he's the type to cheat to win games at all costs but he's an incredible player and one of the best CBs I have ever seen all things considered
He's 31 and no he isn’t, or is Rooney in is prime too?
His passing is for sure. As I say, there are other facets of Ramos’ game that makes him one of the worlds best, and although he’s got an excellent passing range, Bonuccis is better.
1) he's a defender who tend to have their prime later 2) rooney is an exceptional example of someone with an unusual career trajectory of peaking really, really early and going to shite fast
1.) all players are different
2.) all players are different
Florentino has finally approved the project of the new Bernabéu.
He needed the approval of the socios to indebt the club. He did it today with the compromisary socios(a small %)
He did practically without opposition. He was told that San Mamés had been much cheaper and he replied talking about the cost of Tottenham stadium, much higher. He also spoke of the threats he suffered when he kicked Ultras Sur out of the stadium.
In short, a loan of 575 million to be paid in 30 years, and three years of works
http://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2018/09/23/5ba79093468aeb764d8b4634.html
He needed the approval of the socios to indebt the club. He did it today with the compromisary socios(a small %)
He did practically without opposition. He was told that San Mamés had been much cheaper and he replied talking about the cost of Tottenham stadium, much higher. He also spoke of the threats he suffered when he kicked Ultras Sur out of the stadium.
In short, a loan of 575 million to be paid in 30 years, and three years of works
http://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2018/09/23/5ba79093468aeb764d8b4634.html
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What Real Madrid should have done was to buy Hazard.
can he defend? because we're 3 down thanks to horrible defense. Marcelo has been specially bad this season
Barca lost earlier too.
Hazard can do anything
It wasn't meant to be a serious commentFor what? He's got one year left on his deal and is now working with the coach who turned Higuain from a waste of talent into one of the 2-3 best #9 in the world. And then turned Dries Mertens into a goal machine. Imagine what Hazard is going to be this year...
And then we can sign him next summer after he's finally made the leap and become what we need
The leap was actually being made before Sarri came, he was playing and plays similarly under Roberto Martinez, the key is playing under an attacking manager and setup, he would have been close to the best player in the world this year at Madrid also.For what? He's got one year left on his deal and is now working with the coach who turned Higuain from a waste of talent into one of the 2-3 best #9 in the world. And then turned Dries Mertens into a goal machine. Imagine what Hazard is going to be this year...
And then we can sign him next summer after he's finally made the leap and become what we need
Casemiro aswell.
Still on the same points as Barca. We'll see.
Theyre not
No but he can score five. It's only the Spanish league.
They must be missing Ramos. They don't concede much when he's in the side.
Dunno, the player i saw at the world cup was still the same i saw at chelsea. Lacked end product. This season he's gonna be everything he's always been, but also one of the most productive players in Europe
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Lopetegui has to go, he's an even bigger error than Benitez. Not a single win against a strong opponent so far and I expect nothing different against Atletico on Saturday. This was an absolutely disastrous performance and inexcusable after the game against Bilbao (who lost at home 3-0 to Villareal today, so they aren't even that great). There is no hand writing of the coach visible at all, almost every player looks far from peak physical condition and tactically it looks like everyone does as he pleases.
Moreover he didn't give Carvajal and Marcelo any rest with the result that both are injured already. Guys like Odriozola, Reguilon, Fede Valverde or Vincius who all looked good on the tour hardly get any minutes. He is terrible at his job as a coach and as a motivator of people/leader of groups - just look at his time at Porto. Lopetegui isn't good enough/the right fit for Real Madrid and that won't chance, the sooner Florentino acts the better! I wouldn't mind if he gets sacked tonight, every match against a good, physical side will be a struggle with him...
Moreover he didn't give Carvajal and Marcelo any rest with the result that both are injured already. Guys like Odriozola, Reguilon, Fede Valverde or Vincius who all looked good on the tour hardly get any minutes. He is terrible at his job as a coach and as a motivator of people/leader of groups - just look at his time at Porto. Lopetegui isn't good enough/the right fit for Real Madrid and that won't chance, the sooner Florentino acts the better! I wouldn't mind if he gets sacked tonight, every match against a good, physical side will be a struggle with him...