Some members want to clear 8 or more players from the team. Am I reading correcly? 
Who's next out of the door?
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Our next full-time manager will have over half a season to assess our players from afar, in addition to what he already knows about them (we are not exactly low profile). Those for the bin should include Jones,Valencia,Young, Rojo and Matic, with Mata, Smalling and Lukaku also on the “to be upgraded” list, although it’s unlikely we can clear them out in one or even two windows.
For me, any manager worth his salt and has watched United more than once in the past few years shouldn't even have to work one minute with the following players to know they are not of the quality needed at this club : Darmian, Valencia, Jones, Rojo, McTomminay, Fellaini.
I'd then say these players would have to really fit into a managers plans to deserve the chance to remain at the club: Smalling, Lindelof, Bailly, Shaw, Matic, Herrera, Mata, Lingard, Lukaku, Sanchez, Dalot, Fred, Rashford
The only players I'd consider good enough to be part of a first team squad that's challenging for top titles are De Gea, Pogba, Martial.
Obviously we aren't going to rid the squad of all those players but to me, and it's just my opinion, that's how many players we could do with offloading. And just to compound it, two of the three players I have listed as quality players have serious question marks over their attitude.
Really hoping the next manager can get a tune out of Bailly, Lindelof, Dalot, Shaw, Fred, Sanchez, Rashford, Gomes, Chong, Herrera etc otherwise we aren't going to make any drastic improvements.
Delighted Mourinho is gone but god help the next man in who has to clean up this mess. I fear it's going to take years
I'd then say these players would have to really fit into a managers plans to deserve the chance to remain at the club: Smalling, Lindelof, Bailly, Shaw, Matic, Herrera, Mata, Lingard, Lukaku, Sanchez, Dalot, Fred, Rashford
The only players I'd consider good enough to be part of a first team squad that's challenging for top titles are De Gea, Pogba, Martial.
Obviously we aren't going to rid the squad of all those players but to me, and it's just my opinion, that's how many players we could do with offloading. And just to compound it, two of the three players I have listed as quality players have serious question marks over their attitude.
Really hoping the next manager can get a tune out of Bailly, Lindelof, Dalot, Shaw, Fred, Sanchez, Rashford, Gomes, Chong, Herrera etc otherwise we aren't going to make any drastic improvements.
Delighted Mourinho is gone but god help the next man in who has to clean up this mess. I fear it's going to take years
Lukaku has had a very long and successful career and can still improve. Getting rid of him would be nuts. It will just me a matter of style. If we hire simeone he might be a tight fit. Same with conte. Who knows with zidane since he was given a strong team and we haven't seen the type of team he will build given the chance
Should be Jones, Valencia and Darmian. Jones cant be trusted to stay fit and not to make errrors, Valencia used to be a decent player but he just isnt good enough anymore and Darmian has never been good enough.
After those three have left i would start to replace players who could be good enough but still arent preforming when we have a new manager (Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez) and the players who arent good enough but can stay until better players have been signed (Lingard, Rojo, Fellaini, Young). We cant just kick them all out at the same time and buy replacements...
After those three have left i would start to replace players who could be good enough but still arent preforming when we have a new manager (Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez) and the players who arent good enough but can stay until better players have been signed (Lingard, Rojo, Fellaini, Young). We cant just kick them all out at the same time and buy replacements...
Can you imagine Zidane playing with Lukuku, if he wasn't bald he would be tearing his hair out.
Lukuku was a stop gap as we were desperate, unfortunately he's turned out even worse than we thought he would be.
His record at such an age says he can be effective. Just don't try to build up through him. Put him through on goal and get him chances and he will put up good numbers. Shown over and over since he was 17
Zidane played with a shockingly bad Benzema for 2 out of 3 years
. He got 12 in 47 last year, that's worse than Lukaku in the worst form of his life. His hold-up play was also useless in most games and his biggest contribution in the CL was taking advantage of goalkeeping howlers.The next manager when our players decide to sack him. I genuinely cannot wait for those two faced fecks to turn it up again now that Mourinho is gone, just like they did after LVG and Moyes.
Also, we're due a couple of articles in the press in the upcoming days about how they didn't like the training methods, analyses of their play and some other ridiculous shit, just like they spawned right after Moyes/LVG were sacked.
Also, we're due a couple of articles in the press in the upcoming days about how they didn't like the training methods, analyses of their play and some other ridiculous shit, just like they spawned right after Moyes/LVG were sacked.
Benzema has always been a player who sacrifices himself for the good of the team, even when playing badly he makes a contribution,Lukuka doesn't.Zidane played with a shockingly bad Benzema for 2 out of 3 years
Lukuka has 6 in 22 this season. That's very similar to the numbers you quoted for Benzema. Difference being Lukuku is the main goalscorer for Utd, Benzema wasn't for Madrid.
Who, exactly, are you referring to?
Because the current whipping boys (Pogba and Sanchez) weren’t at United under the previous two. And the likes of Herrera, Lingard, Smalling, Jones, Young, Matic, Fellaini (etc.) are never short of effort when out on the pitch. They’re just shit, apparently.
The players won’t ‘turn it on’. They never did after Moyes and Van Gaal did either. They’ll only play better attacking football when the coach gets it right on the training pitch. The players have been panned for years for their effort but it’s never really supported with anything concrete.
You’re probably right about lots of shit being fed to the press in ‘reveal all’ articles but that happens all the time. Mourinho will have his piece, too.
I don't see it as scapegoats, a lot of the players on the list are players who have underperformed for several seasons and/ or appear physically unable to play consistently at this level.
We need to get back to our roots and probably make 1 or 2 key signings to get back on track. That will mean clearing put the consistently underperformers to make room
This is just a cliche and after the fact justification because Madrid won things. Benzema was not good for Madrid in his last 2 seasons and Madrid fans have been pulling their hair out at Benzema's poor general play for the last two seasons. Countless games Ronaldo bailed Madrid out while Benzema did feck all.
There are many strikers that would have made Madrid better in place of Benzema, he had plenty of stinkers where he contributed next to nothing in the last 2-3 seasons.
This is really futile, let's just agree they are both crap then.
Full backs were my concern. I'd look to sell Darmian and Valencia immediately, keep Young for definite until the summer.
I think we need 4 Full backs in a system that should hopefully have them up and down the line. Dalot is adapting, question mark on Shaw's injuries, leaving Young as back up. Solution could be to call up Laird and also recall Demetri Mitchell- rather that than buy a Danilo type player who will rotate
Young and Valencia should definitely be kept around, they’re 2 of not very many of Fergies players we have left, they’ve both been good servants and are excellent role models for the young lads, but neither should be anywhere near first choice for us.
To be honest, if you are an interim manager coming into this job then the players you turn to will be the likes of Young, Smalling and Valencia.
Obviously we can still get drastic changes in style of play but I doubt they will want to shake things up with team selections etc. but who knows.
If I was the board right now my focus would be on steadying the ship, getting players on side and not fecking things up further while we plan for the next manager.
Summer will be the time where we start to get rid of the deadwood and properly rebuild.
Obviously we can still get drastic changes in style of play but I doubt they will want to shake things up with team selections etc. but who knows.
If I was the board right now my focus would be on steadying the ship, getting players on side and not fecking things up further while we plan for the next manager.
Summer will be the time where we start to get rid of the deadwood and properly rebuild.
Jones and Rojo imo have had enough chances and much as I like both of them, it is time for at least one to go. Matic didn’t become a shite player overnight, he needs a break, give Herrera, Fred and Pogba a run together and see how that goes. Mata is still a great squad player so I’d hang on to him for now. Lukaku I don’t think will ever be good enough to be first choice for us but again is more than capable as back up.
I hope we can get a DoF by the time year is out, there is absolutely zero excuse if likes of Young, Valencia, Jones, Rojo and Darmian are here next season.
Interim and the new gaffer surely to bring up the magic 5
Depends on the manager but Sanchez is the only one who sticks out to me. Great player but doesn’t seem the right fit for the rest of the squad unless there’s a big tactical change.
Well given Smalling got a new contract on Friday and then Jose was sacked on Tuesday after stating we needed new center backs I think it's clear that the execs at the club are in full control of squad affairs so if no one has been shown the door by now I doubt they will be at all.
Rojo plus one in Jan.
Matic
Young
Sánchez
Fellaini
Jones
In the summer.
Lukaku is also in the danger zone.
Matic
Young
Sánchez
Fellaini
Jones
In the summer.
Lukaku is also in the danger zone.
Pogba, without a doubt. He thinks he is bigger than the club already.
Sacked Jose, Sell Wigs?
We need to sell a couple of players before the new manager comes. In my mind are Jones, Valencia, Darmian, Smalling, and Young.
I think I read Pellegrini was interested in Valencia.
I think I read Pellegrini was interested in Valencia.
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Might as well give him a testimonial at that point
Pogba
If we get a director of football in the next few weeks, then there is no reason why we can't start making signings and getting rid of players, even with an interim manager. An ideal IMO would be to get somebody in before the next transfer window and give him some cash to make a signing or two. Hopefully, the board have found somebody who has an actual vision and a plan for the club and the rest of the season can be about setting up structures within the club, scouting for the summer and trying to get the team playing some decent football. Given that the season is basically a write-off, at least we can try and play some decent football and get the players to start acting like they give a crap. Give some young players like Dalot and Pereira a chance to get some experience too.
If this can finally be the end of Jones, Rojo, Matic, Darmian, Valencia and Bogbrush then that would be marvelous. Most of the rest can have a transfer window, maybe two, to play for their places in the squad. I think at least some of them deserve a chance to show what they can do with a manager that does actual attacking coaching. That said, Young, Mata, Sanchez, Lukaku and most of the central defenders would have to work damn hard to convince me that they deserve a new contract.
If this can finally be the end of Jones, Rojo, Matic, Darmian, Valencia and Bogbrush then that would be marvelous. Most of the rest can have a transfer window, maybe two, to play for their places in the squad. I think at least some of them deserve a chance to show what they can do with a manager that does actual attacking coaching. That said, Young, Mata, Sanchez, Lukaku and most of the central defenders would have to work damn hard to convince me that they deserve a new contract.
They’d be the first 2 out the door if it were me. Any connection they have to the past is and has been worthless. I’d be surprised if Pellegrini at West Ham wanted either of them. They’re bad at football.
Think the writing is on the wall for Fred the Red.....
But seriously the only player I can see being transfered out in January is Matteo Darmian, with Scott McTominay probably getting a loan move.
But seriously the only player I can see being transfered out in January is Matteo Darmian, with Scott McTominay probably getting a loan move.
Considering Smalling just got a new contract, I can’t see him leaving. Not saying we won’t sell him, but unlikely. Unless the manager comes in and buys two CBs and we get a decent offer for him. Don’t get me wrong, I think he should never have gotten a new contract.
The list is very simple:
Valencia, Darmian, Jones, Rojo, Fellaini, McTominay, Matic
All need to be shipped out. Don't need a new manager to assess this dross .
Bring back TFM, Tuanzebe, keep Young and Smalling for now but only as squad players and then go out and buy two top quality centre backs in the summer.
Lukaku should also be replaced as main striker.
Valencia, Darmian, Jones, Rojo, Fellaini, McTominay, Matic
All need to be shipped out. Don't need a new manager to assess this dross .
Bring back TFM, Tuanzebe, keep Young and Smalling for now but only as squad players and then go out and buy two top quality centre backs in the summer.
Lukaku should also be replaced as main striker.
Fellaini
Darmian
Rojo
Jones
Lindelof
Young
Valencia
Lukaku (if we can find a replacement)
Sanchez
Matic
Darmian
Rojo
Jones
Lindelof
Young
Valencia
Lukaku (if we can find a replacement)
Sanchez
Matic
I’d clear more. Many of them proved they aren’t good enough under 2-3 managers.Some members want to clear 8 or more players from the team. Am I reading correcly?
If we're talking about how should go :
Grant
Valenica
Young
Jones
Rojo
Darmian
Matic
Scott
Lingard
Lukaku
Not eve squad options. We need to be ruthless and stop accepting mediocrity in ways like "he has his uses". Some of these will struggle for a place on the bench for other big teams.
I wanted to write Fred with them but I'll wait for next season, full expecting him to join the list of the deadwood sooner or later though.
Grant
Valenica
Young
Jones
Rojo
Darmian
Matic
Scott
Lingard
Lukaku
Not eve squad options. We need to be ruthless and stop accepting mediocrity in ways like "he has his uses". Some of these will struggle for a place on the bench for other big teams.
I wanted to write Fred with them but I'll wait for next season, full expecting him to join the list of the deadwood sooner or later though.
Definite goners: Darmian, Valencia, Rojo, Jones. Young if we sign a replacement (two FBs in the summer for each side)
I’d like to get rid of Fellaini as well, although he just signed a new contract and may not want to leave so soon.
Matic should also go. He might recover his form, but he’s been absolutely abject this season. We should invest time in Periera or pursue someone like Ruben Neves next summer.
Lingard is also not up to the standard. Scores some important goal but his bread and butter play is not good enough for me our ambitions. I’d keep him if it meant he was a rotation option and got no more than 25 games a season.
I’d like to get rid of Fellaini as well, although he just signed a new contract and may not want to leave so soon.
Matic should also go. He might recover his form, but he’s been absolutely abject this season. We should invest time in Periera or pursue someone like Ruben Neves next summer.
Lingard is also not up to the standard. Scores some important goal but his bread and butter play is not good enough for me our ambitions. I’d keep him if it meant he was a rotation option and got no more than 25 games a season.
Who are these more than 8?
Only ones i can think of is Rojo, Jones, Young and Valencia.
Darmian, Fellaini are another 2.
Don't think we will see a mass exodus.It will be a phased exit, with those who had very little role this year exiting first.
Darmian ,Rojo and Jones for starters.
Darmian ,Rojo and Jones for starters.