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They do.Every manager says that of any team they play.
But not always are they correct. In this particular case Klopp is spot on.
They do.Every manager says that of any team they play.
I just wanted to see a rough outline of a plan of what we might see if we got rid of Jose.Do you know who was Real Madrid's coach when they signed Ronaldo? Mauricio Pellegrino.
Do you know who was Barcelona's coach when they signed Neymar? Gerardo Martino.
This **** of the manager is an overrated and overstated thing. Chelsea basically did not even have a manager when they signed Hazard. It's not that big a deal.
I cut the rest because, frankly, it was a lot of words to say "a new manager is not guaranteed to be better" which is 1) the bleeding obvious, 2) not a good reason to just sit on our arse and do nothing.
I just wanted to see a rough outline of a plan of what we might see if we got rid of Jose.
So far most Jose detractors haven't thought it through that far.
It's not like Wenger who was years from sniffing a title. Jose had us in second last year.
Clearly something needs to happen... it looks like he'll be gone from the sheer force of public opinion... but I still haven't seen anyone give us a rough idea of what that might look like.
Especially if they are done spending for awhile.
Moyes and LvG did it for me. Jose just kicked the corpse a few times.Jose and his negativity has killed my enthusiasm for football. Before the season even started, he complained and complained about each and everything. We lost against Liverpool in a friendly where we played our young kids. No one really bothered about the result but he immediately threw them under the bus. I mean who does that. Can't he be a little encouraging or just say it's a friendly and doesn't matter. His whole attitude sucks. The players must be fed up of his stupid antics.
Did you say the same for Moyes and LVG? Mourinho is on exactly the same trajectory as those two.Feels like we're a job half done. Let the man do his work. Board need to back him, otherwise they should have fired him before the start of this season.
Must admit I did, buuuuttt Mou, I believe, is different, he wasn't backed in the summer, and we're were on an upward trajectory and winning silverware.Did you say the same for Moyes and LVG? Mourinho is on exactly the same trajectory as those two.
How come?Must admit I did, buuuuttt Mou, I believe, is different, he wasn't backed in the summer, and we're were on an upward trajectory and winning silverware.
I don't know! I wish I knew. It doesn't make sense to keep on a manager you don't fully believe in. I say that because not only did Woodward not back him in the window, he also seems quite happy to undermine him like at various points this season.How come?
This has to be the most ridiculous excuse that gets repeated. As if signing one or two more players would make a significant difference after he's already made a fecking mess of signing almost a dozen.Must admit I did, buuuuttt Mou, I believe, is different, he wasn't backed in the summer, and we're were on an upward trajectory and winning silverware.
Well he got 3 players in the summer, right?I don't know! I wish I knew. It doesn't make sense to keep on a manager you don't fully believe in. I say that because not only did Woodward not back him in the window, he also seems quite happy to undermine him like at various points this season.
I already gave the example of how one year Ranieri wins the league... then he's out the next yearWho says they’re done spending for a while?
What it looks like? Mourinho goes, we hire a better manager and we play better football. What on Earth do you mean “what does it look like”?. It looks like we get a decent manager in who improves the footballers.
For an example, see Chelsea going from battling relegation to winning the league.
Zidane wasn't sacked, he quit.I already gave the example of how one year Ranieri wins the league... then he's out the next year
Conte wins the league... then he's out
Zidane wins CL 3 times in a row... then he's out
Jose gets the team to second... then he's out
Is the problem that they were good coaches one year, and became poor the next... or is it something else?
I get people who want him gone because they simply don't like him or his personality. That makes sense to me.
What I don't get is people who think we will so easily find a better manager.
Can we find someone who gives moral support and keeps out of everyone's way? Sure. And it might work.
But I'm not sure how sustainable that type of manager would be.
If people feel talent is the issue... maybe the solution is to hire a football director and let Jose manage.
This worked in Los Angeles where the Clippers basketball coach was in charge of drafting and acquisitions... and then was demoted to only coaching.
The team started winning when this happened.
I had wanted Klopp before we acquired Jose... but the timing was wrong as he became available after we hired LVG.
If we had a great manager of Pep or Klopp's track record waiting... I'd get the decision but although I fully agree a new, untested manager might inject some life into the squad... I also can see it setting us back.
I really don't think Jose's done a poor job of managing other than daring to stand up to Pogba, which has clearly had a bad chain reaction.
Maybe he's living in the past where coaches could put players in their place... but I'm not sure he's lost the ability to win.
He was backed. He got 3 players. 4 actually because Sanchez was considered like a summer signing.Must admit I did, buuuuttt Mou, I believe, is different, he wasn't backed in the summer, and we're were on an upward trajectory and winning silverware.
Isn't that semantics? A case where they let someone quit to save face?Zidane wasn't sacked, he quit.
Depends on how you want to see it. But from the rumours it seemed his targets were Toby (Levy wanted 70M or so) and Maguire for whatever big money. I don't think Woodward was particularly wrong not to give Jose a blank cheque. We needed better targets if he wanted to splash big money.Must admit I did, buuuuttt Mou, I believe, is different, he wasn't backed in the summer, and we're were on an upward trajectory and winning silverware.
He's already spent big on the defence, midfield, and attack, so what half is not done?Feels like we're a job half done. Let the man do his work. Board need to back him, otherwise they should have fired him before the start of this season.
He will never admit that this is his team as his ego cant take it when any of is decisions backfires on him. He needs to grow a pair, we all make mistakes. It shows character to be able to admit these mistakes, rectify the errors and overcome them and try to not make the same mistake should a similar situation arise in the future.He can't even own up to the fact that this is his team, from the reserves to the starting team
I don't think a new CB would of changed much this season to be honest, he was a toxic bellend even before the window closed.Must admit I did, buuuuttt Mou, I believe, is different, he wasn't backed in the summer, and we're were on an upward trajectory and winning silverware.
Nah you mixed up Zidan leaving Madrid with Mourinho leaving Madrid.Isn't that semantics? A case where they let someone quit to save face?
Otherwise, why is he in consideration for our job?
Are you talking about Zidane quitting to save face after winning the CL three times in a row?Isn't that semantics? A case where they let someone quit to save face?
Otherwise, why is he in consideration for our job?
If this turns out to be the case we should feck him off now so the season doesn't get any worse. Get in the \Director of football then nrw manager and let them analyse what we need to do and start planning for the next season.The issue though for me is that this team will be worse under Mourinho in the second half of the season, his teams usually play much better in the first half and things are escalating so it's only going to get worse
Wasn't he getting shit for finishing third in the league and losing the Copa del rey?Are you talking about Zidane quitting to save face after winning the CL three times in a row?
I didn't wanna beat Liverpool 6-0 when it meant Klopp coming in instead of Brendan. Pretty sure most scouse don't want to be the reason United sack Mourinho either.I'm praying for a 6-0 battering from Liverpool so that the board have to sack him.
Call me a fake fan for wanting United to lose to the Scousers if you want, but in the long-term it'd be of tremendous benefit to the club if it means that Jose is out the door.
Your standards are really really low then.I really don't think Jose's done a poor job of managing other than daring to stand up to Pogba, which has clearly had a bad chain reaction.
Just for the record... what specific changes do you want to see for the club?Your standards are really really low then.
That is actually a good analogy. He is a fecking bacterial infection. And even if you also have cancer at the same time, it's still a good idea to take antibiotics so that at least one problem is taken care of.Just for the record... what specific changes do you want to see for the club?
Which manager do you want?
Which players have you targeted that management is willing to buy?
Because all I see are posts where people want him gone, and very few who offer specifics.
As if he's a bacterial infection that can be cured with a quick dose of penicillin.
I'm not saying you all are wrong... I'd just like to see a clear plan... because nothing anyone's written here has put my mind at ease.
Read the other 560 pages in this thread if you want specifics.Just for the record... what specific changes do you want to see for the club?
Which manager do you want?
Which players have you targeted that management is willing to buy?
Because all I see are posts where people want him gone, and very few who offer specifics.
As if he's a bacterial infection that can be cured with a quick dose of penicillin.
I'm not saying you all are wrong... I'd just like to see a clear plan... because nothing anyone's written here has put my mind at ease.
These kind of arguments melt my melon man. We shouldn’t have gone to war with Iraq either. That we did, isn’t an excuse for sticking out the endless clusterfeck that followed!... That’s how Naz...erm, Trump’s America started!... (probably.)Feels like we're a job half done. Let the man do his work. Board need to back him, otherwise they should have fired him before the start of this season.
Yea. His past transfer businesses at United was dreadful but maybe the next hundred million would have worked out differently than the last oneMust admit I did, buuuuttt Mou, I believe, is different, he wasn't backed in the summer, and we're were on an upward trajectory and winning silverware.
What semantics?Isn't that semantics? A case where they let someone quit to save face?
Otherwise, why is he in consideration for our job?