And the fact that KDB wasn't actually good at the time had nothing to do with it?And he sold KDB for not being aggressive or intense enough at Chelsea - the exact same things he's saying about Pogba now.
And the fact that KDB wasn't actually good at the time had nothing to do with it?And he sold KDB for not being aggressive or intense enough at Chelsea - the exact same things he's saying about Pogba now.
Or the fact that KDB has performed under everyone else he has played except Jose. He sold Salah too.And the fact that KDB wasn't actually good at the time had nothing to do with it?
That is why he was great for Werder Bremen before that and great for Wolfsburg immediately after.And the fact that KDB wasn't actually good at the time had nothing to do with it?
Only Jose believed he wasn't good enough .And the fact that KDB wasn't actually good at the time had nothing to do with it?
A Barcelona shirt.Why is our player always unhappy about this unhappy about that.
Mourinhon literally made pogba his golden kid. Always playing, captaincy and all that.
What he needs for him to be happy?
Nobody knew how good he would become.That is why he was great for Werder Bremen before that and great for Wolfsburg immediately after.
The obvious answer would be to play for big trophies. Now you could answer that it's on him but it's true that our roster isn't at the required level and the coaching isn't too.Why is our player always unhappy about this unhappy about that.
Mourinhon literally made pogba his golden kid. Always playing, captaincy and all that.
What he needs for him to be happy?
Get a grip. You completely ignored "Firstly, we are talking Pogba here and hence my comment." And quit this "Posters like you" and "agenda" thing, unless you know for sure that I am constantly s**t posting about Pogba all over the forum.So you don't expect any of our other players to perform better than they are doing on a regular basis ? Just Pogba ?
Lukaku cost £80 million, Matic cost £40 million at 29 years of age....both fees comparable in context.
Context is the thing that bothers me with posters like you, you try to remove all context to suit your agenda. Pogba in a team that isn't performing, playing with players who aren't performing, with tactics that don't allow for possession or to press and win the ball back, against teams who all have better tactics and are performing better than us......should be dominating games, taking games by the scruff of the neck, scoring, assisting, tackling, defending, tracking runners, getting in the box, playing it simple consistently......but none of our other players should ? Like if we played better as a team and had tactics that allowed for that, he wouldn't be consistently better ?
Yeah.....he's the problem
What are your expectations?Get a grip. You completely ignored "Firstly, we are talking Pogba here and hence my comment." And quit this "Posters like you" and "agenda" thing, unless you know for sure that I am constantly s**t posting about Pogba all over the forum.
Jeez can't even put an opinion on this forum without being name called.
And for what it's worth, I don't care how much Lukaku cost or Matic cost. They were never hyped to have the potential to be one of the best in their positions or were never in World XI. So my expectations are not the same.
My expectation is pretty basic. Consistent good performance. He currently blows lot of hot and cold. Pogba has had some great matches in team. Where he has influenced the game. But he has had games where he looks completely off it.What are your expectations?
And is he delivering?Firstly, we are talking Pogba here and hence my comment.
Secondly, my expectations from Pogba (who was supposed to be an elite midfielder when we got him) is way high than the likes of Matic, Lukaku or Fellaini. I expect Pogba to be a game changer and a huge influence whenever he plays.
Be a bit stupid wouldn't it, handing in a transfer request and losing any bonuses.But then again we had Mourinho himself stating that there was no transfer request from either Pogba nor Raiola.
You are not on your own thinking that.The bias and hatred some you guys hold towards Mourinho is totally blinding you regarding Pogba, both as a player and as a person
Where do you think these Pogba to Juventus,Barcelona rumors come from? His agent.
He wants out and has disrespected the shirt severals times already.
Raiola even tried to sell him to City last season.
It is amazing how short peoples memories are when it comes to PogbaShit manager or not he's had about 5 great games in 2 and a half years. That's pretty pathetic for someone of his talent, reputation and price tag.
Name more than five great games he's had in a United shirtIt is amazing how short peoples memories are when it comes to Pogba
Swansea awayName more than five great games he's had in a United shirt
What was it again you're selling then?Be a bit stupid wouldn't it, handing in a transfer request and losing any bonuses.
My expectation is pretty basic. Consistent good performance. He currently blows lot of hot and cold. Pogba has had some great matches in team. Where he has influenced the game. But he has had games where he looks completely off it.
Now I agree that football is not a one man show and he won't be able to do anything if team mates/tactics are not in sync. But if he wants to be called a world class player, he should be able to do many things on a consistent basis.
And before anyone says it is the tactics that are not helping us to see Pogba's skills, yes I agree to large extent. Our tactics are crap and our team plays like headless chickens many times. So it is unlikely that Pogba does something spectacular if overall game is bad.
I have already expressed my hope that we would see much more from Pogba under a different manager.
He was a young WC talent, from Jose’s perspective players don’t get good until they’re 29.And the fact that KDB wasn't actually good at the time had nothing to do with it?
@Damien why is this thread allowed and other recent Jose threads banned immediately?In light of what happened with Pogba I'd just like to remind everyone of those times we use to laugh at Chelsea fans for wanting their best player gone because of Jose's nonsenses.
Fast forward a few years later and a lot of gullible fans have eaten up Jose's words and are now turning on any player he point a finger at and lay the blame, blame which should mostly fall on his shoulders.
Frankly those fans who booed are an utter embarrassment and typify what mindless sheep are. Waiting to eat any nonsense Jose is ready to throw out there. And what's astonishing is that there isn't even any justification for this cult like following and worship these fans have for Mourinho.
We're sitting 8th with a negative goal difference yet there they are worshipping. Tottenham humiliate us in our own backyard and spank us 0-3 and they're quick to clap. I mean what is wrong with that lot?
There are countless talents who never realise their potential, and most of them don't get to KDB level. It's always a gamble with young prospects.He was a young WC talent, from Jose’s perspective players don’t get good until they’re 29.
De Bruyne was the young player of the year in the Bundesliga the season before.There are countless talents who never realise their potential, and most of them don't get to KDB level. It's always a gamble with young prospects.
Both have shown it at times in this system and team where NO ONE is doing well, so I agree. As much as people have seemed desperate to scapegoat Pogba and Martial since summer, they have been probably our 2 best outfield players... Shock!Jose is a poison plain and simple. Nobody knew how good KdB would be? Really?
If Pogba goes, and Martial too, they’ll show the true quality they have and we’ll be embarrassed. Yet again.
Hazard was shit last season.He had a recurring hip injury that season. And even if that was true about Hazard and is true about Pogba why does it seem Mourinho is the only manager that has World Class players "not try"?
It's an old mentality amongst the season ticket holders, that they are loyal Reds, more loyal than any other club.I do think our match going fans are too loyal at times which is stopping the board from taking action. Supporters of any other top club make their feelings known yet ours seem to feel we’re above that.
Boo the shite out of the the team after every unacceptable result and watch the board be forced into taking action. The fans have a lot of power in these situations, it’s just a matter of making your discontent known
There was no gamble there, he was as proven as a young player can be at his age.There are countless talents who never realise their potential, and most of them don't get to KDB level. It's always a gamble with young prospects.
That was Scurrle but either way it was a crap tactical decision. I think he was trying to make a point they needed strikers. You know how he does already.There was no gamble there, he was as proven as a young player can be at his age.
I remember Jose playing him as a CF in Moyes’ first home game at OT.
Total misjudgment of a player’s strength and qualities.
Oh, never mind me then.. carry onIt's not about that. He is accusing people of being fans of Mourinho before the club, when he's doing the same with Martial.
Cosigning this.Put a sock in it, you obnoxious prats. The matchgoing fans you’re sniping at do a hell of a lot more for the club than either of you. Including during the Fergie years, when you enjoyed the sort of success you may never see again.
There’s always been different opinions amongst fans about the manager. And this isn’t a new phenomenon. During Fergie’s reign there was almost always a vocal cohort who thought we could do better with a new manager in charge and I’m willing to bet there’s a big overlap between that cohort of tossers and the people who are getting on their high horse about the “sheep” staying loyal to the current manager.
He sounds like a different breed from the current lot who are willing to blame anyone and everyone else to deflect blame from the manager alone, though.It's an old mentality amongst the season ticket holders, that they are loyal Reds, more loyal than any other club.
My dad is one of them ! he will not hear a wrong word said of any and I mean any united player past or present.
Lets face it, the majority of match going fans are pissed up, brain dead idiots ! you have got to be pretty stupid to pay and watch that crap Mourinho has been dishing up !