Frenkie de Jong| Off to Barca - Confirmed

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Good that he got the chance to show himself yesterday against a big team after being injured for the Ajax - Bayern match. Looked completely shot after 70 minutes or so.

This is pretty much the trademark Frenkie de Jong move, it's these little moments that make Ajax fans wax lyrical about the kid.

If he would do that under Mourinho he would be so fecked))))
 

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Good that he got the chance to show himself yesterday against a big team after being injured for the Ajax - Bayern match. Looked completely shot after 70 minutes or so.

This is pretty much the trademark Frenkie de Jong move, it's these little moments that make Ajax fans wax lyrical about the kid.

Look at that acceleration! I love players like him who make the game look easy.
 

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Less risk with Frenkie, last year's dribble completion was 93.4%, pass completion 91.4% and he doesn't like sideways.

He pulled the same trick as in the game against France. For France, and other teams, the first rule now seems to be: make sure Frenkie doesn't get the ball. So he's marked or the passing lines to him are marked. Against France, the solution was found at half-time, against Germany after 20 minutes.

He left his position on midfield (which was between left and center midfield) and started wandering. He was all over the field. The marking follows like a magnet, but less accurately and eventually half-assed. Then he gets the ball and exploits the space left behind by the markers.

The video above is a perfect example of it. Picking up the ball like a center back. Immediate pressure. Forward ball. And there he is at right offensive midfield, marking couldn't keep up, he sees the runner and sets it up with another forward pass.

Frenkie the Wanderer. Let's see how this plays out and if they have an answer.
 
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He is exactly what we need me thinks. Get him and a CB in January.
 

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While it is nice play, hes not much of a ball winner. Neither does he have the physicality that sees Matic and Fellaini selected as our DM and not Ander.

So if we played him as our DM you can expect to see Fellaini or Matic selected in the same lineup while Mourinho is manager. Alternatively he might be pushed into a normal CM role rather than a DM one.

Also we're talking about a league where statistically Daley Blind is performing just as well as him and was better than him against Germany. Perhaps that also says something about Blind being underused and underrated, but considering Mourinho wasnt keen on giving him many chances it doesnt fill me with confidence that he's such a great player that he could overcome Mourinho's stubbornness to stick with physical players.

Look at Fred, we paid a lot for him, he finally had his best game even getting on the scoresheet and then he's out of the team. What would be so different with De Jong?
 
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He is exactly what we need me thinks. Get him and a CB in January.
Absolutely no chance Ajax will sell their best player in January. And then come the summer I'd imagine a bidding war from the likes of PSG, Barca will happen so chances of getting him very slim.
 

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I like him. Justified hype unlike De Ligt.
de ligt had a bad night. But I think he cant play alongside Van Dijk. At Ajax he is the boss. He rules the defense. Yesterday Van Dijk was doing doing that and De Ligt seemed at a loss.
 

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Great player, too bad there is a below 0% chance he would move to United even if you'd pay him top $
 

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de ligt had a bad night. But I think he cant play alongside Van Dijk. At Ajax he is the boss. He rules the defense. Yesterday Van Dijk was doing doing that and De Ligt seemed at a loss.
Werner's pace troubled him, a few passes in behind De Ligt found him in dangerous situations. Had a nice tackle on Sane when he was running him though
 

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de ligt had a bad night. But I think he cant play alongside Van Dijk. At Ajax he is the boss. He rules the defense. Yesterday Van Dijk was doing doing that and De Ligt seemed at a loss.
In the Eredivisie you mean. I have not seen much to justify the unbeliveable hype. Some consider him the best young defender in the world, some hype him as one of the best defenders in the world and I have seen and heared statements that refer to him as guaranteed 'future world class top 10 defender, if not already one' which is imo, sodding ridiculous.
 
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Beautiful to watch. Would be shocked if city weren't in if they are in for Neves type player. He looks really good.
City are in for him as are Barcelona. There may be other late entries to the chase yet to show their hand so looks like Ajax are going to be in receipt of some serious funds in the next year or two especially with de Ligt also impressing many.




Frenkie de Jong vs Germany


77 minutes

51 passes

94% pass accuracy

1 key pass

2 dribbles won

2 tackles won

2 clearances

1 aerial won
 
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In the Eredivisie you mean. I have not seen much to justify the unbeliveable hype. Some consider him the best young defender in the world, some hype him as one of the best defenders in the world and I have seen and heared statements that refer to him as guaranteed 'future world class top 10 defender, if not already one' which is imo, sodding ridiculous.
The hype is probably ott, but the lad turned 19 two months ago and is already a regular for both club and country! Also captain for his club. How many other cbs have been at that level at that age?
 

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Absolutely no chance Ajax will sell their best player in January. And then come the summer I'd imagine a bidding war from the likes of PSG, Barca will happen so chances of getting him very slim.
Stuff like this have been said about a few guys before then somehow its Dortmund or a another club just below the top clubs that manage to get ahold of them. Maybe that is because they aren't ready or maybe because they are promised other things than money. You never know is my point, however unlikely it may seem.
 

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In the Eredivisie you mean. I have not seen much to justify the unbeliveable hype. Some consider him the best young defender in the world, some hype him as one of the best defenders in the world and I have seen and heared statements that refer to him as guaranteed 'future world class top 10 defender, if not already one' which is imo, sodding ridiculous.
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Lewandowski - bayern

he was fantastic in the EL semifinal vs Lyon at home at just 17, but can't find the personal highlights of that anymore now

He's been amazing in every game for Holland except his debut at 17 vs Bulgaria, and last night, an off night.

He's Ajax man of the match in pretty much every European game (and most games in general)
 

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Stuff like this have been said about a few guys before then somehow its Dortmund or a another club just below the top clubs that manage to get ahold of them. Maybe that is because they aren't ready or maybe because they are promised other things than money. You never know is my point, however unlikely it may seem.
Ajax will almost certainly qualify for the knock out stage of the CL.
Stuff like this have been said about a few guys before then somehow its Dortmund or a another club just below the top clubs that manage to get ahold of them. Maybe that is because they aren't ready or maybe because they are promised other things than money. You never know is my point, however unlikely it may seem.
Ajax will almost certainly qualify for the knock out stage of the CL. No way they will sell players in January
 

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Ajax will almost certainly qualify for the knock out stage of the CL.

Ajax will almost certainly qualify for the knock out stage of the CL. No way they will sell players in January
Is that even if they could buy replacement? even add on the squad?
 

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While it is nice play, hes not much of a ball winner. Neither does he have the physicality that sees Matic and Fellaini selected as our DM and not Ander.

So if we played him as our DM you can expect to see Fellaini or Matic selected in the same lineup while Mourinho is manager. Alternatively he might be pushed into a normal CM role rather than a DM one.

Also we're talking about a league where statistically Daley Blind is performing just as well as him and was better than him against Germany. Perhaps that also says something about Blind being underused and underrated, but considering Mourinho wasnt keen on giving him many chances it doesnt fill me with confidence that he's such a great player that he could overcome Mourinho's stubbornness to stick with physical players.

Look at Fred, we paid a lot for him, he finally had his best game even getting on the scoresheet and then he's out of the team. What would be so different with De Jong?
Don't worry; we won't sign him, and he won't join us. Neither parties fits the other here.

There's a reason City and Barcelona lead the chase. It'll be a team like that he ends up at.
 

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Is that even if they could buy replacement? even add on the squad?
This is a very exciting young Ajax team. Blind and Tadic have added some experience that they missed last year. i cant see them getting the same quality replacements
 

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The type of player we miss out on and Barca or City will buy. We have such a global scouting network yet fail to identify proper targets.
 

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The type of player we miss out on and Barca or City will buy. We have such a global scouting network yet fail to identify proper targets.
In the current state we are in, we would miss out on him anyway, even if we were heavily interested.
 

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Great player, too bad there is a below 0% chance he would move to United even if you'd pay him top $
Baseless, throwaway comments like this remind of when a poster here once said there was a better chance of signing Messi than Gundogan.
 

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Is that even if they could buy replacement? even add on the squad?
Nah, no chance. Van der Sar and Overmars would put their own jobs on the line. Ajax hasn't won the Dutch League in 4 years, they have plenty of money in the bank already, and there's alot of pressure on the club to succeed. Selling their best player mid season would turn the supporters against them.
 

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The type of player we miss out on and Barca or City will buy. We have such a global scouting network yet fail to identify proper targets.
I think it's more down to what these targets prefer. Top talents around seem to be drawn to Barcelona and Real Madrid first and foremost, and thats been the case for ages. Not much our scouts, Woodward or manager can do about it.
 

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Good that he got the chance to show himself yesterday against a big team after being injured for the Ajax - Bayern match. Looked completely shot after 70 minutes or so.

This is pretty much the trademark Frenkie de Jong move, it's these little moments that make Ajax fans wax lyrical about the kid.

Matic tries to do just that tho :confused:, albeit unsuccessfully most of the times.
Matic has done that many times (take the ball from deep and turn). He's really good at shielding the ball under pressure and opening the pitch for himself. The problem is Mourinho never instructs/coaches our players to move more intelligently and let's be honest, that kind of one touch football would break once it gets to Lukaku.

He holds on the ball no doubt but more than half the reason is because he wants to find a better option than simply laying it off (where it will inevitably break down/come back to him).
 

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Matic has done that many times (take the ball from deep and turn). He's really good at shielding the ball under pressure and opening the pitch for himself. The problem is Mourinho never instructs/coaches our players to move more intelligently and let's be honest, that kind of one touch football would break once it gets to Lukaku.

He holds on the ball no doubt but more than half the reason is because he wants to find a better option than simply laying it off (where it will inevitably break down/come back to him).
It's on the coaching. You didn't have to bring Lukaku into it. He is not the only one that holds unto the ball.
 

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In the Eredivisie you mean. I have not seen much to justify the unbeliveable hype. Some consider him the best young defender in the world, some hype him as one of the best defenders in the world and I have seen and heared statements that refer to him as guaranteed 'future world class top 10 defender, if not already one' which is imo, sodding ridiculous.
He’s a few years younger, but Joe Gomez is infinitely more talented. De Ligt is a cumbersome Harry Maguire type who’ll become very good, but not elite.
 

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He’s a few years younger, but Joe Gomez is infinitely more talented. De Ligt is a cumbersome Harry Maguire type who’ll become very good, but not elite.
what on earth makes De Ligt a Maguire type?
 

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He’s a few years younger, but Joe Gomez is infinitely more talented. De Ligt is a cumbersome Harry Maguire type who’ll become very good, but not elite.
Maguire isn't anywhere near as talented as De Ligt is. De Ligt is excelling for his national team and against Champions League opponents at an age when Maguire was playing in League One. He's actually very solid on the ball aswell, that's why he's linked to Barcelona.
 
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According to Sky, City have made a big offer for him.
They would be dumb not to to be honest, just like Barca. He is the perfect Pep/Barca midfielder. He will be a big hit wherever he goes, although my guess is it will be between them both, depending on who pays more/is more interested.
 

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He’s a few years younger, but Joe Gomez is infinitely more talented. De Ligt is a cumbersome Harry Maguire type who’ll become very good, but not elite.
:houllier: Joe Gomez? infinitely more talented? Have a day off.
 

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Here's Overmars trolling the suitors at midnight of the last transfer deadline.

 
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