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[Poll] Next permanent United manager
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There is nothing to research. He won the Austrian league with a team vastly superior in every aspect to the competition.How about doing some research in a person and then see why people believe he’d be a good fit!
Apparently, he won a Youth Cup, too. So there's that.
LVG and Mourinho had entered the latter stages of their respective careers and were clearly on the decline before they took on the United job. Unfortunately, we discovered that small fact too late.
Whilst a proven winning pedigree is certainly no guarantee of success, it is a significantly stronger indicator than an unknown quantity. Appointing Rose would be no less risky than sticking with OGS.
He could very well be another Moyes. Can we really afford to take that risk given the circumstances?
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Can't say I'd ever heard of Marco Rose before you guys started talking him up but he seems very much to be the Frenkie De Jong of football managers. Every hipster on football twitter seems to think he's the greatest person ever to football.
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There's my #1 choice Jardim gone. On the above list I would hope Ole earns it
So, you just go off of people wiki page or something? No other research in terms of what the managers tactics, philosophy etc?
Scary that Gareth Southgate has 23 votes. Who are you guys? 
I think the DOF is just as important and we need to get that appointment spot on. Last thing we need is to get our next few signings wrong. The next four players in could make our break our squad. Imagine the equivalent of another Darmian, Rojo, Sneiderlin and Mkhitaryan being brought in? Our new manager and new DOF have a lot of deadwood to replace, hoping they can get it right quickly.
I think the DOF is just as important and we need to get that appointment spot on. Last thing we need is to get our next few signings wrong. The next four players in could make our break our squad. Imagine the equivalent of another Darmian, Rojo, Sneiderlin and Mkhitaryan being brought in? Our new manager and new DOF have a lot of deadwood to replace, hoping they can get it right quickly.
Also did well in the Europa League.
Comparing Rose to Moyes..
Can that term also be referred to as thinking outside the box?
I don't know anything about Marco Rose' tactical nouse, admittedly, but I guess that is the point, he hasn't done anything worthy of remembrance.
The likes of Zidane, Allegri, Poch, Jardim etc have all proven themselves to be tactically astute and they have done so in the biggest leagues in Europe. Rose cannot make that claim.
The club cannot afford to take such a huge risk on an unknown quantity, not after 5 years of relative failure. Just my opinion.
I am just happy that someone like Marco Rose is on our list, it seems our club/board is changing and that's a good thing. I expected our shortlist to be something like Zidane, Allegri and Ancelotti plus maybe chasing Pep or Klopp because we are that delusional. I would probably still prefer Poch or Jardim, but Rose is a very talented manager and everyone from Austria can tell you how fantastic his achievements at Salzburg have been so far. Even if you ignore the Youth league win or the great job in the EL, Salzburg is looking better than they ever did, bar maybe a short spell under Roger Schmidt, who never had a plan B though. So it's way too easy to say they have always won the league, yeah they have but they never played that great and looked so good and balanced as team overall.
Can you confirm otherwise?Comparing Rose to Moyes..
So I think you’ve just said it yourself, you don’t know anything about Rose and his tactics.
Look at Ranieri, he won the PL, he is where now? Don’t go just off of what you read in paper and watch on the news. Do some of your own research at why people are mentioning him.
As you like stats, he’s not lost a game this year. Has won every EL game this year, with “bigger clubs from bigger leagues” within the group. Apparently, his team have scores 65 goals conceding 26 this year.
Moyes was never renowned for a particular style of football. All he did was keep Everton stably in mid table. What separates the likes of Moyes, Pulis, Allardyce etc from Favre, Jardim, Rose, Pochettino, Nagelsmann etc is that the latter coaches show clear tactical acumen even when they were managing smaller sides and often get them to punch above their weight. Their preferred styles are quite different from the "keep-it-tight-at-the-back-and-hope" lot.
Of course, I haven't seen Rose's teams, but I'm including his name on the assumption he belongs to that ilk based on what others have said about him.
In this market, the only managers with pedigree are Allegri, Conte, Simeone and Mourinho. None of them fit our vision.
Rose isn't similar to Moyes at all, could he be a disaster like Moyes? Yeah, anything is possible. Would I rather take a risk on someone like him than say Allegri or Blanc? Of bloody course. Football is meant to be fun.
Why do people want Rose over Solskjær? They're comparable in a lot of aspects and what they have achieved, but OGS also knows how the PL and club works. He even has coaching experience from the club and has learned how to manage it from the best there ever was.
I get people who want someone more experienced in the big leagues than Solskjær, but him and Rose would be the same kind of risk. Still, on paper Solskjær would edge it over Rose.
I get people who want someone more experienced in the big leagues than Solskjær, but him and Rose would be the same kind of risk. Still, on paper Solskjær would edge it over Rose.
Exactly. No manager is assured. We signed Jose as we would have been assired a league title. We all know how that turned out.
We have to go for a manager who matches our ethos as a club. You are them assured for better success.
Why does anyone give a vote to Zidane?
He hasn't built one team, he quit the job when Ronaldo left.
Why would anyone want a manager that would quit at any time when he want's some time off? Does anyone actually believe that Zidane would be a perfect match for United?
I really would like to see how the team performs under Ole, and if we improve and continue to win games and score 2-4 goals each game he's my man!
He hasn't built one team, he quit the job when Ronaldo left.
Why would anyone want a manager that would quit at any time when he want's some time off? Does anyone actually believe that Zidane would be a perfect match for United?
I really would like to see how the team performs under Ole, and if we improve and continue to win games and score 2-4 goals each game he's my man!
If you want to insult Rose then draw AVB comparisons, that fits better and would interest me more.
And also, lets give it to Ole!
And also, lets give it to Ole!
Read up about Marco Rose's football style and compare it to Moyes. The difference is day and night. Read about his number two Maric aswell..
Rose has shown his tactical nous in the Europa league. And before that in the Uefa youth league, winning the tournament against the odds playing a very exciting brand of football.
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I like this:
A progressive, forward thinking manager with some success. Our Anti-Klopp to Liverpool's Klopp. What's not to like.
As of now, his description alone makes me want him as second choice after Ole and before Pochettino. Above all, I hope Ole proves himself this season of course, the current style is exciting enough.
Ole, Rose, or Zidane for me.
Poch hasn't accomplished anything with Tottenham. They've crumbled whenever it matters most, and he hasn't been able to utilize a pretty talented squad. Not convinced by him.
And Blanc shouldn't even be a consideration.
Poch hasn't accomplished anything with Tottenham. They've crumbled whenever it matters most, and he hasn't been able to utilize a pretty talented squad. Not convinced by him.
And Blanc shouldn't even be a consideration.
I can't get my head round putting Rose above Pochettino beavaise he's won the Austrian league.
Neither can I
I’m all for Rose, he’s my no.1 choice. However, you can’t keep beating Poch with the stick that his team crumbles. He’s just not been given the backing to assemble a squad to win. Only has a 1st team to challenge, that’s all.
The point is there's no point throwing 40m at Poch while we can get what he does with other managers that are easier to get anyway, actually have one of them managing the club now.
Think Solksjaer is a done deal now. Will never be an unknown. Managing Manchester United demands more than tactics.
We've already taken risk on Solskjaer and it's working perfectly so far. Rose is a very good candidate.
Not because of that. It's because Pochettino's style, despite being fairly entertaining, is not the pinnacle of attacking football it is made out to be. Sometimes, Spurs games are quite boring, even if they score a lot of goals. I'd argue Ole's style is more exciting, though admittedly the sample size of 3 games against fodder may not be enough to convince.
I do my own research thanks.
We have already established that there is nothing to research on Rose beyond a league title triumph in Austria and an endearing brand of football. There are a great many managers across Europe who play attractive football and they do so in significantly stronger leagues (I cannot stress that point enough) not to mention winning trophies at the highest level of the game. I trust I don't need to name them all.
I'm not saying he would fail either, rather that the risk is too great given the precarious situation the club finds itself in at present. After 3 managerial failures and 5 years of relative obscurity, Woodward and the board absolutely must get the next appointment correct. There is no more room for failure and they will be entirely aware of that fact.
That wasn't what I meant (it's my fault for not putting the point across properly).
I meant to ask if you could confirm that he carries any less of a risk than that of the David Moyes appointment?
I don't want him because he's won the Austrian League. I want him because he's knocked out teams like Dortmund and Lazio over 2 legs and reached a European semi. He also topped a group ahead of RB Leipzig, who are the team that cherry picks the players from RB Salzburg.
He's done all that, including winning the Uefa Youth League playing a very exciting brand of football.
We've had a good wee start under Ole but really it's three games we should be winning anyway so jury is out, that said, it's wonderful to see the team play with some confidence and a smile but I think anyone could have done that.
I think whoever comes in should consider keeping Phelan and Carrick as part of the set up, Phelan in particular and Ole seems to be keen to work with both men so that's a positive for them.
Zidane is an obvious choice but then apparently so was Mourinho for a lot of people and look where he got us!
Poch plays nice football but Spurs have crumbled more than once under his stewardship I don't really see what the fuss is all about, unless of course he brings his best two players with him but that's unlikely.
Simone? Jesus Wept, he'd be another Mourinho all over again with his style of football.
Another thing I'll say for Ole is he seems a real people motivator, Phelan is a great coach and Carrick is learning so I can see them with a director of football being a real winning formula.
I guess it all depends on whether or not Woodward, who I'd also see leave, wants another famous name in the managers chair or not.
What I want is someone who will stay for the duration, would Zidane want the job for six or seven years? I doubt it, Ole on the other hand, probably.
I do hope Ole gets a few quid now January has come.
I think whoever comes in should consider keeping Phelan and Carrick as part of the set up, Phelan in particular and Ole seems to be keen to work with both men so that's a positive for them.
Zidane is an obvious choice but then apparently so was Mourinho for a lot of people and look where he got us!
Poch plays nice football but Spurs have crumbled more than once under his stewardship I don't really see what the fuss is all about, unless of course he brings his best two players with him but that's unlikely.
Simone? Jesus Wept, he'd be another Mourinho all over again with his style of football.
Another thing I'll say for Ole is he seems a real people motivator, Phelan is a great coach and Carrick is learning so I can see them with a director of football being a real winning formula.
I guess it all depends on whether or not Woodward, who I'd also see leave, wants another famous name in the managers chair or not.
What I want is someone who will stay for the duration, would Zidane want the job for six or seven years? I doubt it, Ole on the other hand, probably.
I do hope Ole gets a few quid now January has come.
You’re definitely taking the piss. But on the off chance you’re not, he’s a terrible manager. And after the way he rounded on United when he was at City he can feck right off.
OGS was a smart appointment under the circumstances (the board are not as stupid as we all thought they were eh?) but you're right it has worked out really well when it could just as easily backfired. Rose would be an even bigger risk in my opinion.
It doesn't matter who we appoint, there's no certainty. Our last two managers had won 3 European cups between them, but ultimately the football was shite. We need to appoint a coach who will have us playing on the front foot and bring excitement to our fans. Marco Rose fits that profile and has got RB Salzburg punching way above their weight.
I want United to play the way Rose sets his team up to play football. It's a very exciting way of playing football that will go down well with our fans.
One of things I don't like is the term Gegenpressing which to me credits Klopp/German coaches/whoever when it is nothing more than players working hard to win the ball back as soon as possible and as high up the pitch as possible after losing possession. Correct me if I'm wrong though.I like this:
A progressive, forward thinking manager with some success. Our Anti-Klopp to Liverpool's Klopp. What's not to like.
As of now, his description alone makes me want him as second choice after Ole and before Pochettino. Above all, I hope Ole proves himself this season of course, the current style is exciting enough.
But anyway the reason I don't like it is because SAF used to do it all the time but it's treated like a new development. Remember how we used to camp outside the oppositions box till we scored? We used to leave Rio and Vidic one on one, and continuously win the ball in opposition half and have 5-6 players in the opposition box.
We never had a term for it but that was one of the features defining SAF's football.
Whoever it is, judging by the board's interim appointment and targets, we are seriously looking to change our direction and atleast entertain before we win trophies. I think we are in for a happy 2019, no more gloomy football, cheers.
Absolutely, that they gave OGS a shot after his failure with Cardiff is testament to that.Whoever it is, judging by the board's interim appointment and targets, we are seriously looking to change our direction and atleast entertain before we win trophies. I think we are in for a happy 2019, no more gloomy football, cheers.
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