Very impressed with poch. Especially given he has not got any new players.. Still my choice for manager. I don't think solksjaer could do anything (short of winning CL) to convince me otherwise.you have to look at long term consistency with managers..
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I think he will stay there but at some stage he's either going to have to leave or Spurs are going to have to find a big chunk of money if they want to win the title. He's done a brilliant job in taking the good players they have and improving them (Kane was an academy player just coming into the first team squad, Alli was a £5m signing from League 1 etc.) but they can't compete with Liverpool and City with Lloris in goal, Davies at full back, a midfield as ordinary as Winks and Sissoko and next to no squad depth. There's the core of a brilliant side there but gaps that can only be filled by spending, the same as United or Real Madrid but at those clubs he would know that he would have the resources to fill those gaps.
Spurs were excellent in the second half, and he changed things round to assist that.
United had a plan. Drop Lingard in on the defensive tip of their diamond and use the pace and directness of Rashford and Martial in the space that their full backs vacate. It worked well but they improved in the second half. I never said he was a bad coach, just that he is overrated by many people. Tiredness? They chose to play the likes of Alli and Kane in the FA cup, and they've had plenty of rest anyway. That's no excuse.
I agree that it’s their fault - but Poch doesn’t go from a very good manager to a bad one because he lost a home match against Man Utd. Silly logic.
How are people using this game as a stick to beat Poch with? On a more clinical day they could have put 3 or 4 past us, that’s on his attackers.
1-0 away win scored by our star youth product lead by club legend and we're scrambling to make excuses for poch...
Made very good adjustments in the second half and if we're being honest deserved to turn the game around. If things don't work out for Ole for whatever reason he is the clear choice and this game only solidified it further despite us getting the win.
On another day against another keeper, that would be 3-1 easily.
Losing this game shows no fragility in Poch. That second half was great from Spurs, but De Gea was on fire.
Losing this game shows no fragility in Poch. That second half was great from Spurs, but De Gea was on fire.
most seem to be agreeing with you tbf
Always the way. Sometimes people see a cow in another field, eh?
Frustratingly this was perfect game for Utd. Poch with great audition even with Utd getting the critical win. Poch to Utd would be concerning for the entire league.
So I guess ....
in Levy we trust?
So I guess ....
in Levy we trust?
Wouldnt mind him here if Ole doesnt get the job for whatever reason
Poch going for the cross and nod technique. Progressive Allardyce.
Lloris also saved 3 shots from Pogba, all of them took place when scoreline was 1-0. Some of you are selling our performance way short. Yes, we completely soaked up pressure for last 30 mins but we should've buried the game long before that.
This. We had our fair share of chances too.
It is like a magic spell over Caf that has made many posters mistake Poch for Sir Matt Busby.
He's a decent manager. A better version of David Moyes. As I have said many times over the last few years, stay the hell away from him.
This result will have no impact on where Poch ends up this summer, at least not from United's perspective.
If anything that game only enhances his status as a top coach. The way he turned it around in the second half is something only the top managers are capable of.
I think criticising him for this is not right but there's an interesting observation here. When Spurs score goals when they shouldn't over and over he gets the credit, but when the opposite happens its on the players.
If you've watched Spurs regularly this season then they have won several games by the skin of their teeth with goals coming from unlikely situations. If you give him credit for having Spurs in 3rd place (which was only possible due to forwards being very clinical) then you have to criticize him for this.
Or maybe people watched the match with their own eyes and see that we were a tad lucky to came away with the 3 points and losing such a match is no blemish on the opponent’s manager? The juvenile need to kick someone you don’t back down is tiresome. If he has a fault this match, it’d be his perpetual inability to rein in the thuggishness of his players. Trippier getting into a tussle with Martial, lost his cool and made a bad pass leading to our goal is typical Poch Spurs in high pressure matches.
For all we know he might not even be on our list for managers. Ultimately the decision rests with our board, and I bloody hope they don’t assess a manager like some of you lot here.
thats a bit harsh
Both managers did well today, Ole set us up well to begin with and made us very competitive in the first half, Poch got a response from his players at half time and on another day would've expected to get at least a point from that many chances created but a combination of poor finishing and great goalkeeping kept them out.
Still far and away my number one choice for our next manager.
Still undecided he would take it though if offered.Can see the for and against sides of the argument.
Still undecided he would take it though if offered.Can see the for and against sides of the argument.
Loris made three excellent saves from Pogba just after the break. Spurs should have been dead and buried way before they had their purple patch.
Again, i never said he was a poor manager, just overrated. He's a good manager, I just think some people go over the top with the praise for someone who hasn't won anything and is frequently outsmarted in big games. I'd rather we didn't go for him but I would have no complaints if we did. I would be interested to see how he does with decent financial backing.
Guess again, that wasn't said at all.
I'm not a fan of Poch and do not want him to join us BUT, I think he did well today.
His team absolutely dominated us and they lost because we had the best GK in the World, in top form, today.
Against any other GK, they'd probably have scored 3 goals, in the 2nd half.
His team absolutely dominated us and they lost because we had the best GK in the World, in top form, today.
Against any other GK, they'd probably have scored 3 goals, in the 2nd half.
Very impressed with his ability to positviely affect the game and gain his side at least a draw?
It’s incredibly harsh that you’re judging Solskjaer on winning the CL only yet you’re contempt that Poch has never won a thing and that’s good enough for you. If you consider long term consistency to be long term choking then Poch is your man.
Not necessarily.
If they'd scored one, their all out attacking pressure may well have eased down.
People say on another day they would score 3.
It's not on another day. It's against another keeper.
It's not on another day. It's against another keeper.
Where do you stop with this? If you reverse it then Poch is the reason why Kane or anyone else scores? Let’s not award goals to the individuals of Spurs and give them to the managers because it’s all down to Him.
I understand what you are saying, it is a team effort but they had clear chances and for players of Kane/Alli/Son’s quality, they should have got at least one.
Yes very impressed by how spurs turned up in the second half Let's be honest, they should've at least got a point and most likely won.
I'm not judging Ole by trophies. My point is that in a span of six months, he will have to do something of that scale to convince me otherwise given he has no experience at the top level. The thing with solksjaer is that he is going to be here for a short duration and it's not wise to take a decision basis that. Pochettino has played attractive football while promoting youth consistently for a few years now. He did that at Southampton and he's done it here. With all due respect to spurs, united will give him a larger budget.
He has shown consistency in one of the toughest leagues in the world, performing better than teams with bigger budgets than him. The team they put out today would've been at half the cost of ours especially if we add the bench.
I'm not too concerned about the fact that he hasn't won a trophy. Realistically it would've been a miracle had he won a PL or CL.
If he wins one of the two smaller cups does that change your opinion of him? Is one FA or carling cup the only thing stopping him from being out manager?
Roberto di Matteo has won a CL. Is he better than pochettino? Zidane won three CL in a row but was poor in the league. Would you go for him?
For me, I'd want a manager who has shown consistency in competing in the league (preferably familiar with the epl), plays a good style, promotes youth and respects the club. Pochettino does all of this. Give him the financial backing and he will have the side competing. Don't forget what this spurs side did to qualify from their group stages this season... Very disrespectful to call it long term choking
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The good first half, our first half and second half is completely different as Poch also made a change to fullback, sitting deeper that doesn't give our attacking enough space and we sit so deeper and invite them to come at us, looking for a goal on break (i think this is one issue we need to improve on this), solid defending through middle as they can't get behind on through ball, they changed their tactical to cross and lofted passes and keep doing same for 30 minutes.
Still the man for me, let's not let today's game get in the way of that
They did badger us in the second half but ultimately lost. Don’t think one’s opinion needs to shift after today either way.
Rumours on twitter saying that Poch and Ole are fighting over the permanent Utd manager’s role in his office at the moment.
Poch says he’s better looking and Ole argues that he’s done more in the game, which is true.
Maybe they’ll both manage us? Poch for home games, Ole for away games?
Poch says he’s better looking and Ole argues that he’s done more in the game, which is true.
Maybe they’ll both manage us? Poch for home games, Ole for away games?
Wait, so our chances with Pogba vs Lloris don't count? Why do they only count for Spurs but not ours? De Gea saved because his positioning was good, nothing crazy in that.
My point was that if you start saying the forwards should have gotten something (which i agree with) then you also have to admit in several games this season the tactics and selection were not good but Poch was bailed out by unlikely goals from these very same forwards. You can't just talk about poor finishing to absolve the manager and then ignore abnormal finishing in other games at the same time.
Would take him no question if Ole wasn’t in the picture. Spurs played some scintillating football in the second half.
Am convinced that United thought Ole would do an only slightly better than average job and would just put a smile back on the fans faces and keep the seat warm for Poch.
He’s still totally unproven and maybe we’ll worsen once we’re out of the honeymoon period but make a couple of good signings and I can see Ole doing a very decent job next season based on what we’ve seen so far.
We’ve got a weird conundrum on our hands, assuming Poch is a legit option.
Am convinced that United thought Ole would do an only slightly better than average job and would just put a smile back on the fans faces and keep the seat warm for Poch.
He’s still totally unproven and maybe we’ll worsen once we’re out of the honeymoon period but make a couple of good signings and I can see Ole doing a very decent job next season based on what we’ve seen so far.
We’ve got a weird conundrum on our hands, assuming Poch is a legit option.
Tbf, we could have scored a couple before their onslaught as well. Nothing to do with the point about Poch but had to be said.