But that is EXACTLY what you did! Jesus Christ. You literally cherrypicked the players who support your point as opposed to the players who are actually, y'know, playing regularly and are core important players.
Using squad players to make the point, new lows every day.
Yes because he fell out with Pepe. Abit like how we see Bailly not playing now. Like that.
They all are part of the squad who don't play regularly. Why stop there, go on and name all the reserves and U18 players too.
The point was that players like Matic, Willian or Kante are clearly not presented by the scouts. And that, contrary to what you and cheeky say, apparently the manager can actually play a part in trying to make deala happen, for example, by contacting a player he wants. So there has to be some blame on him for the failed signings, blame you desperately try to exonerate him from.
They play regularly enough to be considered part of the regular selection.
Who the feck said he was blameless? No cnut. He’s just not the only problem. And “you lot” need to stop acting like getting rid of him will solve all our problems.
And what's the reason for underperforming Jose signings?
Jón Guðni Fjóluson apparently
No I picked the players who were fecking there and used regularly. Ffs.
fecking ask them.
And you lot should stop acting like the club will shut down if Jose is sacked. There are plenty of coaches who can do better job. FFS, you don't even have to check whole Europe, just check in league. How many coaches have already made their impact on the playing squad.
I’m not, I’m acting very fecking clearly like Jose isn’t the only problem. But “you lot” keep moving goal posts, cherry picking facts and flat out putting shit in my posts I never said. Here’s the first thing you got wrong, I never said Jose shouldn’t be sacked. In fact I said I didn’t give a shit one way or the other.
What was the criteria then? Why wasn't Pogba included? Or Matic? Not regular enough? Sanchez? Lindelöf, Bailly? All of these players play vastly more than Phil Jones.
Yeah it's "Us" who are moving the goal posts, not someone who blamed woodward, players, scouting and many more.
Shame we didn't sign 20 new outfield players and 2 new back up keepers. It's all players fault.
We’re you dropped as a kid? Seriously, you have to on the fecking wum. No one can be this thick. I don’t know, why didn’t I mention matic as someone who played for more than one manager here? Why didn’t I pick pogba for someone that played for more than one manger here(not including his first spell here of course)? You tell me, why would I not include players that didn’t play for lvg or moyes to discredit the argument that only 2 or 3 players have played under the 3 managers we have had since saf left?
No, you are acting like everything is someone else's fault and occasiomally you throw in a token 'Jose isn't blameless' to appear more reasonable. But when it comes to discussing actual things, you blame everyone but him.
So then you were cherry picking players to make a point, thanks for admitting that.
Yes it is you. Because according to “you lot” Jose is in charge of everything. He scouts hundreds of thousands of players every year. He approaches all the players, and the clubs, and the agents. And he makes all the deals. And he set all the wages. And he cuts the grass to short and he doesn’t say thank you to the tea lady.
Or I’ll just put you on ignore because you’re clearly a fecking wum and wasting my time with a bullshit argument that you can’t even follow yourself. You take care, princess.
Who is responsible for coaching the team into "Team"? Is Woodward running the training too? Why is that we can't string couple of passes together and plays like cowards? Why is that we drop so deep and our team have such a shit workrate? Is that because of Woodward or how Jose sets up the team?Yes it is you. Because according to “you lot” Jose is in charge of everything. He scouts hundreds of thousands of players every year. He approaches all the players, and the clubs, and the agents. And he makes all the deals. And he set all the wages. And he cuts the grass to short and he doesn’t say thank you to the tea lady.
So you’re argument is that Moyes, then lvg, then Jose all had 100% control of all aspects of the running of the club. So no one else shares any of the blame for anything that has happened. Not least of all the man who said “I won’t invest 300 million to move up one place”. You’re right, that same man picked 3 duds in row, but I have a feeling it’s goimg to be 4th time lucky.
wrong
It's a very hard concept. People have this fantasy that every coach will get his won brand new squad. No club operates like that. I don't think any club will even make so many signings just because manager wanted them.
Sweet, finally you admitted you have no argument whatsoever.
And when these arguments happen, it's always Jones or even Darmian who het brought up, players who barely ever play! And they include Fellaini, too, one of Mourinho's favourites!
So, we’re just ignoring that I said Jose doesn’t matter? We’re just gonna keep on trucking with the same merry ground of bullshit? Moyes failed. Lvg failed. Jose this season has failed. His football has been not great for the 3 years he has been here, but I can’t say he failed. He won shit. This season we have fallen apart. Is that down to Jose? I don’t know. I can’t honestly say that a lot of those players would be any better under anyone else, can you? But what I can say for absolute fact is that there is far more wrong here than just one man and his tactics. It can’t be just moyes, just lvg and just Jose. If nothing else, it has to be the guy who picked three shit managers in a row. The man who over pays shit players so we can’t get rid of them.
Getting rid of Woodward has nothing to do with the man responsible for coaching this team. What you said is true, we have more problems than Jose, doesn't mean we shouldn't sack him. It's not like any external factors are stopping him from coaching his team to play as a team.
Why did he drop Pepe? Because he fell out with him he was his go to go before that.
Still haven't answered my question,who was our first choice for Pogba,Ibra and Lukaku? I don't buy your crap because it completely contradicts what Jose himself said. Jose himself said he had 4 targets and confirmed he had gotten them.You a random bloke on the Internet keep saying it's now a 'list of possible targets' basing your evidence on the fact. that we enquired about some dreamworld signings and specifically single out all his crap signings as 4th choices. Do you realise how stupid you make Jose sound telling us Varane was his first choice, who the feck is going to sell him to us? What about Bale?We've enquired about him before he must have been first choice for...Sanchez??He should go for Ramos, Kompany and Pique as well then. Next you'll be telling us Kane was first choice to Lukaku because we made enquiries. What sort of bollock logic is that? You've gone from defending Jose to painting him as an idiot who doesn't know what kind of players to target who are attainable
Ignored what ?
It's definitely the ideal considering the ripped some of the best success ever thanks to it. The season they won the league and CL double they had 2 teams not just one, and they were playing second string in the league to secure it while keeping their main players rested for CL, that level of squad depth is something not many clubs can dream of.
It's really weird you accused me previously of not reading while you're clearly not. I was talking about a certain issue regarding our scouting that has been persisting here for years and way before Mourinho arrived but you're again trying to make it revolve around the last 3 summers and about all kind of transfers. That's not the point I made earlier. I was talking about our ability to scout young prospects with world class potential and securing them for gold value, something we have been failure in for years and it's clearly due to scouting problem. What is Mata and Torres related with this ? I said big signings are on manager and CEO, while young prospects are on the scouts.
You are underestimating 'Jose in' fans.
Woodward accepted but entirely on the manager? Do these players (the best paid in the PL no less) have no responsibility at all for working hard and having the ability to string together 3-4 passes?
