What next for Mourinho?

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He is absolutely right to defend himself and his legacy against the overreaction that has occurred since his sacking. We're talking about his profession.

Now regardless of what he says publicly, he would do well to reflect on his recent failures in the game, and take the lessons learned into his next role. A year off would do him good.
more chance of Bobby Charlton playing up front for us at the weekend mate
 

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Apparently means you should set them up by attacking them in front of cameras at training sessions over things they didn't do then insult them to the press at every opportunity
 

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He's always going to defend himself, managers always think they can turn things around and they shouldn't have been sacked, so this is no surprise really.

A guy as egomaniacal and arrogant as Mourinho is certainly not going to come out and admit he was wrong. Each week though Solskjaer and the players make him look like more and more of a failure.
 

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BeIn Sports Interview eh?

This man's ego is getting worst, that's what astonishes me. No humility. He himself wrecked his relationship with a beautiful, magnificent football club, and it is not the first time.

'..I belong to top-level management..' . What a statement. How many managers across the various leagues in Europe and South America could say the same thing. Yet they go about their business with diginity. Dignity. For example, Have you heard a peep since Zidane retired?

He sickens me. Guy walks away with £15m, and he doesn't even give a sh**e about Man United.

Take a brave Director / President to take him on now. I have no idea which players would enjoy working for him. And he doesn't seem to care... at all.
 

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Were people genuinely expecting contrition from Mourinho? Even managers like Moyes who have never won anything don’t castigate themselves in public. He is trying to preserve the fading Mourinho myth to attract some other mug to hire him. Either that or he is pitching for some tax free punditry work alongside Keys and Gray in Qatar.
 

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I pity the next club that is going to hire him. It's going to take big balls to do that and i will be watching it with great interest when it happens and when he's in it
 

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I actually feel sorry for the next set of fans that are going to have to put up with him.
 

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BeIn Sports Interview eh?

This man's ego is getting worst, that's what astonishes me. No humility. He himself wrecked his relationship with a beautiful, magnificent football club, and it is not the first time.

'..I belong to top-level management..' . What a statement. How many managers across the various leagues in Europe and South America could say the same thing. Yet they go about their business with diginity. Dignity. For example, Have you heard a peep since Zidane retired?

He sickens me. Guy walks away with £15m, and he doesn't even give a sh**e about Man United.

Take a brave Director / President to take him on now. I have no idea which players would enjoy working for him. And he doesn't seem to care... at all.
I think daft was the word you were looking for.
 

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He was sacked a month ago tomorrow. Jesus, seems like an age ago.

What a horrible man he was. And there were people defending him on here until the very end.

I defended him then and I still do. Call me whatever you want. But it does not mean I have not and will not criticize where he got things wrong neither does it mean I am not absolutely enjoying the way we are winning and how well Ole has done so far.
I often wonder why some people think you cannot be a United fan and fancy Jose despite his documented failings. I also think fans tend to swing to extremes. For instance, people blindly supported Mourinho to the extent that they defended what in my view were indefensible. This makes no sense in my opinion. On the other hand, there were those who rabidly criticized everything he did and still call him a fraud despite an obviously sterling career to a large extent and a fairly decent performance at United when you strip away all the sentiments.
 

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I defended him then and I still do. Call me whatever you want. But it does not mean I have not and will not criticize where he got things wrong neither does it mean I am not absolutely enjoying the way we are winning and how well Ole has done so far.
I often wonder why some people think you cannot be a United fan and fancy Jose despite his documented failings. I also think fans tend to swing to extremes. For instance, people blindly supported Mourinho to the extent that they defended what in my view were indefensible. This makes no sense in my opinion. On the other hand, there were those who rabidly criticized everything he did and still call him a fraud despite an obviously sterling career to a large extent and a fairly decent performance at United when you strip away all the sentiments.
What is there to "fancy" about Jose? He's a horrible man who has treated numerous people appallingly throughout his career. Anyone who defends him and actually likes him does nothing but make themselves look bad.
 

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Apparently means you should set them up by attacking them in front of cameras at training sessions over things they didn't do then insult them to the press at every opportunity
By structure, he means Ed. He is basically saying that Ed should have backed him and sold Pogba rather than putting pressure on him to play him.

In a way, his own words are very damning. He is basically admitting that he can't man-manage players in a modern environment. Since players can easily sign a 5 year deal one day and agitate for a transfer the very next, his old methods of "tough love" are not working as they feel no need to stick around with him.

He doesn't even realize that he is talking about his own deficiencies.
 

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Mourinho is spot on here. We can interpret his intentions in any way, or not like him at all but going forward, this is a structure some of us have been advocating for the club recently. In the modern game it is getting more and more important to have a solid DoF.
 

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I think Mourinho is just a narcissistic troll, His intention is to annoy people. With his style of football, with his off-field antics and especially with his interview

I mean the Heritage interview was another level of trolling to a team you just crashed out of Europe
 

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Who does Mourinho respect in the game? What manager(s) does he look up to or consider his mentor? He could do worse than listening to advice from someone he respects and considers his equal at least.
 

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I see that the psychiatrists are in full flow here, interpreting the actual meaning, the real inner meaning of his words and an almost psychological analysis of his brain and behaviour.
Was missing those deep analysis that used to happen after his press conferences :D
 

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Mourinho is spot on here. We can interpret his intentions in any way, or not like him at all but going forward, this is a structure some of us have been advocating for the club recently. In the modern game it is getting more and more important to have a solid DoF.
The DoF helps with player recruitment. He will not interfere on Jose's behalf when the latter picks random fights with players already signed for the club.

He is merely covering his arse. Amazing that you can't see the digs at Ed he is taking by repeating the word "structure".
 

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What is there to "fancy" about Jose? He's a horrible man who has treated numerous people appallingly throughout his career. Anyone who defends him and actually likes him does nothing but make themselves look bad.

Learn to appreciate the fact that people are different and that you dislike someone does not mean others can't 'fancy' the person. To actually answer your question, I like his 'plainness'. He seems emotionally open and very short on diplomacy. I like people like that in my personal life. They say it as they see it even if it makes them look bad. If they think they are the best, they let you know (and Jose always thinks he is the best regardless of not being the best. :lol:) That's the way I read Jose. Are people justified to dislike him? Of course. People like Jose are too easy to dislike. I have no problem at all with those who can't stand him. I do have a problem with anyone who thinks no sane person should fancy him. I think that is being narrow minded really.
 

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This guy sickens me. Not a degree of humility at all... he orchestrated his way from a beautiful, magnificent football club, pocketing a massive pay-out along the way. And not for the first time. A horrible, shameless, awful man.

"I belong to top-level football. That's where I'm going to be."

He honestly thinks the world of football begins and ends with him. How patronising towards other managers.

A horrid, horrid man.
 

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The DoF helps with player recruitment. He will not interfere on Jose's behalf when the latter picks random fights with players already signed for the club.

He is merely covering his arse. Amazing that you can't see the digs at Ed he is taking by repeating the word "structure".
Of course he is taking a dig at Ed. And why shouldn't he? For me, the point is clear: football has changed. The days of Sir Alex having full and complete complete are gone. The days of managers being the masters are gone. It's the social media world now. The super star footballer is king. He is no longer worth 10 million pounds. He is now worth 200 million pounds and his brand is powerful. We can hate Jose all he wants but we will do well to restructure the club. If a manager cannot have absolute authority to discipline, then there should be a club structure that helps to keep the checks and balances. How is this hard to understand?
 

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I see that the psychiatrists are in full flow here, interpreting the actual meaning, the real inner meaning of his words and an almost psychological analysis of his brain and behaviour.
Was missing those deep analysis that used to happen after his press conferences :D
Mourinho has had sly digs at others throughout his entire career, so it's not exactly unusual to see people analyse the mans words. Scratch that, he had the nerve to say "That is not the end of the world. I sit in this chair twice in the Champions League and I knock Man United out at home at Old Trafford," after Sevilla knocked us out last season. While he was Manchester United manager. It's not madness to assume he'll start running his mouth after he's left.
 

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Of course he is taking a dig at Ed. And why shouldn't he? For me, the point is clear: football has changed. The days of Sir Alex having full and complete complete are gone. The days of managers being the masters are gone. It's the social media world now. The super star footballer is king. He is no longer worth 10 million pounds. He is now worth 200 million pounds and his brand is powerful. We can hate Jose all he wants but we will do well to restructure the club. If a manager cannot have absolute authority to discipline, then there should be a club structure that helps to keep the checks and balances. How is this hard to understand?
The "structure" only aids in player recruitment, scouting and wage demands, etc. They do not involve themselves in "disciplining" the players, not unless they have committed serious offenses. Pogba did not arrive drunk for training and he did not assault anyone to warrant "disciplining".

What Pogba needed was man-management, which other managers are perfectly capable of, but Jose couldn't do it and is now hiding behind the fact that our club does not have a proper structure (but which isn't responsible for his sacking).

As I said, this is what Jose means by "discipline" - Sell Martial, buy Willian, freeze out Pogba and sell him if he wants to move. Not gonna happen. As an example, Chelsea had Emenalo ("structure") and still sided with the players over Jose.
 

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Probably not at the expense of united. But i love him to prove he's not finished at the highest level.
Probably not at the expense of Utd. So you're not ruling that option out totally?

Dearie me.

Why would you care about Mourinho proving he's not finished?
 

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Of course he is taking a dig at Ed. And why shouldn't he? For me, the point is clear: football has changed. The days of Sir Alex having full and complete complete are gone. The days of managers being the masters are gone. It's the social media world now. The super star footballer is king. He is no longer worth 10 million pounds. He is now worth 200 million pounds and his brand is powerful. We can hate Jose all he wants but we will do well to restructure the club. If a manager cannot have absolute authority to discipline, then there should be a club structure that helps to keep the checks and balances. How is this hard to understand?
What Mourinho wants is someone who will back him unconditionally, he doesn’t care about the structure. He would never say something like this if Ed had sold Pogba and Martial and brought in Willian and M-Savic.

The truth he’s trying to deflect from is that no technical director, Sporting director, DOF, kit man, tea lady or any part of the structure of a football club is going to sell a club’s best players because an underperforming manager can’t get the most out of them and blames the players for him not being able to use them properly.

Chelsea have this structure in place, and he still had them heading straight for relegation. Madrid have this structure in place and he fell out with everyone he could fall out with there.
 

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Saying Mourinho meant a DoF by 'structure' is either classic doublespeak or Neville Chamberlain level of naivety. He actively ruled against working with a DoF ffs, managed to kick even Valdano out of Madrid.
 

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The one with the structure is kind of on point, but other than that I really do not know what is wrong with him.
He was always a prick, but he was cerebral and an absolute winner.

I seriously think he's mentally stuck in 2005 and he didn't move along with the modern times.

Also his ego is Ronaldoesque.

It's sad, he was a brilliant manager a while ago.
 

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I’ve read that Jose is a lovely guy away from football, nothing like his ‘persona’ that he’s created for himself when in front of the cameras.

Apparently he’s a caring, loving father and husband, does loads for charities etc.

IF that’s true, he would do well to bring that nice side to the football side of Jose. People would respect him more. I don’t know why he has to play up to that ridiculous character, he’s like a caricature now.
 

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I’ve read that Jose is a lovely guy away from football, nothing like his ‘persona’ that he’s created for himself when in front of the cameras.

Apparently he’s a caring, loving father and husband, does loads for charities etc.

IF that’s true, he would do well to bring that nice side to the football side of Jose. People would respect him more. I don’t know why he has to play up to that ridiculous character, he’s like a caricature now.
Probably similar to 99% of all the other managers out there who just get on with business.
 

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Well, he's right in terms of a manager/coach needing a structure in place and not knowing what really went on behind the scenes

Anyone criticising him over that, should probably look at their own posts in the director of football threads or the root and branch thread from a few years ago or the Ed Woodward thread...

Not defending him here, just pointing out the obvious.

Both he and the club embarrassed themselves
 

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Good luck to Jose finding that perfect club where he would not have to deal with player discipline, player learning and have a clear club structure with everyone excellent in their roles etc etc.
He'd get that at most top clubs. Said it before but the biggest problem for United is the structure of the club. Waaay too much power and responsibility is put on the manager's shoulders. The counterpoint however, is that Mourinho actually wants to have that much power and responsibility and has a tendency to alienate other figures if they disagree with him in any way
 

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I’ve read that Jose is a lovely guy away from football, nothing like his ‘persona’ that he’s created for himself when in front of the cameras.

Apparently he’s a caring, loving father and husband, does loads for charities etc.

IF that’s true, he would do well to bring that nice side to the football side of Jose. People would respect him more. I don’t know why he has to play up to that ridiculous character, he’s like a caricature now.
Both method works. Too bad it doesnt work with chelsea 2 and united. That same method and man management works with porto and inter.

It's just a bad chemistry. Each manager has their own sets of character, even saf wasnt an easy manager to work with. Not every cuddling manager works just as not every military style works.
 

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The counterpoint however, is that Mourinho actually wants to have that much power and responsibility and has a tendency to alienate other figures if they disagree with him in any way
Exactly. He wants the credit & glory for himself.
 

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:lol: Way to go Jose … fly in the face of everything that has happened … so easily since you left!

You hit the nail on the head Jose "the balance has to be created in the relationship between the players and the manager" you're still railing against everything and everyone … and you say these kids aren't able to learn a simple lesson :lol:

Give it up mate, you're a fantastic coach, just surround yourself with trainers and take a man management / team building course and you'll be fine!

Now get the feck out of the way, you're blocking my view of all the winning!