I think the criticism of Lingarrds clothing line is he is not actually that good enough to have one. I can understand Ronaldo and Le bron james having one. Not lingarrd though.
Keano wisdom... and if Pogba plays it's proof Mo has lost it
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Ehm, we beat an absolute crap Fulham side at home and got fecked against Valencia away.
Hit the nail on the head. I wonder how many of these people are the slaves of their employees/profession? Amazes me how hypocritical fans are!
Don't even think it's about football being the most important thing in their life or not. You can question Lingard's skill and form but not his work rate and dedication. He didn't work on design of his clothing line while the rest were at Carrington. He doesn't dance while sitting on the bench and doesn't post stories onto Instagram during half-time. People like to call footballers dumb but I honestly think you can focus on football even if you do whatever you want on your free time. It has always been the case. Even during a world cup players get free time while being in a pretty restricted environment for a month otherwise. The only difference between our players during the 90's and 60's is that now you can take a couple of seconds to post about your life on social media, we didn't have it 20 years ago.
Which if true, is laughable!
I agree with most of what he's saying here.
People can point to the likes of Ronaldo, and even back to Beckham but the difference is they were highly dedicated and incredibly successful before launching their 'brands' and continued to be afterwards. They've built their brands on the back of on field success.
The thing with Lingard in particular irks me. Hes achieved nothing in the game, apart from playing for Man Utd. Leaving aside how good you think he is or isn't, hes been in shite form for most of the year - he only recently broke his scoring drought which last 26 games. So what's he building his brand on the back of? The answer is Man Utd. If Lingard played for Everton or some other club would he be launching his own clothing brand?
To me, he's trading of the popularity of the club. If he was a major part of successes at the club fair enough maybe. Doing it while the team is struggling, and while he's not done much to contribute, to me, seems out of order.
People can point to the likes of Ronaldo, and even back to Beckham but the difference is they were highly dedicated and incredibly successful before launching their 'brands' and continued to be afterwards. They've built their brands on the back of on field success.
The thing with Lingard in particular irks me. Hes achieved nothing in the game, apart from playing for Man Utd. Leaving aside how good you think he is or isn't, hes been in shite form for most of the year - he only recently broke his scoring drought which last 26 games. So what's he building his brand on the back of? The answer is Man Utd. If Lingard played for Everton or some other club would he be launching his own clothing brand?
To me, he's trading of the popularity of the club. If he was a major part of successes at the club fair enough maybe. Doing it while the team is struggling, and while he's not done much to contribute, to me, seems out of order.
Hazard was widely criticised by pretty everyone in Jose's last season there. Look at him now. It's no coincidence.
Jesse Lingard should never be mentioned in the same breath as those
You made sense? You wanted us to accept the word of someone who you said won't make a great manager and expect us to relate to his word on how players should behave?
Being a great football manager in the modern day, is not about telling home truths. It's about dressing it up. That was my point! So he can tell it as it is... and in the modern day still be p*sh at being football manager, because he will (has) lose (lost) the dressing room (dressing rooms).
He would have cleaned up in the 70s!
Walking Triggs.
I do enjoy a Keano rant now and again,even when I dont necessarily agree with him.
This 100%. Seems to be treating football and playing for united as a joke.
Had a big party too to launch the clothing line. Few united players attended along with sterling. You would think they would be preparing for the liverpool match. Its on the daily mail.
Cannot imagine Mourinho was too happy.
Bingo. He literally could've waited until the summer for that. Now, we're playing like shit (his fault or not), he's playing like shit, if we get beaten by Liverpool today (which is and was very likely irrespective of him releasing anything) he'll get murdered because people will say that instead of focusing on improving his performances and the results (which again, is a fair point), he's focusing on releasing a fecking clothing line. He could've been working 15 hours a day this week, mind, but this will be irrelevant as a whole.
This is what we've become though. Lingard could/should be playing for some midtable side (in before the joke I'd make here myself) and nobody would buy his shit because nobody cares. He's blessed to play for us because that gets him the attention he wouldn't have had otherwise but he still seems too dumb to use it properly without giving people a pretext of having a go at him.
It's not that it shouldn't be tolerated as such, but Lingard should know it's a daft idea before he even gave it the green light (I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was approached about it).
That's a bit of random point...
I do enjoy a Keano rant now and again,even when I dont necessarily agree with him.
Legend. Full Stop.
I dont think anyone expect Pogba to start the game today? If we are behind he might get on the pitch in a last effort to get a moment of magic since there arent many other options? He isnt going to bring on Pogba to protect a win or even to 'protect' a draw.
His point is that the club's in shambles and from the outside looking in the players, who are a huge part of the problem, don't seem to give much of a feck.
No one is saying they should slit their wrists but it's just annoying to watch them prancing about in social media.
Show more, start winning games and give more effort on the pitch, then do whatever you want in your spare time, people won't mind at all.
No one is saying they should slit their wrists but it's just annoying to watch them prancing about in social media.
Show more, start winning games and give more effort on the pitch, then do whatever you want in your spare time, people won't mind at all.
But how is any of this relevant for now? Unfortunately, he is deluded if he thinks everyone should have his mentality. People/players are all different and hence you have to treat them that way. Keane unfortunately isn't the best example of how players should behave. If you know his history off the pitch, he wasn't exactly a role model.
I like Lingard, but shocked that he chooses this week of all weeks to do this.
Why would you imagine something happening to the club?
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I'm not bothered about the clothing line so long as it doesn't deviate his attention to club duties.
Well if you're being paid £100k a week to do it, maybe it should be!
The issue, in my opinion, is a combination of certain players downing tools, a manager, who has got things wrong in terms of his handling of situations and in his recruitment (big and powerful over technique and football intelligence), and an executive vice-chairman who is as dullard about football and signings as he isn't about the commercial side of our club.
It's not one thing. It's a combination. Changing one aspect won't resolve it.
Don't forget, Ed and his marketing machine rely on these players being on social media. Not only our club, but all global clubs do!
Again, football and football business has moved on. All players at big clubs are on social media and are just the same as our players. The problem at our club is much deeper than just the players.
The clothing line and launch date
Well he looks younger and acts younger than his age so there's that.
I also think that part of it is him never nailing down a guaranteed first team place for a considerable length of time. He's still in for a few games, out for a few, sub here and there. It's the same kind of situation a young player who came through the ranks might often find himself in so it still feels like he is one.
If he was a world beater, I think some would accept it. But he isn't. He is a very talented footballer who is not the finished article. Why not put all that energy into making yourself the best you can be ON the pitch, like Cristiano Ronaldo. Then when you are a superstar, which Lingard is not, then maybe venture out.
you're not wrong
Good point. Wasn't it reported that Ed actively encouraged Pogba to increase his social media profile after he joined us? Of course, it being reported doesn't necessarily make it true, but it wouldn't exactly be surprising.
Someone please tell him that it's almost 2019.
Keane also said he'd start Pogba today but the OP conveniently left that out to fit the narrative
Jealousy. People don’t like lingard so the idea that he can do this - how dare he? It’s also made him an even bigger target now for criticism
Everyone knows when Keane wasn’t playing or training he used to sit in a dark room and brood until the next training session where he would come and berate everyone around him. That’s what the ideal footballer does in my book.
Keane has proven time and again that he hasn’t a notion about managing so why should I take his opinion anymore seriously than the likes of dunphy?
I remember it being mentioned but wasn't sure, he wasn't the only one too. Fortunately the Motorola Microtac didn't had 4G or Wifi.