Red4Ever
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Keane after Jose?
Are people for real?
I’m from cork & love the guy but just no; on so many levels
Are people for real?
I’m from cork & love the guy but just no; on so many levels
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Unless he fails, and you have totally ignored everything I have said...Money, chance of a lifetime to manage the club he loves, put himself in the shop window for other jobs if he does well.
He has literally nothing to lose in taking the job.
Exactly.Ole is basically there to open the windows and air out the funk left by Mourinho. Someone with a positive mindset who won’t kill morale by hanging his players out to dry in the press. Then when a new man takes over in the summer he does it with players who are in a better frame of mind than would be the case after 6 more months of Jose ball.
No successful manager worth his salt is going to down tools at another club and take on a 6 month probation period at Manchester United. Get that through your thick fecking head. So bring in a player who lifts spirits and plays attacking football and working on resolving the other issues at the club first and foremost.Alright, so he failed and was humbled at a rubbish team... now tell me why makes him suitable to continue this season for the biggest club in England who have a realistic chance of coming 4th, going on a run in the Champions League and have the FA Cup coming up.
Go on. Try and convince me this isn’t a complete fecking disaster.
Your brain is dubious or doubtful?My brain is dubious, but my heart loves this decision.
Well Mourinho (even a diminished Mourinho) is a far, far more capable manager than Solksjaer, so there is little reason to think results will improve long term, but I would expect a bit more positivity about the place. Ultimately it is only for 6 months, and if we finish 10th instead of 6th, does it really matter.Anyone worried?
If things go pear shape we might get relegated.
I'm hoping for the best but something tells me its not that easy.
Spot on. Having Phelan in with him is a sign that this is largely designed to appease the fanbase and bring a bit of the old days back. It's a pretty shrewd hire, but it also indicates that we've made peace with not making top 4 this year.Ole is basically there to open the windows and air out the funk left by Mourinho. Someone with a positive mindset who won’t kill morale by hanging his players out to dry in the press. Then when a new man takes over in the summer he does it with players who are in a better frame of mind than would be the case after 6 more months of Jose ball.
I think they can just buy out his contract though, and there’s nothing Spurs can do about it. Not legally anyway. But maybe I have UK contract law wrong. 34m apparently.IMO the only way you will get Poch is it you turn his head and make him force the move, I don’t see Poch doing this.
This is just my opinion but Levy won’t agree to any settlement from just a pot of cash. Poch will have to force it, then Levy will negotiate. Of course I could be wrong but from all I have seen, even with his time in Spain and his time with Bielsa he doesn’t see football like other managers. Happiness and general life come first, feeling wanting and more human things mean a lot to him. Another thing which probably seems stupid, but the more the media say *its a sure thing* will piss him off, he is his own man. I generally feel not many United fans have followed Poch much or listen to him and what he finds important to him. Again I’m not saying he wouldn’t be interested but it’s not as simple as is being made out.
Yeah seems like it.Ole is basically there to open the windows and air out the funk left by Mourinho. Someone with a positive mindset who won’t kill morale by hanging his players out to dry in the press. Then when a new man takes over in the summer he does it with players who are in a better frame of mind than would be the case after 6 more months of Jose ball.
For a man who holds loyalty and building something dear, he won’t buy out his contract, who was the last manager that ever done this?I think they can just buy out his contract though, and there’s nothing Spurs can do about it. Not legally anyway. But maybe I have UK contract law wrong. 34m apparently.
I can't see relegation ever being possible. If things go according to plan, there will be a DoF at the end of the season and enough time to find a long-term replacement. Overall, this can't get much worse than how it was under Mourinho and I believe the team will receive a short-term boost in morale which should translate on the field, but after the honeymoon period is over it will be up to Ole to find a way to keep the momentum going. Even if he fails at that, the club will be in the same shape as it would have been with Mourinho....outside of the top 4 with nothing to win for the season.Anyone worried?
If things go pear shape we might get relegated.
I'm hoping for the best but something tells me its not that easy.
Thank you for making so much sense. Those 2 managers are just not comparable. Keeping my fingers crossed that the board changes its mind. That French connection Blanc/Martial/Pogba could do wonder in the interimApparently not. According to some people on here, it was a sinking ship and him winning 3 games out of 18 and looking like a deer in a headlights doesn’t count. Keane though? That’s apparently a laughable appointment despite him having way more experience and know-how. And Blanc? That guy only won 11 trophies out of a possible 12 with PSG but that’s a farmers league and anyone would win that league with PSG... except that time he won it with Bordeaux but we’ll just choose to ignore that whenever we discuss him.
The French League is a poor league but Solskjaer winning the Norwegian Premier League or whatever the feck it’s called is damn impressive!
And I thought this day couldn’t get any worse.
Yep, Solskjaer has never won a trophy in his life.... But hey Keane has charisma and a confidence about him... which has lead to him being sacked at every mediocre management job he's ever had due to poor results and player dissatisfaction, for virtually the same reasons that lead to his Contract with Manchester United being terminated 13 years ago. But do continue to tell me how Roy Keane is the saviour to Manchester United.Keane at least LOOKS the part and has a charisma and confidence about him. Solskjaer will be like a deer in the headlights as United manager. He looked out of his depth at CARDIFF ffs. But he scored that one goal so I suppose it’s okay if he has us sitting in 15th by the end of the season... I mean he’s only interim right? Then we can give about 50m for a guy who’s never won a trophy in his life. That’s the plan, right?
Yeah I can really see this ending well.
And remember that as both player and coach Solskjær got no experience of being the underdog and fighting relegation. He only knows how to set up attacking teams that dominate. Him and Cardiff wasn't a good fit.Frank Rijkaard got Sparta Rotterdam relegated the year before he went to Barcelona, Luis Enrique failed miserably at Roma, Pochettino was essentially sacked by Espanyol when the team was in last place in the league. The list goes on and on, most managers have a bad run, very often early on.
Likewise when was the last time a club kept a wantaway manager? I’m not saying he wants to leave but if he decides he wants to listen to an offer from United his position at Spurs becomes untenable.For a man who holds loyalty and building something dear, he won’t buy out his contract, who was the last manager that ever done this?
I have said IF he is adamant on leaving he will go, but from everything he has said I don’t see that. If he wants it, he will let it known he does and he will go, I will be dissapointed but we will move on. What I am saying is I don’t see it getting to that stage.Likewise when was the last time a club kept a wantaway manager? I’m not saying he wants to leave but if he decides he wants to listen to an offer from United his position at Spurs becomes untenable.
I can’t velieve anyone would seriously countenance that either. He’s every bit as toxic as Maureen.Are people really serious that Keane was ever a possibility? He spent the last 2 years ripping into the club and players.
I don’t think he’ll publically state it, but privately is another issue. He’s already been remarkably uncommitted when faced with questions today. Clear he is keeping his options open. I bet his reps have already been sounded out.I have said IF he is adamant on leaving he will go, but from everything he has said I don’t see that. If he wants it, he will let it known he does and he will go, I will be dissapointed but we will move on. What I am saying is I don’t see it getting to that stage.
It is only till the end of the season. We should be positive and give him a chance.We have sacked Jose and replaced him with ole. I seriously can’t believe how this is seen as a positive. He has managed a Norwegian team who should win the league every year and actually managed not to do that, he has managed Cardiff and got them relegated. Jose has won countless top trophies and will go on to win more. Ole won’t.
I mean only on the caf can this be seen as a positive.
I could be proven wrong and history re-writes itself but what an incredibly incompetent decision given the facts in front of you.
We are officially in a similar decline to the scousers after their successful period and the worrying thing is our fans are following in the same footsteps thinking these nostalgic decisions are good ones.
Keane has been a utter failure of a manager and now has failed multiple times as an Assistant Manager.He was a bench warmer. But that’s beside the point... he has no business being United manager. Good player or not. Especially when he’s already made a show of himself in the PL. Nothing he’s done at Cardiff made me think he could be a good manager.
And the fact that people are excited about this baffles me.
But apparently Blanc and Keane weren’t suitable... Okay....
Why do people have to make stuff up in order to justify the fairly ordinary point that this might not be a great decision?We have sacked Jose and replaced him with ole. I seriously can’t believe how this is seen as a positive. He has managed a Norwegian team who should win the league every year and actually managed not to do that, he has managed Cardiff and got them relegated. Jose has won countless top trophies and will go on to win more. Ole won’t.
I mean only on the caf can this be seen as a positive.
I could be proven wrong and history re-writes itself but what an incredibly incompetent decision given the facts in front of you.
We are officially in a similar decline to the scousers after their successful period and the worrying thing is our fans are following in the same footsteps thinking these nostalgic decisions are good ones.
If he gets the respect from the players which he will being a legend at our club, then I don't think there's nothing to be worried about and about relegation your joking right?Anyone worried?
If things go pear shape we might get relegated.
I'm hoping for the best but something tells me its not that easy.
What reputable top-class manager wants to come in as a 'stop gap' at a club that's struggling in relation to where it wants to be?We have sacked Jose and replaced him with ole. I seriously can’t believe how this is seen as a positive. He has managed a Norwegian team who should win the league every year and actually managed not to do that, he has managed Cardiff and got them relegated. Jose has won countless top trophies and will go on to win more. Ole won’t.
I mean only on the caf can this be seen as a positive.
I could be proven wrong and history re-writes itself but what an incredibly incompetent decision given the facts in front of you.
We are officially in a similar decline to the scousers after their successful period and the worrying thing is our fans are following in the same footsteps thinking these nostalgic decisions are good ones.
Let’s hedge our betWhat reputable top-class manager wants to come in as a 'stop gap' at a club that's struggling in relation to where it wants to be?
Yeah let's get Guardiola in for six months.
Look I have issues with Ole as much as the next person. He's done 'good' at Molde, not amazing, and his spell at Cardiff was a disaster but I also think it was a bad fit. He hasn't done anything to prove himself as a Manchester United manager basically; or a top-class manager at all.
BUT, at the same time he is coming in for six months. He knows the club inside and out, he knows the identity, he'll get the fans and players on his side, he is a disciple of Fergie and will no doubt be seeking his advice on the regular while here and I think he'll lean on Carrick/McKenna/Butt/Murtough etc. heavily.
He's only here to stop the rot so to speak while we create a long term strategy in the mean time. He's here to steady the ship and give some calm and hope to a turbulent squad that looks lost. Come summer we'll have a DoF who has evaluated the squad, a seemingly steady background of coaches and a progressive manager like Poch.
It could be disaster, I agree with that, but I'm willing to get behind Ole and give him a fair crack as an interim manager.
It's kind of silly, kind of logical. Could go either way.