The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[cheeky_backheel]

You're going off on a tanget like ususal. Who's fault is it Lukaku hasn't worked out, the manager who wanted him or the CEO who sanctioned the deal? It's a very simple question that requires a simple answer.

Quit burying your head in the sand.

There is no tangent, just a simple separation of responsibility - Ed is responsible for how much we pay (whether Mourinho wanted the player or not), while Mourinho is responsible for getting the best out of the squad of players provided (whether he wanted them or not)

So here is another mind boggling logic for you
- We are making or not making the best use of Lukaku's abilities = Mourinho's responsibility
- We paid 75-90m (bargain or overpaid) for Lukaku's abilities = Ed's responsibility

But in your world, that we have a 75m Lukaku is all Mourinho's fault.

 

[An Irish Red]

But in your world, that we have a 75m Lukaku is all Mourinho's fault.

Of course it's his fault, he's the one that asked for him. He was the best striker Everton had in years; it would be obvious to anyone with half a brain that, in the current market, he would cost a large fee.

Mourinho would have known that and wanted him anyway. He chose him. Him being here is all down to Mourinho.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Toby hasn't performed anywhere close to that of £70 million player this season. Does that vindicate him?

Depends on how he compares to other CBs valued and available at the same price point. You cannot gauge the value of a player in isolation from the market.

 

[RooneyLegend]

There is no tangent, just a simple separation of responsibility - Ed is responsible for how much we pay (whether Mourinho wanted the player or not), while Mourinho is responsible for getting the best out of the squad of players provided (whether he wanted them or not)

So here is another mind boggling logic for you
- We are making or not making the best use of Lukaku's abilities = Mourinho's responsibility
- We paid 75-90m (bargain or overpaid) for Lukaku's abilities = Ed's responsibility

But in your world, that we have a 75m Lukaku is all Mourinho's fault.

But but Mou wanted him and knee how much he costs. Lord knows what tantrum he would've had if he didn't get him.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Of course it's his fault, he's the one that asked for him. He was the best striker Everton had in years; it would be obvious to anyone with half a brain that, in the current market, he would cost a large fee.

So being the best striker at Everton is some standard of quality? If he is the best striker Everton has had in years, speaks more to Everton's standard than Lukaku's quality.

A more relevant valuation is that he is probably the most limited striker we have had in decades - you dont break the bank for such a player no matter what the manager wants cos after the manager is gone you would likely still be saddled with the player. That decision is on Ed.

Mourinho would have known that and wanted him anyway. He chose him. Him being here is all down to Mourinho.

The problem with your logic is that Mourinho also wanted other players like Perisic, Willian, Toby etc. Why did we get Lukaku but not those other players. Mourinho wanting a player has not been sufficient for signing players. What has really mattered for which players we have signed, and for how much, has been Ed's approval or veto.

 

[Foxbatt]

Why did we get Lukaku and not other players? Simply because no manager has a blank cheque. The manager would be given a choice and that is what he has to work with. Lukaku was his choice over the others. Remember we paid a World record for Pogba the previous season. We also got 8 players in Jose's two previous seasons.
As for not breaking the bank the when the Manager tells you that his first priority is the striker then obviously you get him. It is the manager's decision to prioritise the players he wants.

 

[haram]

Well the fact that no single player,not one bloody single player we have performs better for Jose will make people think that

Name one player at United that has looked better under Jose than they did prior to Jose or in their previous team.

And don't say Shaw because he looked superb under LVG until he got hurt.

How about the fact that he got this garbage defence made up of Valencia and Young at fullback to only concede one more than the leading backline in the league? Or that Lingard had his best season? Lukaku bagged 30? It only became fashionable to shit on Matic this season. We went from 6th to 2nd by replacing Ibra with Rom and player of the year Herrera with Matic. You tell me the real level of this team.

 

[Mainoldo]

How about the fact that he got this garbage defence made up of Valencia and Young at fullback to only concede one more than the leading backline in the league? Or that Lingard had his best season? Lukaku bagged 30? It only became fashionable to shit on Matic this season. We went from 6th to 2nd by replacing Ibra with Rom and player of the year Herrera with Matic. You tell me the real level of this team.

When Conte comes in and buys Kante and David Luiz do we say he’s papering over the cracks because they turned to fodder the season after winning the title? Is there team now garbage? What is Chelsea’s real level?

 

[cheeky_backheel]

But but Mou wanted him and knee how much he costs. Lord knows what tantrum he would've had if he didn't get him.

Why didnt that same tantrum make us sign Perisic, Willian, Toby or Boateng?

If he wants a particular type of striker, you get him that type of striker but not necessarily the specific player he wants.

Whoever is sanctioning transfers has the duty to ensure we are getting value for money spent.

 

[haram]

When Conte comes in and buys Kante and David Luiz do we say he’s papering over the cracks because they turned to fodder the season after winning the title? Is there team now garbage? What is Chelsea’s real level?

I am saying that we replaced Ibra and Herrera with Lukaku and Matic. You tell me if he has got more out of the team to go from 6th to 2nd? Everyone knows a defence that has Valencia and Young in it is nowhere near good enough yet we had the second best defensive record in the league.

Chelsea had won the league just two years before Conte had arrived. The core of the team that won the title was still there when he arrived. The United team that won the league in SAF’s final year had been destroyed by the time Jose arrived.

 

[An Irish Red]

So being the best striker at Everton is some standard of quality? If he is the best striker Everton has had in years, speaks more to Everton's standard than Lukaku's quality.

A more relevant valuation is that he is probably the most limited striker we have had in decades - you dont break the bank for such a player no matter what the manager wants cos after the manager is gone you would likely still be saddled with the player. That decision is on Ed.

It's not a standard of quality but it's certainly a factor that (heavily) influences the price. They were always going to want a large fee for him as they would struggle to replace him.

So you admit that Mourinho wanted him; you admit that he isn't good enough and yet you've decided to blame Woodward for him being here while acting like Mourinho was just a passive bystander.

Do you not see the flaw in that? your entire argument boils down to 'yes Mourinho wants average players but whether they sign or not he's not to blame' it's ridiculous.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

It's not a standard of quality but it's certainly a factor that (heavily) influences the price. They were always going to want a large fee for him as they would struggle to replace him.

Everton, like every other club, is entitled to their valuation of their own player. It does not mean we have to make their dreams come true.

So you admit that Mourinho wanted him; you admit that he isn't good enough and yet you've decided to blame Woodward for him being here while acting like Mourinho was just a passive bystander.

Do you not see the flaw in that? your entire argument boils down to 'yes Mourinho wants average players but whether they sign or not he's not to blame' it's ridiculous.

I fault woodward for paying 75m+ to get him. I would be less critical if we had signed him for much less, as the funds saved could be used towards other targets.

I do not hold Mourinho responsible cos Ed has the authority and responsibility for the transfers. Mourinho and Ed are not equals in the club structure. If Mourinho's desired targets are not in the best interests of the club, then Ed can veto/decline such deals (and he has done so for some - good or bad), and if needed can fire Mourinho. That he has chosen not to do so in other deals, means he agreed and authorized the deals, thus he is also responsible. Ed cannot be credited for declining some bad deals (like Perisic, Willian, etc) but then exonerated from approving other bad deals (Matic, Lukaku, Sanchez etc).

If Mourinho believes average players are what he needs to achieve the goals he has been hired for, when those average players are provided, it is on him if he succeeds or fails in achieving said goals. (But note that if he has asked for world class players but the club provides lesser quality or none, Mourinho has a legitimate excuse for not meeting his targets. If the club feels the players provided were sufficient for the task, then they should fire him and get someone that can achieve them with the players provided)

 

[RooneyLegend]

Why didnt that same tantrum make us sign Perisic, Willian, Toby or Boateng?

If he wants a particular type of striker, you get him that type of striker but not necessarily the specific player he wants.

Whoever is sanctioning transfers has the duty to ensure we are getting value for money spent.

We tried to get most of what he wants, sometimes it's not possible to make a deal.

You know our club is run differently to other big clubs. We get what managers want in the market. We dont find him some random alternative.

 

[fellaini's barber]

Herrera and Shaw were definitely club signings imo. We had been scouting Herrera since we played Bilbao in the EL under Fergie and iirc there was a story about Fergie recommending him to Moyes then we obviously failed to sign him on deadline day before settling for Fellaini. Shaw was linked with us throughout the Moyes season and was signed before LvG took charge.

So the only two players apart from Martial who could even be called good signings out of almost 20 players signed by those two numpties combined?

How about the fact that he got this garbage defence made up of Valencia and Young at fullback to only concede one more than the leading backline in the league? Or that Lingard had his best season? Lukaku bagged 30? It only became fashionable to shit on Matic this season. We went from 6th to 2nd by replacing Ibra with Rom and player of the year Herrera with Matic. You tell me the real level of this team.

Not 8th that's for sure. That same garbage defense looked pretty solid during LVG's tenure yet Jose came, bought more defenders who you refused to include amongst the 'garbage', and the defense got worse. Okay so Lukaku got 30 and Lingard had his best season and we went from 6th to 2nd then why are those same players garbage right now? Who do you want to blame that on,Woodward? Are we now supposed to replace all the replacements he bought already?The manager is persisting with Matic who has been garbage for us after a good half season is that Woodward's fault too? He benched our best player for Sanchez for almost a year whose fault is that? You talk about our defense being garbage and mention only Young and Valencia,man has bought 3 defenders none of which he seems to like,Shaw has been our best defender,not his signing...he seems to have been given a lot of resources to fix this garbage defense( despite not being garbage for before he came) and it's still garbage as you call it after 3 seasons who do you want to blame for that? Our true level? Well who knows ?Chelsea won the league the season after they sacked him for having them at 16th maybe we need the same treatment

 

[fellaini's barber]

Why didnt that same tantrum make us sign Perisic, Willian, Toby or Boateng?

If he wants a particular type of striker, you get him that type of striker but not necessarily the specific player he wants.

Whoever is sanctioning transfers has the duty to ensure we are getting value for money spent.

We are not going to keep signing aging/average/overpriced players to stop a grown man from having tantrums, and no amount of tantrums in the world is going to make every signing a possibility, at least this applies to every other manager on the planet. Especially after we've looked worse after the 10 players he did sign look like trash. What's even the point you'll just say Ed signed 10 of them,carry on,forget I said anything

 

[cheeky_backheel]

We tried to get most of what he wants, sometimes it's not possible to make a deal.

You know our club is run differently to other big clubs. We get what managers want in the market. We dont find him some random alternative.

and that is why we are where we are with our current squad.

Also its not a random alternative if the player acquired meets the need identified by the manager. At Inter, Mourinho wanted Carvalho and Deco but Inter were not ready to meets Chelsea's demands, so they got Lucio and Sneijder for less. Neither player was Mourinho's initial target, but guess what - Mourinho won the treble with both players playing key roles.

But then Inter had a DoF that obviously understood the role better than Ed seems to.

 

[RooneyLegend]

and that is why we are where we are with our current squad.

Also its not a random alternative if the player acquired meets the need identified by the manager. At Inter, Mourinho wanted Carvalho and Deco but Inter were not ready to meets Chelsea's demands, so they got Lucio and Sneijder for less. Neither player was Mourinho's initial target, but guess what - Mourinho won the treble with both players playing key roles.

But then Inter had a DoF that obviously understood the role better than Ed seems to.

How do you know those players weren't his second choices? We almost signed Moratta if the Lukaku deal failed. Still Jose's list. Not alternatives dreamt up by front office. I remember at Chelsea he didnt want Shevchenko and that was the beginning of the end for him.

The club has operated in the same way. Sir Alex in these exact conditions was exceptionally successful. These managers must just pull up their socks.

 

[roonster09]

We are not going to keep signing aging/average/overpriced players to stop a grown man from having tantrums, and no amount of tantrums in the world is going to make every signing a possibility, at least this applies to every other manager on the planet. Especially after we've looked worse after the 10 players he did sign look like trash. What's even the point you'll just say Ed signed 10 of them,carry on,forget I said anything

Finally you realised it?

 

[cheeky_backheel]

How do you know those players weren't his second choices?

They weren't cos he has admitted to it himself. He almost fell out with Moratti over the Lucio deal and Sneijder was a late opportune buy cos Perez was cleaning house for his new galactico era.

We almost signed Moratta if the Lukaku deal failed. Still Jose's list. Not alternatives dreamt up by front office. I remember at Chelsea he didnt want Shevchenko and that was the beginning of the end for him.

Shevchenko was signed simply to satisfy the wishes of Roman and not cos Mourinho asked for him to fill a need. Those kind of buys are simply undermining your manager.

The club has operated in the same way. Sir Alex in these exact conditions was exceptionally successful. These managers must just pull up their socks.

They wont pull up their socks but get fired with a fat payoff - then rinse repeat.

BTW SAF never operated under these exact conditions (i.e. Ed in charge), talk less of being extremely successful. The only managers to have had the honors were Moyes, LvG and Mourinho, and so far we heading towards 0/3. But feel free to make upyour own version of history.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

For those harping on Mourinho wanting older players, below is an example of how other clubs go about it:

When Perez returned to power at Madrid for his Galactico II project, he admitted that Galactico I failed to fulfill its potentials cos the players (Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo etc) were bought too late into their careers. So it was made a priority to recruit younger players as much as possible.

This was the policy under which Mourinho operated and thus during his 3yr stint at Madrid he signed the following players
18yrs - Varane
19yrs - Canales
21yrs - Ozil
22yrs - Di Maria, Sahin
23yrs - Khedira, Pedro Leon
24yrs - Callejon
26yrs - Modric, Adebayor (loan)
28yrs - Hamit Altintop (free)
29yrs - Essien (loan)
31yrs - Lopez (GK)
32yrs - Carvalho

With Carvalho and Lopez being the only aged players bought. Besides those two, the oldest player was Modric and very few can genuinely criticize his purchase.

 

[MackRobinson]

There is no tangent, just a simple separation of responsibility - Ed is responsible for how much we pay (whether Mourinho wanted the player or not), while Mourinho is responsible for getting the best out of the squad of players provided (whether he wanted them or not)

So here is another mind boggling logic for you
- We are making or not making the best use of Lukaku's abilities = Mourinho's responsibility
- We paid 75-90m (bargain or overpaid) for Lukaku's abilities = Ed's responsibility

But in your world, that we have a 75m Lukaku is all Mourinho's fault.

This doesn't even remotely makes any sense. If Mourinho isn't making the best use of Lukaku's abilities (as you just admitted) how can you say so definitively he's not worth 75m?

Before you dance around that here is another angle, what was the going rate for a 24 year old, 20+ goal/season PL forward at the time of purchase? For context:

Transfer fees for all forwards in 17/18
Transfer fees for all forwards in 16/17
Transfer fees for all forwards in 18/19

Looking at those list of transfers how can you conclude what was paid for Lukaku unreasonable? Unless you are criticizing in hindsight (which we can both agree is absurd) what about that deal was so terrible at the time? The manager wanted the player and he was purchased for the going rate. Not only that but a PL rival also viewed him as first choice.

If you like Mourinho, fine but please don't engage in intellectually dishonest arguments for the sake of absolving him of responsibility. It's looney tunes.

 

[redIndianDevil]

For those harping on Mourinho wanting older players, below is an example of how other clubs go about it:

When Perez returned to power at Madrid for his Galactico II project, he admitted that Galactico I failed to fulfill its potentials cos the players (Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo etc) were bought too late into their careers. So it was made a priority to recruit younger players as much as possible.

This was the policy under which Mourinho operated and thus during his 3yr stint at Madrid he signed the following players
18yrs - Varane
19yrs - Canales
21yrs - Ozil
22yrs - Di Maria, Sahin
23yrs - Khedira, Pedro Leon
24yrs - Callejon
26yrs - Modric, Adebayor (loan)
28yrs - Hamit Altintop (free)
29yrs - Essien (loan)
31yrs - Lopez (GK)
32yrs - Carvalho

With Carvalho and Lopez being the only aged players bought. Besides those two, the oldest player was Modric and very few can genuinely criticize his purchase.

How did you come into the conclusion that Mourinho signed all these players? Mourinho didn't control transfers at Madrid. Mourinho didn't hand out lists at Madrid, Perez has to be credited with making these good signings going by your retarded logic in these last few pages.

Good young players signed - Mournho did it
Costly players who failed(due to Mourinho's tactics) - board signed them.

 

[An Irish Red]

I fault woodward for paying 75m+ to get him. I would be less critical if we had signed him for much less, as the funds saved could be used towards other targets.

I do not hold Mourinho responsible cos Ed has the authority and responsibility for the transfers. Mourinho and Ed are not equals in the club structure. If Mourinho's desired targets are not in the best interests of the club, then Ed can veto/decline such deals (and he has done so for some - good or bad), and if needed can fire Mourinho. That he has chosen not to do so in other deals, means he agreed and authorized the deals, thus he is also responsible. Ed cannot be credited for declining some bad deals (like Perisic, Willian, etc) but then exonerated from approving other bad deals (Matic, Lukaku, Sanchez etc).

Mourinho's first choice striker was Lukaku and Woodward went and signed him for Mourinho at the market rate.

If Lukaku isn't working out (which he isn't) then that's on Mourinho. He asked for Lukaku, he got Lukaku, it was his choice and he's responsible for how it works out. Absolving him of blame is laughable.

 

[haram]

Okay so Lukaku got 30 and Lingard had his best season and we went from 6th to 2nd then why are those same players garbage right now? Who do you want to blame that on,Woodward?

It's called DIPS IN FORM. Have you never heard of it? Have Lukaku and Lingard not both played at a higher level to what they are playing at the moment under Jose? Lingard also started this season injured.

Not 8th that's for sure. That same garbage defense looked pretty solid during LVG's tenure yet Jose came, bought more defenders who you refused to include amongst the 'garbage', and the defense got worse.

Under Jose's management the defence was the second best in the league last year. Do you really think 80 million investment in the defence we had is enough over 5 windows? One of the signings is a bloody teenager who has barely played any top flight football. The fact that we still have Valencia, Young and Darmian at fullback is farcical. The defence on paper is not 2nd in the league standard. When the original point was who has Mourinho got more out of the clear answer is this defence. What other fecking manager achieves that record with Ashley Young and Valencia at fullback? It's a joke.

He benched our best player for Sanchez for almost a year whose fault is that?

Our best player is Pogba, nice try though.

u talk about our defense being garbage and mention only Young and Valencia,man has bought 3 defenders none of which he seems to like,Shaw has been our best defender,not his signing...he seems to have been given a lot of resources to fix this garbage defense( despite not being garbage for before he came) and it's still garbage as you call it after 3 seasons who do you want to blame for that?

Dalot has been injured. What do you mean he has been given a lot of resources to fix the defence? Are yo have a fecking laugh? Young and Valencia made up half our defence last year, yes it's significant that they were still our fullbacks. If you think the investment in defence we have made over 5 windows is enough you need to give your head a fecking wobble. Darmian, Young, Valencia, Rojo, Jones, Smalling and Blind is what he inherited. Don't make me fecking laugh.

 

[The Mad Manc]

If he goes there will be trouble...if he stays there will be double...hmmm

And that's the clash

 

[Kapardin]

Our best player is Pogba, nice try though.

Both Martial and Pogba are our best players. Jose wasted 1 year of Martial's development and somehow fecked up Pogba's motivation early on in this season as well.

Nice deflection though, but can't avoid the fact that neither of them have a great liking for Jose's management and are more likely to leave if he stays on. Which is telling of his management. Didn't you support Martial leaving and Willian coming in as well back in the summer?

Under Jose's management the defence was the second best in the league last year. Do you really think 80 million investment in the defence we had is enough over 5 windows? One of the signings is a bloody teenager who has barely played any top flight football. The fact that we still have Valencia, Young and Darmian at fullback is farcical. The defence on paper is not 2nd in the league standard. When the original point was who has Mourinho got more out of the clear answer is this defence. What other fecking manager achieves that record with Ashley Young and Valencia at fullback? It's a joke.

Matic was in good form last season, and Smalling was a major reason for our good defense as well. This season, Matic has declined (which shows that Jose targeting such players shouldn't be encouraged), he's fallen out with or ostracized Bailly, Lindelof hasn't improved a great deal and Smalling despite being OK can't do everything by himself.

I might add De Gea is experiencing a dip in form as well.

 

[klsv]

It's called DIPS IN FORM. Have you never heard of it?

Who is this Dips and why isn't Jose playing him? Another victim of his vindictiveness?

Seriously though, it's so hard to keep up these days with the fluidity of how people define a shit signing. Last season Lukaku was a good signing and so was Matic while few wanted Lindelöf sold by the end of August last year as he was a flop. Now it's the other way around, Lukaku is a shit signing, should have gotten Morata instead. Pogba is on a whole other level though, he can change from being a shit signing to a good one twice during match. And these people want me to believe they'd be willing to give a "young and attack-minded" manager a "a few years"

 

[cheeky_backheel]

This doesn't even remotely makes any sense. If Mourinho isn't making the best use of Lukaku's abilities (as you just admitted) how can you say so definitively he's not worth 75m?

Before you dance around that here is another angle, what was the going rate for a 24 year old, 20+ goal/season PL forward at the time of purchase? For context:

Transfer fees for all forwards in 17/18
Transfer fees for all forwards in 16/17
Transfer fees for all forwards in 18/19

Looking at those list of transfers how can you conclude what was paid for Lukaku unreasonable? Unless you are criticizing in hindsight (which we can both agree is absurd) what about that deal was so terrible at the time? The manager wanted the player and he was purchased for the going rate. Not only that but a PL rival also viewed him as first choice.

If you like Mourinho, fine but please don't engage in intellectually dishonest arguments for the sake of absolving him of responsibility. It's looney tunes.

Lukaku was bought in 17/18 summer, and Morata was the comparable alternative and he was sold for much less. The likes of Auba, Lacazette, Salah, and Mahrez, while not directly comparable were also sold for less.

This is not a case of hindsight, cos most were aware of his limitations including his poor first touch. He is a limited player who offers little if he is not scoring goals. This is simply my opinion of his qualities as a player and he was never worth 75-90m imo. You are free to join Ed and think otherwise.

 

[Mainoldo]

For those harping on Mourinho wanting older players, below is an example of how other clubs go about it:

When Perez returned to power at Madrid for his Galactico II project, he admitted that Galactico I failed to fulfill its potentials cos the players (Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo etc) were bought too late into their careers. So it was made a priority to recruit younger players as much as possible.

This was the policy under which Mourinho operated and thus during his 3yr stint at Madrid he signed the following players
18yrs - Varane
19yrs - Canales
21yrs - Ozil
22yrs - Di Maria, Sahin
23yrs - Khedira, Pedro Leon
24yrs - Callejon
26yrs - Modric, Adebayor (loan)
28yrs - Hamit Altintop (free)
29yrs - Essien (loan)
31yrs - Lopez (GK)
32yrs - Carvalho

With Carvalho and Lopez being the only aged players bought. Besides those two, the oldest player was Modric and very few can genuinely criticize his purchase.

14 players yet only 3 played decent. The rest was flops. Modric included as Mourinho did his usual 4 months bedding in period. Lucky for him he left otherwise he would have never had the freedom to play his game.

 

[Mainoldo]

Who is this Dips and why isn't Jose playing him? Another victim of his vindictiveness?

Seriously though, it's so hard to keep up these days with the fluidity of how people define a shit signing. Last season Lukaku was a good signing and so was Matic while few wanted Lindelöf sold by the end of August last year as he was a flop. Now it's the other way around, Lukaku is a shit signing, should have gotten Morata instead. Pogba is on a whole other level though, he can change from being a shit signing to a good one twice during match. And these people want me to believe they'd be willing to give a "young and attack-minded" manager a "a few years"

I think your attacking the wrong people. The Pogba critiques and the Martial if he goes he goes gang normally sit with the lets get behind our manager crew.

So go do your research before you decide which party to back.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

How did you come into the conclusion that Mourinho signed all these players? Mourinho didn't control transfers at Madrid. Mourinho didn't hand out lists at Madrid, Perez has to be credited with making these good signings going by your retarded logic in these last few pages.

Good young players signed - Mournho did it
Costly players who failed(due to Mourinho's tactics) - board signed them.

None of those players were signed without his approval and he got rid of Valdano to ensure this. Perez had the final say but that was working with the desires of Mourinho and his own vision for the club.

As examples, he wanted an AM (ozil) as backup for Kaka who was injury prone, got Coentrao as a more defensive alternative to Marcelo, got Di Maria for his usual high work rate RW (like Willian and Perisic he wanted), got Khedira to add more defensive presence in midfield, got Varane (on recommendation of Zidane) as a backup and long term replacement for the injury and age compromised Pepe, got Sahin to add a playmaking CM and take pressure of Alonso, got Modric as replacement for the failed Sahin etc.

Of course not everything was rosy e.g. he never got his wish for a new striker to replace Benzema cos Benzema's relationship with Perez protected him and he declined Hazard from Lille (on recommendation from Zidane) iirc cos he felt he didnt have a space for him in the squad. Some of those transfers (like Sahin and Canales) also didnt work out for various reasons.

The main point is that Perez ensured that the transfers were in line with his vision of his galactico II project and didnt just let Mourinho dictate the long term direction of the roster.

 

[haram]

Didn't you support Martial leaving and Willian coming in as well back in the summer?

I have never wanted Martial to leave. We do need a winger like Willian though and I wanted him signed.

Who is this Dips and why isn't Jose playing him? Another victim of his vindictiveness?

Seriously though, it's so hard to keep up these days with the fluidity of how people define a shit signing. Last season Lukaku was a good signing and so was Matic while few wanted Lindelöf sold by the end of August last year as he was a flop. Now it's the other way around, Lukaku is a shit signing, should have gotten Morata instead. Pogba is on a whole other level though, he can change from being a shit signing to a good one twice during match. And these people want me to believe they'd be willing to give a "young and attack-minded" manager a "a few years"

They can barely give a player 2 games. All they do is have knee jerk opinions and use it to stick the knife into the manager.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Mourinho's first choice striker was Lukaku and Woodward went and signed him for Mourinho at the market rate.

If Lukaku isn't working out (which he isn't) then that's on Mourinho. He asked for Lukaku, he got Lukaku, it was his choice and he's responsible for how it works out. Absolving him of blame is laughable.

maybe you missed this: How much of Lukaku's abilities we get out of him is on Mourinho. That we paid 75-90m for Lukaku's abilities is on Ed!

 

[fellaini's barber]

Finally you realised it?

Oh I did long ago,but they keep pulling me back in. Hopefully for the last time

 

[cheeky_backheel]

14 players yet only 3 played decent. The rest was flops. Modric included as Mourinho did his usual 4 months bedding in period. Lucky for him he left otherwise he would have never had the freedom to play his game.

How well they performed relative to their abilities is a separate discussion, but the main point was how the age of the player fit into Perez's long term plans and not just what Mourinho desired in the short term.

 

[Siorac]

I can't be fecked to reply to a bunch of posts adamant the manager and only the manager alone wanted every target we bought.

Jose was manager during so many great transfers, from Droba Essein to Milito and Sneijder. Him turning shit with transfers when joining a club that wasted feck loads of cash before him (and since Ed came into he role) is too coincidental to be ignored.

But hey, some posters are simple and just say "x manager wanted this player so there. You pay the asking price".

There are more blind defenders of Woodward than there are defenders of Jose.

Indeed. That's pretty much what the pro-Mourinho camp has been saying since the summer about signing a CB. "The manager wanted one so you back him!!!!"

Woodward is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

[roonster09]

Indeed. That's pretty much what the pro-Mourinho camp has been saying since the summer about signing a CB. "The manager wanted one so you back him!!!!"

Woodward is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Yeah, imagine having a go at Woodward for backing manager, and even paying moire money to land the targets. All summer they moaned about how Woodward didn't back the manager, now they are moaning why he paid more money to sign the players Jose wanted.

 

[Adisa]

maybe you missed this: How much of Lukaku's abilities we get out of him is on Mourinho. That we paid 75-90m for Lukaku's abilities is on Ed!

Makes sense and might be true but Mourinho would be very stupid if he didn't think Lukaku would be a very expensive signing.

 

[Adisa]

The only way to solve this transfer thing is take responsibility from both Ed Woodward and Mourinho.

 

[VP89]

Yeah, imagine having a go at Woodward for backing manager, and even paying moire money to land the targets. All summer they moaned about how Woodward didn't back the manager, now they are moaning why he paid more money to sign the players Jose wanted.

It's like you were asleep this summer.