Anyone know why he didn't go to Barcelona this summer? Vaguely remember him being constantly linked.
Frenkie de Jong| Off to Barca - Confirmed
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What about in terms of potential?
Frenkie vs Neves: the latter would cost much more, but is he more talented?
Just says we have concrete interest but Real Madrid appear to be leading the race with an 80 million potential deal. It's a bit of a shite article as it also claims City, PSG , Barcelona and Spurs have interest.I can't read Dutch, can you translate the article
wow, and I thought I'd never see a player similar to Rosický! He looks class and for class players we always have space.
Dutch/Flemish is very similar to German. My girlfriend understands all the conversations I have with my family and she's from Dortmund and I am from Belgium.
I've always thought Dutch and German were quite similar glad to know I wasn't imagining it.
Sometimes you have to guess a little but as the word roots are often similar or identical it is not very difficult to deduct the meaning. Like "zaakwaarnemer" for example. The literal German equivalent would be "Sachwahrnehmer". I don't think that's a word but I would certainly understand its meaning if someone used it. And from the context it's pretty clear that it means agent.
I agree, he'd be best off with Pep at City, but he's a big Barca fan and dreams of playing with Messi, which is only possible at Barca and only still right now really
I have to watch him more. Enormous talent apparently but in the few games that I watched him, I wasn't really impressed...
We declined all their offers.
If Ten Hag keeps playing him as a centre half his price will eventuqlly drop. Had a mare there against Luuk de Jong yesterday.
Its mind boggling he's played there. The kid weighs like 2 stone (is that light? No clue about that weird weight unit).
Its mind boggling he's played there. The kid weighs like 2 stone (is that light? No clue about that weird weight unit).
He's the reason why I'm not concerned about the Pogba rumours. It's a no brainer for them and he actually fills an urgent need while Pogba isn't an obvious fit with Coutinho playing that Iniesta role.
English and German kind of make up Dutch. I dont speak Dutch but I speak both German and English and find it easy to read . That cant be said about the spoken language.
I hope we get this kid but atm everything is so negative around our club I am not really optimistic about it .
It's Matic replacement, I think Frenkie De Jong may be not considered if Andreas performs better above average DLP we would have expected from him.
I'd be shocked if he ended up here, and not just because Mourinho likes big guy, Mourinho also liked Modric and Fabregas, he has an appreciation for this kind of CM as well, but right now the image around how we play is dire and he'll have so may options with teams that play a more fluid and attractive style that suits his game.
I actually wonder if he might decide to avoid the PL completely given his stature, as it is still the most lump kickingly, unprotective league of Europe's big 5.
I actually wonder if he might decide to avoid the PL completely given his stature, as it is still the most lump kickingly, unprotective league of Europe's big 5.
Personally I think they'd be brilliant together, Neves as the #6 and de Jong as the #8 ahead of him, kinda like how Neves and Moutinho play. I think in the PL de Jong would have to operate as a #8 with a more physical player behind him regardless, much like Jorginho has Kante or how even Pep uses Fernandinho behind Silva and De Bruyne.
People are talking here like he would actually join us at this point in time, there's no chance, this kid will have his pick of the bunch. He's a quality player, him and de Ligt won't be at Ajax for much longer.
Top quality player. The way he drives with the ball from deep is already at a high level.
De Jong, De Ligt and Neres for 100m sounds like a good deal.
I would play De Jong as a sweeper or deep lying playmaker and Neres would rejuvenate our RW and De Ligt would strengthen our defense.
I would play De Jong as a sweeper or deep lying playmaker and Neres would rejuvenate our RW and De Ligt would strengthen our defense.
Bids Ajax rejected this summer (unconfirmed ofcourse)
De Ligt- 60m euro's (City)
Neres- 28m euro's (Dortmund)
F. de Jong- 30m euro's (Barca)
I don't think 100m would be enough
De Ligt and De Jong are the real deal. I'm not at all convinced by David Neres. Everytime I watch Ajax play he's the odd man out. It looks flashy, but compared to the guys around him, meh. I'd sell him for 28 million in a heartbeat if I were Ajax.
Dutch media now reporting Barcelona are willing to pay 80 million for Frenkie.
Dutch media now reporting Barcelona are willing to pay 80 million for Frenkie.
I disagree. Tagliafico is not in the top 3, he's a good right back but hardly world class. Ziyech is third best. A very fine attacking and creative player, but he will never play for the likes of Barca or Manchester United. The top two will. Two is De Ligt, excellent defender and as Arie Haan said, perhaps a more complete version of Beckenbauer. Buy him and you have a central defender position solved for the next 15 years with world class. Comparing him to De Jong is like comparing Ramos to Modric. Both excellent in their position, but yeah, Modric is the better player. De Jong is similarly way beyond. That kind of vision into time, space and the 22 players moving in it is very very rare. Cruyff, Zidane, Iniesta, Aimar spring to mind. It makes a whole team operate better. (Not a guarantee for complete success though, e.g. Aimar never played for the biggest clubs). His international debut games were very impressive in this matter - he came on and a defeat became a win. Against France, his first full start, it was the question how he'd cope with the likes Griezman, Pogba and Kanté, the big boys. That question wasn't answered, as Griezman and Pogba were instructed to cope with him instead, sacrificing themselves to defend passing lines to De Jong, so he would get less on the ball. It was weird to see such big players defending a newbie defensive midfielder. That didn't really work. It was very impressive. He still has a lot to prove and improve, despite the hype (which I'm contributing too, but you just can't help falling in love with such a player), so I hope he stays one or two years at Ajax. Ajax youngsters often have a setback or dip in form, it's better to experience it there and get over it, then going to Barca, have it there, and be sold.
I Imagine we are being used to ramp up the Barca price, as per. That being said, I would love him to improve our distribution from deep. Would get the ball moving much quicker back there.
"Perhaps a more complete version of Beckenbauer."
This is why no one likes an Ajax fan. Be-have. Guys like Sjaak Swart and Arie Haan should do comedy, not serious football analyses.
He might be a faster defender than Der Kaizer, but the fact he can't actually defend well sets him back a bit imho.
This is why no one likes an Ajax fan. Be-have. Guys like Sjaak Swart and Arie Haan should do comedy, not serious football analyses.
He might be a faster defender than Der Kaizer, but the fact he can't actually defend well sets him back a bit imho.
Correction, Tagliafico is left back of course.
I know fans of smaller clubs like Feyenoord automatically hate everything about Ajax, just like ManUtd supporters endure it in England, but you really shouldn't take it here, we're guests here. I respect Van Hanegem, you should respect Sjakie.
I thought that was a bit over the top.He was talking about de Ligt not de Jong but yeah it still made me laugh tbf.
https://www.ajaxshowtime.com/article/opinie/109152/haan-de-jong-betere-versie-van-beckenbauer
Eh, he said it about De Jong for sure, perhaps De Ligt too?
I do think De Jong is fecking amazing by the way, just not as a central defender. Ajax fans should kick Ten Hag out if he persists with this folly.
Who is the bigger talent between Ruben Neves and Frenkie de Jong ? I prefer Neves, since he looks at home in the PL, while I've seen very little of de Jong.
I don't hate Ajax at all, love watching em play as they're a joy to watch. Especially when you're used to the dross Feyenoord produce
Van Hanegem, like Swart are fans and should be treated a such when speaking on their clubs. I respect these guys for what they've done on the pitch, not for their opinion on football. Neither should I have to, especially when they say dumb things like Frenkie is a more complete Beckenbauer.
Arie Haan: 3x European Club, 2x European Supercup, 1x Intercontinental Cup, 2x UEFA Cup Winners' Cup, two World Cup finals, has played against Beckenbauer.
Some guy on redcafe: His opinion is dumb
Yeah I know which opinion I attach more value to
Some guy on redcafe: His opinion is dumb
Yeah I know which opinion I attach more value to
I think he plays in midfield when both De Ligt and Blind are available. When Blind wasnt there, he played as a CB. Then he moved to midfield. Now that De Ligt missed a few games, he went back to CB. I think he will play in midfield normally, but as a CB if someone is missing.
If Herrera never played for us again all season we wouldn’t be short in midfield.
This, if he's anything like Busquets or Iniesta Barcelona will be all over him.
If we have Ajax x amount for De Ligt, De Jong and Neres would be a great investment.
You bring a nigh irrefutable argument, yet I'd like to propose the following question: do you believe that Frenkie de Jong is a more complete version of Franz Beckenbauer?Arie Haan: 3x European Club, 2x European Supercup, 1x Intercontinental Cup, 2x UEFA Cup Winners' Cup, two World Cup finals, has played against Beckenbauer.
Some guy on redcafe: His opinion is dumb
Yeah I know which opinion I attach more value to
Fellow Dutchies. Play nice.
No, Frenkie isn't a more complete player of FB. Frenkie is Frenkie. And Frenkie is a really big talent with a bright future. But let's wait and see how bright. We've seen way too many players who were hyped like Frenkie ending up somewhere in the desert.
Yeah no worries, just trying to have an actual debate, I've ommitted the whom I support on most Dutch websites, because it instantly gets you the hater tag from oppo's. My fellow Feyenoord fans think I'm a complete moron for actually enjoying Ajax destroying AEK Athene for instance. I love football in general more than any one club. Call me plastic, call me Switserland or call me Sandy for all I care, but I'm not saying this from a spiteful perspective, just trying to get that across.
I think Frenkie is amazing by the way. Just sad to see him being wasted in defense. Obviously he's playing there to fill in for an injured De Ligt, but after spending 60 (?) million you'd think they have an actual defender to back up the first two? Apparently Wöber is so bad, that he's not trusted, but didn't Ten Hag know that this summer? Why did he let Viergever go? Ofcourse Viergever is a dime a dozen player, but at least he's a defender. Ajax' approach is admirable, but so terribly naive. You need a few big dum (misspelling this word is amazing) logs at the back to defend. There's no shame in that. PSV beat Ajax by literally hoofing the ball to Luuk de Jong for 90 minutes. They did it simply because it worked so well. He often won duels without even jumping. It was painful to watch, especially, because Ajax has a far more talented squad than PSV.
In the end Ajax well being is linked to our national teams well being, because Ajax provide most of our national team's players, so seeing that sad Pep-lookalike Ten Hag, butcher his talents grieves me. Not because they drop points in the league, I love Ajax dropping points domestically, but because it's bad for their development.
I think Frenkie is amazing by the way. Just sad to see him being wasted in defense. Obviously he's playing there to fill in for an injured De Ligt, but after spending 60 (?) million you'd think they have an actual defender to back up the first two? Apparently Wöber is so bad, that he's not trusted, but didn't Ten Hag know that this summer? Why did he let Viergever go? Ofcourse Viergever is a dime a dozen player, but at least he's a defender. Ajax' approach is admirable, but so terribly naive. You need a few big dum (misspelling this word is amazing) logs at the back to defend. There's no shame in that. PSV beat Ajax by literally hoofing the ball to Luuk de Jong for 90 minutes. They did it simply because it worked so well. He often won duels without even jumping. It was painful to watch, especially, because Ajax has a far more talented squad than PSV.
In the end Ajax well being is linked to our national teams well being, because Ajax provide most of our national team's players, so seeing that sad Pep-lookalike Ten Hag, butcher his talents grieves me. Not because they drop points in the league, I love Ajax dropping points domestically, but because it's bad for their development.
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