Of all the foolish things to factor in this has to the most trivial. These guys haven't watched football long enough to get a feel for when a 'soccer' team is spiralling downwards. It also says they feel his CV has earned him time to turn things around. The same CV that contains several 3rd season meltdowns where he couldn't turn things round. That's it. I've given up on CL football next season
Because if you stick with Mourinho, you'd have to move Pogba, Alexis, Martial and probably Bailly? You'd spend the next transfer window in replacing those guys. And replacing them with better players will likely take two windows, or two years as you go with younger players who will need time to bed and develop. Then the following windows would be used to complete the team by moving and replacing the deadwood
I want Mourinho gone now, but at the same time I don't think it'll be all rosy either for this season or the next manager. I wanted LVG gone but I knew there were other problems. I wanted Moyes gone but I know the squad was terrible. I want Mourinho gone but I know nothing much will change with that only. I know some in those 3 situations have convinced themselves every time that once Moyes/LVG/Mourinho go everything will be fine. Well it's not.
I don't fully disagree. I think he could turn it around. Like you, I'm highly skeptical as to whether he'll be backed to do so. The likeliest scenario is that he'll be sacked as the pressure mounts with no public backing in the offing. But I wouldn't want a "future manager" in now. I'd want that manager to have time to prepare, to assess, to identify targets and not enter a co-dependent relationship with a variety of underperforming players or players that simply aren't good enough. So if they sack him, I'd rather just look at this season as a write off and see whether the club acquire footballing expertise and a structure befitting an ambitious club, whilst seeing which players look desperate to impress.
My opinion (worth "shite" as mancunians would say) is that if Mourinho was just not doing a good job with the squad, tactically or otherwise, i'd probably back him until the summer. But he has created a toxic atmosphere and it's fairly apparent that the squad is completely demoralized and not in the right frame of mind. That's over the top and he needs to go.
I'm not sure we'll have a title winning squad next season or the one after, regardless of who is manager. But I don't think Jose is that far off from having a team he trusts fully. 2-3 players. A centre back. A right wing option. And competition for Lukaku.
To me it reads like you are simply afraid of tomorrow, of course it's not going to be rosy but procrastinating won't make anything better, it's just going to make things that much harder. I say that based on the fact that you see the season as over.
Failure is a relative words. If finishind 2nd is a failure then we'd be sacking the next manager unless he won the league.
I'm not saying we should persist with Mourinho. It's one way down to hell from now and that's why he should go now.
It's still spurs and arsenal. They aren't going to finish on 80+ points
1) by january you might be out of the CL and out of top 4 race.I'm not sure we'll have a title winning squad next season or the one after, regardless of who is manager. But I don't think Jose is that far off from having a team he trusts fully. 2-3 players. A centre back. A right wing option. And competition for Lukaku.
If the club went all in to back him I think we could have a team in January that suits his methods. It's not least because I think we're not that far off from that that I think he can turn it around. It's mainly Pogba who is problematic of the three players you mention. If Martial leaves Sanchez is guaranteed game time, and vice versa. Bailly would stay and be helped by having a reliable centre back brought in IMV.
But this won't happen
The issue I have with that approach is that it was effectively what happened with Mourinho and it still took him 6-12 months to move on a bunch of players. I'd rather give a new manager time on the training ground to instill changes and identify problems now as opposed to having to do everything over the summer as LVG and Mourinho had to do at the start of their reigns.
Woodward is picking his replacement.
Checked the Sky Sports app at work this afternoon and nearly leaped out of my seat cause I saw breaking news and the word “sacked” and presumed it was José.
Would probably cause more arguments, who knows.
You are a cheat!
Sanchez is already guaranteed game time with or without Martial. If we are not far off from where he can turn it around to win titles, we shouldn't be getting outplayed by Wolves and play this amount of dreadful football Bastian. We are not playing like a team that needs quality touch ups but a team that needs full on rebuild.I'm not sure we'll have a title winning squad next season or the one after, regardless of who is manager. But I don't think Jose is that far off from having a team he trusts fully. 2-3 players. A centre back. A right wing option. And competition for Lukaku.
If the club went all in to back him I think we could have a team in January that suits his methods. It's not least because I think we're not that far off from that that I think he can turn it around. It's mainly Pogba who is problematic of the three players you mention. If Martial leaves Sanchez is guaranteed game time, and vice versa. Bailly would stay and be helped by having a reliable centre back brought in IMV.
But this won't happen
I don't think any move we make will be easy, for the record. I do think if we got a good offer for Pogba and sold him that it would immediately solve some serious problems.
Very good.
The players we lack are fundamental to the defensive backline and to the balance of our build up play IMV. So it takes 2-3 players which isn't a lot, but not having that balance and that solid back 4 is quite messy.
This actually reinforces the need to replace him now! Sack Mou now, and you pretty much have to hire Zizou. Wait for summer, and Welcome, Big Sam!
I think the last line is more telling though.
Essentially, the rope is long but not endless. If the current slump continues, then Ed will pull the trigger even if it's midseason.
What a load of rubbish
Our problems have nothing to do with the back 4 though, it's around the other goal that we are really shit.
I disagree. When he's not feeling up for it it's a bad influence for the whole team. Especially because he's the supposed talisman. If Mourinho would drop him then that would be used as the stick to beat him with while it would further cement the cliques in the dressing room. If he were off (for good money) we'd be without his undoubted talents but we'd have one less huge problem to solve. I don't think his mentality is anywhere near good enough and as far as I'm concerned he's an absolute wanker. An immensely talented wanker, but a wanker nonetheless.
Disagree with this also. I see what people refer to as the hand break in our setup being a way to mitigate the fact the manager doesn't have enough trust in his backline.
It's because in england, it's the excuse that poor managers use when they are sacked. It's not their fault, it's "player power".
Bayern Munchen are a well run club. Footballing expertise all over that place. Barcelona and Real Madrid are maybe more comparable, but the player power at Barca revolves around a consistently performing potentially GOAT player and at Madrid it was similar. You think Pogba's level of performances over the last 2 years would enable him to act like this at Madrid or Barca? I think he'd be booed by the fans.
Exactly. We are expecting reactions from club, players and staff as if SAF is running the club. Mou is polar opposite to Fergie in terms of his own behavior but we still want loyalty, backing the manager etc.
