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Agreed.Blanc has no right to be on that list.
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Agreed.Blanc has no right to be on that list.
There is nothing to research. He won the Austrian league with a team vastly superior in every aspect to the competition.How about doing some research in a person and then see why people believe he’d be a good fit!
LVG and Mourinho had entered the latter stages of their respective careers and were clearly on the decline before they took on the United job. Unfortunately, we discovered that small fact too late.Because proven winners like LvG and Mourinho were successes right?
Rose, according to knowledgeable people here, plays attacking football with a structure. Plus, Salzburg topped an EL group with Celtic and Leipzig in it -- which is a massive achievement for a club their size.
As an example, look at Favre who seemingly managed lesser clubs before and what he's doing with Dortmund now.
Can't say I'd ever heard of Marco Rose before you guys started talking him up but he seems very much to be the Frenkie De Jong of football managers. Every hipster on football twitter seems to think he's the greatest person ever to football.
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There's my #1 choice Jardim gone. On the above list I would hope Ole earns it3/5 For me
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We definitely would not have got them in the manner which we did.
So, you just go off of people wiki page or something? No other research in terms of what the managers tactics, philosophy etc?There is nothing to research. He won the Austrian league with a team vastly superior in every aspect to the competition.
Apparently, he won a Youth Cup, too. So there's that.
LVG and Mourinho had entered the latter stages of their respective careers and were clearly on the decline before they took on the United job. Unfortunately, we discovered that small fact too late.
Whilst a proven winning pedigree is certainly no guarantee of success, it is a significantly stronger indicator than an unknown quantity. Appointing Rose would be no less risky than sticking with OGS.
He could very well be another Moyes. Can we really afford to take that risk given the circumstances?
Also did well in the Europa League.There is nothing to research. He won the Austrian league with a team vastly superior in every aspect to the competition.
Apparently, he won a Youth Cup, too. So there's that.
LVG and Mourinho had entered the latter stages of their respective careers and were clearly on the decline before they took on the United job. Unfortunately, we discovered that small fact too late.
Whilst a proven winning pedigree is certainly no guarantee of success, it is a significantly stronger indicator than an unknown quantity. Appointing Rose would be no less risky than sticking with OGS.
He could very well be another Moyes. Can we really afford to take that risk given the circumstances?
Can that term also be referred to as thinking outside the box?There's a proper cultural meaning but broadly it means people who just try to be 'different' (reject popular choice/consensus).
Not an insult necessarily. Klopp and Dortmund were the hipster favourite not too long ago.
I don't know anything about Marco Rose' tactical nouse, admittedly, but I guess that is the point, he hasn't done anything worthy of remembrance.So, you just go off of people wiki page or something? No other research in terms of what the managers tactics, philosophy etc?
Can you confirm otherwise?Comparing Rose to Moyes..
So I think you’ve just said it yourself, you don’t know anything about Rose and his tactics.I don't know anything about Marco Rose' tactical nouse, admittedly, but I guess that is the point, he hasn't done anything worthy of remembrance.
The likes of Zidane, Allegri, Poch, Jardim etc have all proven themselves to be tactically astute and they have done so in the biggest leagues in Europe. Rose cannot make that claim.
The club cannot afford to take such a huge risk on an unknown quantity, not after 5 years of relative failure. Just my opinion.
Moyes was never renowned for a particular style of football. All he did was keep Everton stably in mid table. What separates the likes of Moyes, Pulis, Allardyce etc from Favre, Jardim, Rose, Pochettino, Nagelsmann etc is that the latter coaches show clear tactical acumen even when they were managing smaller sides and often get them to punch above their weight. Their preferred styles are quite different from the "keep-it-tight-at-the-back-and-hope" lot.There is nothing to research. He won the Austrian league with a team vastly superior in every aspect to the competition.
Apparently, he won a Youth Cup, too. So there's that.
LVG and Mourinho had entered the latter stages of their respective careers and were clearly on the decline before they took on the United job. Unfortunately, we discovered that small fact too late.
Whilst a proven winning pedigree is certainly no guarantee of success, it is a significantly stronger indicator than an unknown quantity. Appointing Rose would be no less risky than sticking with OGS.
He could very well be another Moyes. Can we really afford to take that risk given the circumstances?
Exactly. No manager is assured. We signed Jose as we would have been assired a league title. We all know how that turned out.Rose isn't similar to Moyes at all, could he be a disaster like Moyes? Yeah, anything is possible. Would I rather take a risk on someone like him than say Allegri or Blanc? Of bloody course. Football is meant to be fun.
Read up about Marco Rose's football style and compare it to Moyes. The difference is day and night. Read about his number two Maric aswell..Can you confirm otherwise?
I like this:
A progressive, forward thinking manager with some success. Our Anti-Klopp to Liverpool's Klopp. What's not to like.What's his style? Rose played under both Klopp and the PSG manager Thomas Tuchel and worked with the latter as a coach at Mainz, so United fans will be pleased to hear his approach is a high-intensity, attacking one. Gegenpressing plays a big part in Red Bull's approach under Rose, with his players working hard to win the ball back as soon as possible and as high up the pitch as possible after losing possession. Rose played under Jurgen Klopp at Mainz It is a tactic employed by Klopp at Liverpool and, perhaps to a marginally lesser extent, Pep Guardiola at Manchester City.
Neither can II can't get my head round putting Rose above Pochettino beavaise he's won the Austrian league.
I’m all for Rose, he’s my no.1 choice. However, you can’t keep beating Poch with the stick that his team crumbles. He’s just not been given the backing to assemble a squad to win. Only has a 1st team to challenge, that’s all.Ole, Rose, or Zidane for me.
Poch hasn't accomplished anything with Tottenham. They've crumbled whenever it matters most, and he hasn't been able to utilize a pretty talented squad. Not convinced by him.
And Blanc shouldn't even be a consideration.
The point is there's no point throwing 40m at Poch while we can get what he does with other managers that are easier to get anyway, actually have one of them managing the club now.I’m all for Rose, he’s my no.1 choice. However, you can’t keep beating Poch with the stick that his team crumbles. He’s just not been given the backing to assemble a squad to win. Only has a 1st team to challenge, that’s all.
We've already taken risk on Solskjaer and it's working perfectly so far. Rose is a very good candidate.I don't know anything about Marco Rose' tactical nouse, admittedly, but I guess that is the point, he hasn't done anything worthy of remembrance.
The likes of Zidane, Allegri, Poch, Jardim etc have all proven themselves to be tactically astute and they have done so in the biggest leagues in Europe. Rose cannot make that claim.
The club cannot afford to take such a huge risk on an unknown quantity, not after 5 years of relative failure. Just my opinion.
Not because of that. It's because Pochettino's style, despite being fairly entertaining, is not the pinnacle of attacking football it is made out to be. Sometimes, Spurs games are quite boring, even if they score a lot of goals. I'd argue Ole's style is more exciting, though admittedly the sample size of 3 games against fodder may not be enough to convince.I can't get my head round putting Rose above Pochettino beavaise he's won the Austrian league.
I do my own research thanks.So I think you’ve just said it yourself, you don’t know anything about Rose and his tactics.
Look at Ranieri, he won the PL, he is where now? Don’t go just off of what you read in paper and watch on the news. Do some of your own research at why people are mentioning him.
As you like stats, he’s not lost a game this year. Has won every EL game this year, with “bigger clubs from bigger leagues” within the group. Apparently, his team have scores 65 goals conceding 26 this year.
That wasn't what I meant (it's my fault for not putting the point across properly).Read up about Marco Rose's football style and compare it to Moyes. The difference is day and night. Read about his number two Maric aswell..
Rose has shown his tactical nous in the Europa league. And before that in the Uefa youth league, winning the tournament against the odds playing a very exciting brand of football.
I don't want him because he's won the Austrian League. I want him because he's knocked out teams like Dortmund and Lazio over 2 legs and reached a European semi. He also topped a group ahead of RB Leipzig, who are the team that cherry picks the players from RB Salzburg.I can't get my head round putting Rose above Pochettino beavaise he's won the Austrian league.
You’re definitely taking the piss. But on the off chance you’re not, he’s a terrible manager. And after the way he rounded on United when he was at City he can feck right off.Still Sparky for me. City, Blackburn, Stoke and Southampton aside, he's a top manager, gets the club and will strengthen us at the back.
OGS was a smart appointment under the circumstances (the board are not as stupid as we all thought they were eh?) but you're right it has worked out really well when it could just as easily backfired. Rose would be an even bigger risk in my opinion.We've already taken risk on Solskjaer and it's working perfectly so far. Rose is a very good candidate.
It doesn't matter who we appoint, there's no certainty. Our last two managers had won 3 European cups between them, but ultimately the football was shite. We need to appoint a coach who will have us playing on the front foot and bring excitement to our fans. Marco Rose fits that profile and has got RB Salzburg punching way above their weight.That wasn't what I meant (it's my fault for not putting the point across properly).
I meant to ask if you could confirm that he carries any less of a risk than that of the David Moyes appointment?
One of things I don't like is the term Gegenpressing which to me credits Klopp/German coaches/whoever when it is nothing more than players working hard to win the ball back as soon as possible and as high up the pitch as possible after losing possession. Correct me if I'm wrong though.I like this:
A progressive, forward thinking manager with some success. Our Anti-Klopp to Liverpool's Klopp. What's not to like.
As of now, his description alone makes me want him as second choice after Ole and before Pochettino. Above all, I hope Ole proves himself this season of course, the current style is exciting enough.
Whoever it is, judging by the board's interim appointment and targets, we are seriously looking to change our direction and atleast entertain before we win trophies. I think we are in for a happy 2019, no more gloomy football, cheers.It doesn't matter who we appoint, there's no certainty. Our last two managers had won 3 European cups between them, but ultimately the football was shite. We need to appoint a coach who will have us playing on the front foot and bring excitement to our fans. Marco Rose fits that profile and has got RB Salzburg punching way above their weight.
I want United to play the way Rose sets his team up to play football. It's a very exciting way of playing football that will go down well with our fans.
Absolutely, that they gave OGS a shot after his failure with Cardiff is testament to that.Whoever it is, judging by the board's interim appointment and targets, we are seriously looking to change our direction and atleast entertain before we win trophies. I think we are in for a happy 2019, no more gloomy football, cheers.