Take a deep breath.
Sack Mourinho
Sign Howe
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Profit
Sign Howe
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Profit
Christ no.
Bournemouth recently lost 4-0 to fecking Burnley. They aren't even good enough going forward to put one past struggling Burnley - Howe has not got anywhere near the level of expeirence or savvy to manage a big club yet.
Bournemouth recently lost 4-0 to fecking Burnley. They aren't even good enough going forward to put one past struggling Burnley - Howe has not got anywhere near the level of expeirence or savvy to manage a big club yet.
If we were, we'd pick another manager with a decent CV in the past but on the downward spiral like Van Gaal and Mourinho. This would be a new direction.
We need someone the players would respect.
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He is a good manager and has done a very good job at Bournemouth.
One thing that struck me is that he takes on a huge amount himself. The way he described his day - he's up at about 5am editing video clips for players and basically works around the clock.
At a bigger club you have to delegate a massive workload and manage a large staff. Alex Ferguson was a master at doing this and as the years went by spent less and less time in the trenches.
There isn't much evidence to suggest Howe could be a success at a massive club. Though you couldn't categorically say he'd be a failure either.
Either way, I couldn't see him making any shortlist.
One thing that struck me is that he takes on a huge amount himself. The way he described his day - he's up at about 5am editing video clips for players and basically works around the clock.
At a bigger club you have to delegate a massive workload and manage a large staff. Alex Ferguson was a master at doing this and as the years went by spent less and less time in the trenches.
There isn't much evidence to suggest Howe could be a success at a massive club. Though you couldn't categorically say he'd be a failure either.
Either way, I couldn't see him making any shortlist.
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If we are looking for young faces, we need a strong DoF - like Marotta or Monchi
There should be a 'Team - Class of 92' button choice. ;-)
Always liked Ancelotti personally, but that is not happening.
Another stupid suggestion, those big players will just look at him and think "who the fook is he lol ha ha" he'd get bullied no way no chance need a strong figure for the dressing room someone they could say "wow this guys done it all he knows what he's talking about" ie ZIDANE.
If the club currently wanted to name a British coach as say an interim manager (in the event Mourinho is fired), I would say we promote Nicky Butt. No way I would hire Howe, Dyche, or Rodgers.
The only concern?
Not a chance. We need someone who has experience of managing big clubs and is currently in the habit of winning whilst playing attractive football. People underestimate the experience factor.
Someone like Jardim, Allegri, Low, Ancelloti, even Zidane (though he's a riskier option).
Someone like Jardim, Allegri, Low, Ancelloti, even Zidane (though he's a riskier option).
We need someone who gets the highest amount of respect, I have a feeling our players would walk all over Howe.
Feck me, we’ve really hit rock bottom when people honestly think Bournemouth’s manager would be an option. If our version of success is over achieving with a club with a smaller fan base, then I’d expect a long wait before success again. He’s a good manager, but he needs so much more top level experience before taking any top 8 job. Has he he even ever managed a team in Europe?
The only advantadge that I see in appoiting Howe is that he has more experience in managing teams with less technical resources.
I didn't agreed with Van Gaal or Mourinho. Those are managers that have enormous checklists for their methods to work, and our club in the current state doesn't tick many of their checklist boxes.
We would need someone who could adapt and overcome, not the other way arround.
Pleased to see that Southgate has signed a new contract. I have so little faith in the decision making of those at that top of the club that I wouldn't have been surprised if he had been in the frame when Mourinho gets his cards.
His pals Joan Laporta, Txiki Bergiristain and Ferran Soriano all departed the board to be replaced by Rossell and Bartomeu who piled up his workload so he found the job untenable.
Why do so many of you want Pochettino? He's got no experience when it comes to winning trophies and that'll be the expectation for a new manager I assume, to get United competing for the league and in Europe?
Still think Pochettino is the right man. I have doubts with his in game management but he's been with spurs for what last 5 years and have done a remarkable job both with senior and young players. He brings calmness to the dressing room and focus back on the pitch. Quite a decent man and hence the media wankefest will rest for a while. Give him the support and get the man the players he wants and i could see him doing well here.
Its a waste of time, as there is no chance to get him. He is going to be Leipzig coach next summer and nothing can change that.
I dont think hes best choice either, but I think he has to be mentioned because at least he's more likely to bring the players together and get a team playing football than what we have.
Pochettino - it has to be him. Improves the vast majority of players he works with, popular in the dressing room. Plays attractive football and has taken Spurs to a level above where they were when he arrived.
What's more, he has a level of dignity and professionalism that are fitting for the club. Whoever follows Mourinho, they are going to have to be more than just a better and more modern manager: they are also going to have to be a much more likeable personality to lift the mood around the club. Enough spite... eye-gougers and physio abusers need not apply.
What's more, he has a level of dignity and professionalism that are fitting for the club. Whoever follows Mourinho, they are going to have to be more than just a better and more modern manager: they are also going to have to be a much more likeable personality to lift the mood around the club. Enough spite... eye-gougers and physio abusers need not apply.
I think I already suggested Lucien Favre back when LvG was close to the end. Dortmund is currently flourishing under him, playing stuff similar to what has last been seen from them in 11-13. Notable results comprise a 7-0 trashing of Nürnberg, turning a 0-2 half time deficit against Leverkusen into a 4-2 win and the 3-0 win against Monaco yesterday after a goalless first half. Especially in the latter two games, Favre influenced the second half outcomes by impactful substitutions.
Howe? No chance, his football gets exposed too often.
There's more to it than just sacking Jose and hiring someone shiny and new. Like what do we do with Carrick and McKenna? We can't just discard them as we clearly have a vision for them to be involved with the first team.
We also can't expect the new manager to implement his style of football without his own backroom staff, unless it's the same style as Carrick and McKenna.
There's more to it than just sacking Jose and hiring someone shiny and new. Like what do we do with Carrick and McKenna? We can't just discard them as we clearly have a vision for them to be involved with the first team.
We also can't expect the new manager to implement his style of football without his own backroom staff, unless it's the same style as Carrick and McKenna.
It's incredible to think that Klopp was unemployed for a couple of years... Tuchel was too... Sarri was clearly on the way out (I mean they hired Ancelotti and you can't have two managers on the same team)... and we stuck with old-school, outdated managers like LVG and Mou.
Our best target I think would be Jardim. He won the league (no easy feat with PSG in the same league) and knocked out City.
Not sure why so many on here think we're getting Poch or ZZ lol. We might as well go after Pep if we're talking about impossible targets.
Our best target I think would be Jardim. He won the league (no easy feat with PSG in the same league) and knocked out City.
Not sure why so many on here think we're getting Poch or ZZ lol. We might as well go after Pep if we're talking about impossible targets.
If we are talking about appointing a manager within the next month or so then it would be Jardim at this point for me as well as I don't see potchettino as the type of manager to walk away from spurs in the middle of a season, jardim with the talent we have in our academy would be a exciting prospect.
I think Monaco should be doing it better. Even if they lose players every summer their squad is still better than many others. But it's just October, they're 8 points behind the european spots and there's the whole season ahead to get their goals. If people at our club thought Jardim is the best candidate for diverse reasons (style, mentality, character, achievements, or whatever) this shouldn't be a problem at all.
Personally he'd be my choice if I had to choose one. The man has showed along his career the ability to adapt, and play more positive or conservative football depending on resources or situations. He's not an attack or defense fundamentalist, the guy is a balanced coach with common sense and I'm fine with it.
Winning the league in that way with Monaco and reaching semifinals of CL was something remarkable. He knows to add balance to a team, and is flexible without losing his personality. The man is not afraid of working with young talented players, knows to develop them and exploit their talent. Discret, intelligent man, give him tools and resources and he'll do well.
Pochettino would be my second choice, but I admit that not winning anything, even a humble league cup makes me doubt a bit. I like his formula and how he executed it everywhere. The man can create here a strong, dynamic unit with bravery, and ability to put pressure and dominate teams. I'm sure that without the platform he's created at Spurs, the majority of their players wouldn't look as good as now. Signing a positive manager who can motivate the troops with a positive approach could be like signing 25 new players.
The problem for me, he looks a bit naive in the critical moments, in the biggest situations. You can't blame him for losing a tie against Juve or any other team with more resources. But they've found themselves in very good situations and they didn't know how to manage it. This is why I put Jardim over him, as he's a bit more of a "fox".
Another problem I see, we'd have to wait until next season so we need to stick with the clown for the whole year or appoint someone just as a temporary solution. I think it would be better to hire our next manager along this season, so he could analyze the squad and start the next one with some advantage. When we signed LVG he had to evaluate the players in some weeks and everything was a mess that summer.
Zidane is an interesting option as well, but I think Real and this current United team would be very different jobs, so we need to be careful. There he had an already built team, with world class players everywhere and experienced leaders. He had to manage what he found and did it very well, but never had to get dirty building anything. He was actually very protective with that bunch and even refused a pair of signings to encourage his players. When he thought a rebuild was needed he ran away waving the white flag.
And I rate Zidane because he's an intelligent football man, with a calm charisma and a balanced personality. He knows what's needed to win the biggest trophies, and knows to communicate with the modern footballer. This is why I leave the door open for him, but at Real I saw him more as a supporting figure, like the chauffeur of the limousine, while I think we need something different. Maybe he comes and shows the ability to face everything with ease, I don't know. But it gives me more confidence at the moment to sign a more humble profile, a good one I mean, with more dirty work at his back.
Personally he'd be my choice if I had to choose one. The man has showed along his career the ability to adapt, and play more positive or conservative football depending on resources or situations. He's not an attack or defense fundamentalist, the guy is a balanced coach with common sense and I'm fine with it.
Winning the league in that way with Monaco and reaching semifinals of CL was something remarkable. He knows to add balance to a team, and is flexible without losing his personality. The man is not afraid of working with young talented players, knows to develop them and exploit their talent. Discret, intelligent man, give him tools and resources and he'll do well.
Pochettino would be my second choice, but I admit that not winning anything, even a humble league cup makes me doubt a bit. I like his formula and how he executed it everywhere. The man can create here a strong, dynamic unit with bravery, and ability to put pressure and dominate teams. I'm sure that without the platform he's created at Spurs, the majority of their players wouldn't look as good as now. Signing a positive manager who can motivate the troops with a positive approach could be like signing 25 new players.
The problem for me, he looks a bit naive in the critical moments, in the biggest situations. You can't blame him for losing a tie against Juve or any other team with more resources. But they've found themselves in very good situations and they didn't know how to manage it. This is why I put Jardim over him, as he's a bit more of a "fox".
Another problem I see, we'd have to wait until next season so we need to stick with the clown for the whole year or appoint someone just as a temporary solution. I think it would be better to hire our next manager along this season, so he could analyze the squad and start the next one with some advantage. When we signed LVG he had to evaluate the players in some weeks and everything was a mess that summer.
Zidane is an interesting option as well, but I think Real and this current United team would be very different jobs, so we need to be careful. There he had an already built team, with world class players everywhere and experienced leaders. He had to manage what he found and did it very well, but never had to get dirty building anything. He was actually very protective with that bunch and even refused a pair of signings to encourage his players. When he thought a rebuild was needed he ran away waving the white flag.
And I rate Zidane because he's an intelligent football man, with a calm charisma and a balanced personality. He knows what's needed to win the biggest trophies, and knows to communicate with the modern footballer. This is why I leave the door open for him, but at Real I saw him more as a supporting figure, like the chauffeur of the limousine, while I think we need something different. Maybe he comes and shows the ability to face everything with ease, I don't know. But it gives me more confidence at the moment to sign a more humble profile, a good one I mean, with more dirty work at his back.
I think Zidane will be the chosen one: he's a legend of this sport which will make the players respect him a lot, and he has an amazing CV both as player and manager.
P.S. People are fogetting Big Sam!
P.S. People are fogetting Big Sam!
Well maybe try to find the next guy in the Klopp/Tuchel/Nagelsmann mould?
How about the 35 year old guy at Werder Bremen? He seems to be doing a great job.
The football he plays is most certainly what we don't want to see at the club.
I think Bayern stealing Dortmund's thunder had a lot to do with it. What's the point of challenging a major power when they will buy your whole team if required to keep the monopoly?
After realising second was the best they could achieve, Dortmund players seemed like shadows of themselves that season. Of course, such a good roster wouldn't be down forever, so they made a partial recovery. Nowhere near what it was in Klopp's days though.
P.S. The thread is important but the poll is seriously outdated. Can the mods do anything about it?
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My post below was going to go in the Eddie Howe thread :
He's done very well with Bournemouth. I find the arguments of "bad signings" and "hasn't won anything" quite harsh.
He only really brought in Ake last season along with Begovic, who you'd argue are two good signings. This season Lerma was the big buy at 25m but he seems important to a Bournemouth side that have made a good start to the season.
He did a good job offloading afobe to Wolves for £10m and Lewis Grabban for £6m. His net spend is very small and yet he stays in the Premier League season upon season.
I think Bournemouth are a typical side that would or should be favourites for relegation each season because the squad is so substandard. But Howe tends to perform admirably with good football.
Clubs tend to spend a lot more than he has and yet, since promoting Bournemouth to the Premier League he had them finishing 16th in their debut year, 9th the next and 12th last year (two points off 8th). That's pretty fecking impressive. Worthy of a punt at a better club anyway.
He's done very well with Bournemouth. I find the arguments of "bad signings" and "hasn't won anything" quite harsh.
He only really brought in Ake last season along with Begovic, who you'd argue are two good signings. This season Lerma was the big buy at 25m but he seems important to a Bournemouth side that have made a good start to the season.
He did a good job offloading afobe to Wolves for £10m and Lewis Grabban for £6m. His net spend is very small and yet he stays in the Premier League season upon season.
I think Bournemouth are a typical side that would or should be favourites for relegation each season because the squad is so substandard. But Howe tends to perform admirably with good football.
Clubs tend to spend a lot more than he has and yet, since promoting Bournemouth to the Premier League he had them finishing 16th in their debut year, 9th the next and 12th last year (two points off 8th). That's pretty fecking impressive. Worthy of a punt at a better club anyway.
Sounds very like Moyes then
Howe gets his side playing good football though. He could be a manager who has no problems making the step up to a bigger club, like Poch for example.
Also whilst Moyes did well with Everton I don't think he'd keep an Everton side relevant in the mix in today's era of spending whilst keeping his net spend to around £20m or whatever Howe's is at Bournemouth.
He could be a car crash like Moyes as he could be like Poch. At least Poch shown he could take the next level at Spurs from Soton. I dont want United being Howe's pet project if he could make it or not.
I think Howe spent is much more than Moyes already. If Moyes can do much better with much smaller budget than Howe i dont think thats a good sign for Howe.
I thought the same but had that view challenged recently by @Will Dance For Chocolate and some great points were made that changed my perceptions a bit on Howe. Also his other posts in that thread gave me new respect for Howe.
I understand the sentiments that Howe might be overawed by the United job. However, I think we're in a new era where the most successful coaches in the world are much younger than 10, 20 years ago. We'd have all said the opposite about Mourinho but he's seemingly lost the dressing room, as did LVG before him. Times have changed. I think we've been burned by our experiences with Moyes.
Bournemouth's occasional capitulation would definitely concern me about Howe but at least he's positive. His teams play with flying wingers and often 2 up front which is not the norm these days but is fairly close to 'the United way'.
He's young, emotionally intelligent, good with the media and someone who I think our fans would get behind personality wise. We've had 3 super dour managers in a row and he's far from that. He also coaches and develops players well which is something I think we've really lacked. Most of our players have got worse rather than better but the opposite is true at Bournemouth. Several of their key PL players came up the leagues with them.
Let him make that step at a smaller club, like West Ham or Leicester or Newcastle, not at Manchester United.