True obviously.
Source: The haters in the Fellaini thread
Source: The haters in the Fellaini thread
Kolarov - "Football fans know nothing about football..."
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Probably more fair to say that football fans don't know as much as they think they know about football.
If anything, said haters weaken Kolarov's arguement. As predicted many years ago, the signing of Fellaini was the first sign of the dark times to come post Fergie.
Yeh man, literally anyone can be a footballer. It requires no ability, no absolute dedication and enormous sacrifices with very few guarantees. Easy stuff...
Did I say that? No, I didn't (in case you decide to be a smart ass again). I'd appreciate if you don't misquote and twist my words (aka lie).
The point is that playing football is not THAT difficult and it certainly is not rocket science. Listening to these footballers, you'd think they were laying their life on the line. If you cannot grasp the point, that's not my problem.
Good question. I don't know what the answer is but I'm willing to concede that Gary Neville knows more about football than I do.
Well my in depth analysis of these amateur analysts suggests they know nothing.
The Dunning Kruger effect.
Unless you're party to an elite camp's setup, how, as a fan, can you possibly know the intricacies and nuances of a football match?
To that end, what he's saying has to be right, but general tactics, foresight and formation decisions, non pros can get an extremely strong grasp on, and this can be proven by calling events before they happen on the field, which often happens on forums.
Also, don't people like Andre Villas Boas prove that with the right opportunities an outsider can become something in professional football management?
To that end, what he's saying has to be right, but general tactics, foresight and formation decisions, non pros can get an extremely strong grasp on, and this can be proven by calling events before they happen on the field, which often happens on forums.
Also, don't people like Andre Villas Boas prove that with the right opportunities an outsider can become something in professional football management?
Playing football may well be easy. Being a professional footballer, of which there are only around 100,000 on the entire planet is far from easy.
Not just anyone can be a professional, even at the lower end of the professional game. Even less can be considered on the top class bracket.
And you said you can't compare football to other highly skilled professions which require hard work. This was the basis for my sarcastic response. Because you can, footballers have to sacrifice everything. Far more don't make it than do.
He's not totally wrong.
Oh well yeah obviously. They aren't privvy to the same level of information so they won't be able to judge as well.
If we're talking straight making decisions though, fans can at times see things better than managers. Due to managers being under pressure to show their signings as working (Lukaku) or a manager's set preference holding the team back (Lukaku)
Get another job? a'nt rocket science.
Well it certainly not thesame as medicine where there are many layers to learning and a whole lot of integration and skill acquisition over a lifetime.
Football in general is not as complicated as kolarov want to make it appear.
Knowing a shite player/manager and a very good one is not that hard and is certainly not brain surgery.
He’s right to a certain extent but on the flip side some players know nothing about football too and get by due to their natural ability or being absolute physical specimens.
I’ve done FA C license and have looked at other modules in the Pro licence and it’s really not that intense. It’s one thing passing courses and another to convey your ideas on how you want your team to play though, never mind being able to motivate multi millionaire spoilt brats
I’ve done FA C license and have looked at other modules in the Pro licence and it’s really not that intense. It’s one thing passing courses and another to convey your ideas on how you want your team to play though, never mind being able to motivate multi millionaire spoilt brats
Nope, havent read any analysis that comes to that conclusion
In terms of managing everything it's true obviously. If a fan, even a seemingly knowledgable one was given the reigns over a pro team, he wouldn't know shit how to prepare games or make a training plan. Wouldn't even know how to practise and improve set pieces probably.
But overall football isn't complicated science either. Fans can see whether approaches or tactics make sense or not and what's wrong more often than not.
But overall football isn't complicated science either. Fans can see whether approaches or tactics make sense or not and what's wrong more often than not.
Sure. A lot of footballers and other people in football involved don't know much either.
I think it’s true for most, but I have seen a post or two that genuinely looks like some know what they are talking about. The over all problem I see, is bias. People get an idea in their head and can’t see anything beyond that bias. Whether it’s a player, a manger, a formation blah blah blah. If we dislike it, we tend to ignore any positives that may result because of it. At the very least we dismiss any positives as luck, no matter how many times that luck happens. Honestly though, when passion is envolved it’s easy to get carried away. We just have to remember we all want what’s best for the club, even if we don’t agree.
Yeah. Respect for fans is dead. Next they'll be criticizing fans for not turning up to games.
I agree. Unless you've played the game at top level you don't know what it's like to play or how you should play. Fans point out things in hindsight but can't fathom of taking everything into consideration, namely what the form is of every player, they're mentality, how two players function together and if every player is actually accomplishing what the manager is telling them to do.
When you get former footballers or managers as pundits that can actually convey some of those aspects you realize how little you know.
When you get former footballers or managers as pundits that can actually convey some of those aspects you realize how little you know.
So city fans were wrong when they said he was shit last years and then Pep kicked him out of the team eventually?
Is this the same Kolarov who shat his pants when Souey took on Gaz Nev in a Sky Sports studio back in 2018? Thought so...
Huh... whats that got to do with his quote? Are you attributing his quote to me? For what its worth, as I said earlier he has a point that we all think we're armchair experts but when you read what some ex players say it's entirely possible fans know as much as them.
Thanks for that, adds alot to the debate in the thread. Kolarov would pull the head off Souey and Gaz Nev. This is a guy who grew up playing football with bombs dropping in his back garden for God sake.
So what's your point? That the incendiaries added to the store of his football knowledge?
Agree with him 100%. Dunning-Kruger effect.
Just think about your given profession and the absurd generalizations you've heard about it from others not in the industry.
Just think about your given profession and the absurd generalizations you've heard about it from others not in the industry.
He's spouting truisms. "Person who does something all the time knows more about someone who doesn't" is no controversial revelation. But "they must be conscious of the fact they know nothing about football" is where he goes all blooty. 22 elite athletes trying to kick a bag of wind into each other's goal net is a simple working summation of the game. That's one reason why football is the people's game. Because its simple. Must be conscious that they know nothing is bad phrasing at best and overreaching condescension at worst.
Nope, its I'm pretty sure he wouldn't shite himself over Souness or Gary feckin Neville.
Fair point. I tend to agree, he comes across as arrogant.
I think football fans know something about football, but perhaps not nearly as much as they think they do.
I don't think we should read into it too literally. I read it as: "An overwhelming majority of football fans know very little about the tactical side of football even though they seem to think they do". For me, that is absolutely correct.
its all relative.
There is a lot that goes on behind the scene but it is still not rocket science
Some managers understand the game more than most managers
Some players understand the game more than most players and some managers.
some fans know a lot about the game more than most fans and some players and managers
There is a lot that goes on behind the scene but it is still not rocket science
Some managers understand the game more than most managers
Some players understand the game more than most players and some managers.
some fans know a lot about the game more than most fans and some players and managers
Nope, in fact I would argue the average footballer is less intelligent tactically than most ‘fans’ that actually watch the game inside out. Most ‘fans’ have played the game to varying levels and their mental capacity can be far beyond that of a professional football player but lack the physical capabilities or mental strength to make anything out of it.
I would love him to give examples or explain why. I don't think people in general are less intelligent than footballers so I'm sure we could understand if they told us. Also, if this is true then I wonder if pundits who were previous managers or players refuse to talk about these things that would actually matter?
Although its true that fans won't know all inside reasons, someone who follow a team and football for many years will definitely be able to form well formed opinions. In my view, Kolarov is just talking elitist crap and insulting every fan, we all watched the same game everyone else watch, and some of us have played or play football ourselves, not just at the highest level. I'm not gonna claim to be good enough to do better than any premier league payer, but I am very capable of commenting on performances.
Although its true that fans won't know all inside reasons, someone who follow a team and football for many years will definitely be able to form well formed opinions. In my view, Kolarov is just talking elitist crap and insulting every fan, we all watched the same game everyone else watch, and some of us have played or play football ourselves, not just at the highest level. I'm not gonna claim to be good enough to do better than any premier league payer, but I am very capable of commenting on performances.
This reminds me somewhat of when Benoît Assou-Ekotto admitted that he played entirely for the money, not for the love of the shirt nor for the love of the game. We think as fans that we want honest, candid interviews with pros, but when they say something which disturbs the status quo, we react with contempt:
"How dare Assou-Ekotto not have dreamt of playing for Tottenham Hotspur as he grew up in Arras?"
"Who does Kolarov think he is to suggest that football fans know nothing about football as compared to people who are paid to play / coach the sport?"
Truth is, Kolarov is probably right. Few to none of us could offer any advice to the Man United coaching team or players which isn't already known; the problem is that, as Mourinho balances his inputs, he errs far too much on the side of caution in an age when attack-minded teams are dominant.
"How dare Assou-Ekotto not have dreamt of playing for Tottenham Hotspur as he grew up in Arras?"
"Who does Kolarov think he is to suggest that football fans know nothing about football as compared to people who are paid to play / coach the sport?"
Truth is, Kolarov is probably right. Few to none of us could offer any advice to the Man United coaching team or players which isn't already known; the problem is that, as Mourinho balances his inputs, he errs far too much on the side of caution in an age when attack-minded teams are dominant.
There's tons of advice you could give to the Man Utd coaching team, like "Transition more quickly between the midfield and attack", "Use Alexis down the middle every game", "Never start with Jones" etc etc. The advice may be wrong but it would be applicable in the field it's related to. On the other hand, what advice are you going to offer a refrigeration specialist who's been called in to a fish processing plant and is having problems fixing the giant freezers? feck all because your not an engineer or technology specialist, fields of genuine professional expertise. Those do exist in football -medical staff, pitch technology, etc,- but that's not what Kolarov is talking about. And precisely because the advice about team selection, style of play, tactics is known, we can be conscious that we know something about it, pace what Kolarov says.
We as fans may be able to offer this advice, that's true. My point, though, is that with as large a coaching staff as are already at the club, I would be astounded if there wasn't already someone there who is saying these things. These aren't being implemented on the pitch, true (although Jones only got a start due to Lindelöf's injury), and I'm not suggesting that every player / coach knows more about every facet of football than does every fan; rather, I'm saying that I would be astonished if there wasn't someone in the coaching team who was saying these things. If Mourinho isn't listening to his own coaching team, however, why would he listen to people like us, whose greatest success in football has been to support the right team at the right time?
No one understands Jack - Fans No - Read any forum/ Reporters - No - Read 90 percent of nonsense they write/ Ex professionals/commentators - Havent a clue/ Current players - Make up nonsense all the time and half of them have the IQ of a chalkboard/ Managers - No. Even Mourinho with all his success hasn't a kin clue. He must be sitting at home right now wondering what is happening with this team.
Basically - Its all subjective. Maybe Mourinho is right to keep playing Matic or maybe Jonny Red is right he should be dropped. Mourinho is in a better position to make an educated guess but who knows Jonny Red might be right - Thats football.
Basically - Its all subjective. Maybe Mourinho is right to keep playing Matic or maybe Jonny Red is right he should be dropped. Mourinho is in a better position to make an educated guess but who knows Jonny Red might be right - Thats football.