If we finish 4th, should Ole get the job full time? [Poll added]

[Sanche7]

Way to early to tell and if you ask me, when he was hired, the decision the board made was to have him as a temporary manager till the season ends, irrespective of good bad or how good it goes.
I think we already have ouran figured out / are currently negotiating with him and so I don't think Ole will get the job

Does he deserve the job? It's too early to say. He has done a fantastic job in the four matches he's been in charge of but that is a very small sample pool. We are yet to see him go up Against a tactical manager.
Can he outsmart the best in the biz like Pep, Klopp, Allegri?
Can he build teams and keep the superstars happy in the long run?
How will he handle the pressure of losing a few matches?

He has come in at possibly the easiest time anyone could have come in with the fans and the board considering the season a write off, with players just happy to see the back of Mou and fans looking for some ray of hope, of positivity. Things will be different next year, when we will be expected to compete for the title. How will he respond to that pressure? We don't know the answers to that yet

 

[Patrick08]

There'd be absolutely no reason why he shouldn't. That would be a miraculous feat for any incoming manager and would give him well-earned merit for the full-time role.

There would be some reasons. I am surprised by the poll results actually

 

[red_de_pologne]

I'm beginning to favour Ole staying on for a further season and see how that goes. I just think a new manager will be new dawn again with too much upheaval. Ole can just buy a few players (centre-back, right-back and possibly a right-sided winger) and see how it goes.

This would also give any new DoF coming in more time to evaluate the whole set-up of the club and any decent youth players coming through the system.

this is the perfect solution, or so it seems right now, let's see us against better sides, let's see us in Europe

 

[RedPed]

Yes he should get the job. There is absolutely no guarantees we will be successful with any other manager we bring in.

Imagine a situation where Ole were to perform a miracle and get us in the top 4... only for us to appoint another manager at the end of the season who doesn't end up performing? We would be looking back at the decision to not appoint Ole as the worst managerial decision we've made since SAF retired. It would be a bigger mistake than appointing any of the last 3 - worse than the Moyes decision.

That's exactly what I think is going to happen. Everybody wanting a big-name, shiny new toy when there's absolutely no guarantee it will work out after they have dismissed a manager who was doing really. I couldn't care less if OGS for top 4 or not. For me it would be about what he is trying to build at United. It's taken Poch and Klopp years to get where they are at Spurs/Liverpool.

We've already gone down the big name route and failed miserably. I'd be gutted if we let OGS go at the end of the season, get a new manager in and turn to crap again.

I guess OGS is in a win-win situation coz if the next appointment goes belly up, United would surely have to give him the gig.

 

[André Dominguez]

It's really a rhetorical question. A top 4 after a season like this, and recovering such a huge points gap surely makes him a good fit for another season.

 

[shaky]

Yes he should get the job. There is absolutely no guarantees we will be successful with any other manager we bring in.

Imagine a situation where Ole were to perform a miracle and get us in the top 4... only for us to appoint another manager at the end of the season who doesn't end up performing? We would be looking back at the decision to not appoint Ole as the worst managerial decision we've made since SAF retired. It would be a bigger mistake than appointing any of the last 3 - worse than the Moyes decision.

Exactly. Would be insane to get rid of our first promising manager in 5 years to take another random punt on someone else.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

4 games is clearly too early. But what a great opportunity he and Utd have to see if he's the right manager. If he gets 4th, and we play well against PSG (Not necessarily win, but perform well), then yes I think we should appoint him.

Getting the right manager is 50% luck - there are no certainties. Look how many managers City went through before Pep, Liverpool before Klopp and Spurs before Poch.

If OGS turns this club around into a respectable force by the end of the season, then yes he deserves it - anyone else, inc Poch is a risk. Biggest thing he lacks is getting in big players, but then Poch doesn't do that for Spurs, and the new DoF should be doing that. Chelsea just spent £58m on a player, and the manager didn't even know, transfers have little to do with managers these days.

The big test for OGS is to see how he and the team react when we lose a couple of matches and/ or don't play well.

 

[nistleloy]

If Ole achieves a top 4 finish then he will have done something the three previous managers only managed twice in 5 seasons despite their bigger reputations and spending a considerable amount of money. LVG would have probably kept his job if he had managed it in his 2nd season!

At that point give it Ole

 

[Sultan]

He's won 6 Premiership trophies, Champions League, and the FA Cup. Managed for a number of years. Hardly a person who lacks experience in football. United is his passion. He's a fan and would want the best.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

No, because we wouldn't want a Di Matteo situation repeating itself. I'd go all out for Allegri tbh- on and off the pitch he's everything you'd want in a Manchester United Manager.

Di Matteo did feck all in the league

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

He's won 6 Premiership trophies, Champions League, and the FA Cup. Managed for a number of years. Hardly a person who lacks experience in football. United is his passion. He's a fan and would want the best.

In addition, Molde have only ever won their league three times in their entire history. OGS was the manager for two of those titles. Reminiscent of Fergie at Aberdeen.

 

[CA_vampire]

This is obvious, isn't it?

 

[Cockney Phil]

I don’t get the fascination with Poch, a proven bottler at a club that’s won nothing in the Prem since it started.

Ole and the United family culture has stepped into the mess made by the Sacked One and restored our standing as a football club. It’s not just the results but also the feel good factor that comes with restoring our culture. There is a sense of a guiding hand from SAF but also a unified spirit of club, players and fans for the first time since 2013. I sense everyone has finally learned a lesson from top to bottom about the dynamics of management required for this club. It’s been a hard lesson learned, the last time we ignored our heritage it ended in relegation. This time we nearly imploded - do we really want to try another outsider?

Give Ole the job irrespective of fourth.

 

[Shark]

Thing is, if we take a gamble on Poch and it goes to shit, I’m sure Ole would always come back for the full time time.

 

[Ace of Spades]

The worship for Pochettino in this forum never ceases to amaze me. You would think that he is Sir Matt Busby from some of the posts here. Where in fact, he has yet to win a single trophy despite managing for more than a decade.

Spot on, I am taking it game by game with Ole, but the Poch worship is ridiculous. A very overrated manager, who is nothing special. His football is good, but not exciting or sublime. I mean we have scored 3 less goals than their team even after being a defensive side for most of the season. Has he even reached any finals in that time ?? If it is not Ole, then there are other managers who I would prefer ahead of him.

 

[steakpie]

Yes but please no more 6 year contracts!

A 1 year rolling contract with some nice bonus incentives for example £3m for a trophy.

 

[Flytan]

4th +/or a Champions League Semifinal and I think he would deserve it.

My issue is if something like we finish 5th by 3 or so points and only do decently instead of well in the UCL (say beat PSG but then get rocked by Barca or something). There's an argument that he still deserves the job and that will split fans. Sets up a rocky decision either way from our board and whichever decision they make would likely be criticized pushing next season into drama.

of course that could just be me being used to things being shit for the past half decade.

 

[tonnas]

Not sure, Pochettino would be a much safer bet BUT if we do well, get a great DOF and a good team assistant him especially tactical wise, then why not? Would love it tbh, everyone loves OLE but still undecided/afraid.

 

[LuckyScout78]

For me i would say yes to that. See how far United was from top 4 when he took over. But still United hasnt meet the top 6 clubs yet. If he got top 4 in the end. Then i think it might meant to be him for more years. Suprisely teams like Chelsea and Tottenham start to drop points where they should win. And if United gonna get top 4, the teams above have to drop points too. The signs are. Things look to goes his way. And if things meant to goes his way. He will remain here, until its time for him to leave.

Ole was a really good sharp striker. But at the same time. He was and had the right time and the right place factor. And so far after 4 games, where United should be a better team and team like Chelsea should beat Southampton at home. Its looks like things goes Ole way.

But Ole came really fast right after Jose sacking. And what come really fast will and leave really fast too, usually. Easy come and easy go. He might be here for some years, but im not sure he is natural leader to be here for decade or more. Im not sure and dont get that feeling. He is the one. The choosen one for decade, a dynasty. You have skills and experience, but if you dont have the ladyluck and luck and that things goes your way, on your side. Skills and experience will not help much. Dont underestimate unvisible factor like luck and the margin. The biggest factor to success. That is why we always wish everyone good luck, buddy. And it invisible, so only time will tell. What the future will bring.

But if you are negative and do bad things. You might attract negative energy than positive energy like luck. Law of attraction. And football is just a part of life. It will affect in football like in general of life. So again, personally i will say yes so far if he get top 4. But if the script has already been written. It will happen as it was been written already. Some things are just meant to happen. It has been a nice movie so far, more natural written. So im suggestion my thought, but at the same time i accept. The meant to be.

 

[Striker10]

I think position don't matter. I think if the general theme continues absolutely. Some boxes aren't ticked but MANY are. People will say too soon or don't deserve it but luck plays a part. We could be talking about Will Keane today and not Rashford. Luck gave Ole the opportunity and he's not doing to bad. If you win over the support and the squad? You can't not hire him tbh

 

[Eric's Seagull]

If Ole gets us into the Champions League my favour would sway to towards him to get the job permanently as he will have earned it.
Happy with how its going and am looking forward to it and just taking each game at a time. It would take a massive task to succeed in this although Chelsea helped us with their draw yesterday.

I think having Phelan alongside Ole is a good choice of experienced guy to have and hopefully this will help him in the big games.
If he gets us Champions League football and puts in good results against the other bigger teams in the league, then he's in with a shout in my opinion.

If we keep Ole I think we will have to all we can to keep Phelan as well as his experience from all years will be vital in passing down to Ole, if Ole were to get it and Phelan went back to SC Mariner's it would be interesting to see who comes in and I think this would be an important appointment in itself.

 

[midnightmare]

Get 4th, playing well and it will be a fantastic achievement. Ole took over when we were 11 behind 4th. The max gap any team has made up in PL history (to get 4th) after 17/18 games is 5 points. So, if Ole manages it, he will set a record - and it'll be based over 21 league games managed. It would require us to play consistently well and hold or beat nearly everyone including our rivals for this Top 4 spot. People seem to miss the point when underestimating how steep this task really is.

Also, it would not be like Roberto di Matteo. di Matteo ended the league in 6th! He had brilliant Cup runs and that was the fatal flaw. Chelsea appointed a guy that was a decent Cup manager to a full-time role where the league was the most important target. Were we to find Ole doing well in the league, it would be a big difference to what Chelsea did - as we'd be judging on a relevant parameter. Of course, a deep CL run / FA Cup run would be nice too. It'd show us challenging on multiple fronts and show he's capable of juggling things like a Man United manager should. I don't want another manager who has to prioritize one area over others. That's not how a team of our stature should be. Frankly, it should embarrass us to be "throwing away" league games in the hope to do well elsewhere / vice versa.

 

[shaky]

Thing is, if we take a gamble on Poch and it goes to shit, I’m sure Ole would always come back for the full time time.

And another 2-3 years down the pan? No thanks. I'm happy with the Utd staff, Carrick, Phelan etc, and I'm sure the players are too. No point in letting a new guy come in and move them all on and shake everything up again. Honestly, I wouldn't swap what we have now for Pep, Klopp or anyone as long as we continue to play football the way we have been recently.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

And another 2-3 years down the pan? No thanks. I'm happy with the Utd staff, Carrick, Phelan etc, and I'm sure the players are too. No point in letting a new guy come in and move them all on and shake everything up again. Honestly, I wouldn't swap what we have now for Pep, Klopp or anyone as long as we continue to play football the way we have been recently.

Yes, it not just a manager that would be appointed. It is the whole coaching staff as well. Having a well functioning team of coaches and a manager that together emulates a great manager is vital and easier to create than appointing the "perfect" manager. Personally i think it is preferable to have a set up similar to what we have now, that seems like a fairly flat structure among the coaches and the manager and where everybody is allowed to come with input. And with a manager that allowes this as well.

 

[Robbo's Shoulder]

Yes and I've changed to OGS in the next manager poll. He's really impressed me so far, not just on the field but his bearing and attitude of it as well.
The days of 5 year contracts are gone imo so offer him 2/3 years and see how he does, it's a shame that he won't be given funds in this window as i feel that if he was allowed to strengthen defensively we would have a much greater chance not just of top 4 but going to the later rounds of the CL.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

If he proves he can tactically match it with the big teams in England & against PSG then he should be considered.

What is the Ole style though?

 

[Sassy Colin]

The same comment I made in the next manger thread.

Woodwoodwood is not going to spend 6 months looking for a new manager and then say to them "but if Ole does well, then I will give the job to him instead". No one will even consider taking the job on that basis.

Therefore, the answer has to be no.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

And another 2-3 years down the pan? No thanks. I'm happy with the Utd staff, Carrick, Phelan etc, and I'm sure the players are too. No point in letting a new guy come in and move them all on and shake everything up again. Honestly, I wouldn't swap what we have now for Pep, Klopp or anyone as long as we continue to play football the way we have been recently.

At the moment the team of Solskjaer, Phelan, Karrick and McKenna seem to be doing well. I think with a good DoF above them they have a decent chance of doing well here, although it is still early days.

Regarding the part in bold, I wouldn't want a similar situation where Moyes came again. I also personally would not like too see us waste another few years as the longer we go without a League title the harder it will seem to gain it again.

If Poch was to come and it turns sour for whatever reason (not trying to be a doom monger) but at that point e.g Solsjkaer may take up a new job do well, been given 5 contract and give the owner his word he is going to honour it. If this situation were to happen we'd be fecked again.

So I would give the current team mentioned above until the end of the season, get in DoF and work from there.

 

[Anustart89]

It all boils down to the critieria for what I want from a Manchester United manager:

Good results
Fourth place would mean we have performed significantly better than Chelsea and Arsenal over half a season, so that's a yes
Playing good football
Jury's still out but early signs are promising
Understands the foundation of the club
Better than anyone else
Has an idea of the football that he wants to play, which is similar to the collective opinion of the supporters
Which means that he'd recruit players that fit that idea

In essence, if he makes us produce good results while playing good football and respecting the traditions of the club, I don't really see why Pochettino or any other manager should get it over him. He might tick all those boxes, he might not. In six months we'll know if Ole does, and we can decide then. If he doesn't tick all the boxes, then we'll be taking a chance on the next guy doing just that.

 

[hungrywing]

Yes but please no more 6 year contracts!

A 1 year rolling contract with some nice bonus incentives for example £3m for a trophy.

Contract length is more about countering player power. That being said, they just might do it that way.

 

[simplyared]

I believe Ole is learning more the more games he's in charge. You can sense that through watching his body language on the side lines, the way he conducts himself in pre and post match pressers etc. He's been given the opportunity to learn his trade in the best possible way and he's responding. If at the end of the season he succeeds in getting us 4th spot, then nobody could be dissappointed with that. I think we could all class that as an achievement considering how the situation was when he came in. Add to that the extra experience he would gain from now to the end of the season, and the positivity from the players, then I see no reason not to offer him the job. What would we do otherwise? Let him go so some other top club can snap him up. One thing would be for sure. He wouldn't be going back to Norway!

 

[crossy1686]

Thing is, if we take a gamble on Poch and it goes to shit, I’m sure Ole would always come back for the full time time.

Why run that risk? Sign Ole, let Poch go to Madrid, if Ole bombs next season we pick up Poch after Madrid sack him.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Yes, it not just a manager that would be appointed. It is the whole coaching staff as well. Having a well functioning team of coaches and a manager that together emulates a great manager is vital and easier to create than appointing the "perfect" manager. Personally i think it is preferable to have a set up similar to what we have now, that seems like a fairly flat structure among the coaches and the manager and where everybody is allowed to come with input. And with a manager that allowes this as well.

Agree with the above posts especially with the part in bold as I think that part of the reason of Sir Alex was that he was not pig headed that he could do it on his own and wasn't afraid to take input from those he trusted.

 

[crossy1686]

The same comment I made in the next manger thread.

Woodwoodwood is not going to spend 6 months looking for a new manager and then say to them "but if Ole does well, then I will give the job to him instead". No one will even consider taking the job on that basis.

Therefore, the answer has to be no.

I doubt we're talking to any managers directly but I suspect we'll be fielding calls from agents currently.

We don't need to be searching for 6 months though. Everyone knows the position is up for grabs and if it doesn't work out at the end of the season for Ole, all it takes is for Woodward to pick up the phone to someone like Poch's agent and say 'we're interested' and that's it. It's not like we're trying to sell something shit here. Most managers would be packing their bags the next day after that phone call.

 

[Zlatattack]

I voted yes but have some conditions;

1. I'd like to see a DoF in place
2. I'd want a decent cup run
3. I would want a reasonable record against the top 6 sides - we need to be competitive

It's a big ask of Ole really, but if he manages it, he deserves a couple of seasons at least to show us what he can do.

 

[Ian Reus]

He's just a fat Norwegian waiter, fat...

 

[MarkK]

Not being a United supporter, I would think that the best thing that can happen to any club is to find a young manager who actually feels connected to the club and knows it inside out. We've tried the same with Kovac and we still don't know if it works. So IF (and that's still a big "if", it's just three games...) Ole turns out to be a good fit you would be mad to get someone else only because he has the bigger name. United has always been a role model for top clubs in Europe for having SAF who breathes the club he works for. Ole could be just that for you and if he's successful I would keep him no matter what.

 

[Spiersey]

He might be well suited to being interim manager and do a good job but you should 100% not appoint him full time.
We made the same error with Di Matteo and despite him winning the CL, I was not in favour of him being appointed because he simply wasn’t qualified for the job.

Ole has come in and improved things by not being Mourinho and improving morale and letting players attack. This is perfect for an interim manager but I don’t think he would be a success long term:

 

[Eric's Seagull]

He's just a fat Norwegian waiter, fat...

 

[Xaviesta]

Absolutely he should.