A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

[Random Task]

And if that was the case, clubs would simply pay up the contract of any players they want and, boom, transfer done. But it doesn't work that way does it? If a club wishes to be difficult, they can refuse to allow the contract to be broken - as we see many times when players are told to be professional and get on with the job rather than be seduced by every passing job offer.

Apples and oranges. If a player expresses a desire to leave the club, the chairman and manager can refuse and throw him in the reserves or do whatever they want. It's rare but it happens. But not so with the manager. If Poch declares publically that he wishes to leave Spurs in order to further his career, Levy has little choice but to comply. Sure, he can refuse to release Poch from his contractual obligations and demand he gets back to work, but in doing so he runs the risk of destabilising the club entirely. What player in their right mind would even consider playing for a manger who has openly stated his desire to leave the club? The respect and trust that Poch once had among the players would be gone. Levy also runs the risk of completely alienating himself from every potential manager on the planet. No self-respecting football manager would ever consider the Spurs job whilst Levy is CEO due to the issues that would inevitably crop up should he desire to leave the club in the future. Poch is no fool.

You seem to understand that the internal logic of your position doesn't make sense when you accept that Utd may need to pay "£20 million on top to act as a sweetener" - if there was "nothing Levy could do", why on Earth would Utd pay him an extra £20 million?!? Charity?

Obviously, I was referring to the negotiations that would follow in the event that Levy accepts Poch's letter of resignation. £20 million was a guess - I have no notion what the eventual figure will rise to but knowing Levy it won't be cheap. But he will not begin negotiations at £150 million because he would be literally pricing Poch out of the market and essentially forcing him to stay. which he absolutely will not do due to the reasons stated above. Poch is no fool.

 

[dpansheth]

My doubts on him:
- may have been forced to play youth due to the chairman
- his team plays dirty when going gets tough.
- not enough activity in transfers to judge him
- ambitions

His positives:

- players showed good technical abilities
- seems to have a game plan


I am looking for some differences between him and OGS. OGS managing Cardiff and him managing Spurs, what’s the exact differentiation that people see.

 

[Random Task]

Funded in large part by Catalan money for a player that currently sits on the bench.

True enough. Keita and Fabinho have barely had a sniff this season.

Still, Klopp has outspent Poch but a significant margin and the poster above seemed to be making light of that small fact.

 

[Sky1981]

Mauricio Pochetinno : managerial honor

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

I don't really give a toss about this argument but come on now, you know what you're doing there. He was by far and away England's most important attacking outlet, creating the most chances (24) and has widely been acknowledged as England's best player at the tournament. And he banged in a free kick.

True tbf, he had a great tournament overall, I just think he's mostly remembered for the free kick. He was great for England, and he can often be great for Spurs too .. fantastic asset to have against the bottom half in particular when we're not under much defensive pressure so he can push up and whip in some fantastic crosses. It's just the defensive side of his game is below average, and he's prone to errors in big games (this season against both Manchester clubs he gave both the winning goals away, pretty sure he got torn to bits by Mane as well, which pretty much always happens when he comes up against a rapid winger.

Good player, fantastic squad option, but shouldn't be first choice for a top four team.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

My doubts on him:
- may have been forced to play youth due to the chairman
- his team plays dirty when going gets tough.
- not enough activity in transfers to judge him
- ambitions

His positives:

- players showed good technical abilities
- seems to have a game plan


I am looking for some differences between him and OGS. OGS managing Cardiff and him managing Spurs, what’s the exact differentiation that people see.

One got the club relegated and then was shite in the championship to boot, the other took a team from 6th to 2nd/3rd and the CL knockouts with almost zero spending?

 

[Saffron]

Begrudgingly realistic.

Hateful of all teams except United.

Now please do one for Liverpool so I can sleep at night. I hate the feckers but everything seems to be going great for them and I see no hope in sight. Even though I'd prefer them being relegated I could easily see Klopp staying 10+ years and winning the league more than any other team in that time.

Now that FFP is kicking in I'm not so sure City will have an enormous cash advantage anymore. And Pool seem to have gotten half a billion new fans since Salah. What we'e built in Asia, they're building in the Middle East and North Africa. Could be a substantial source of income for them for years to come.

No debt, sugar daddy owners (even though they won't admit it), tip top manager and a squad that's 2-3 additions away from world class. fecking hell.

I would prefer we got Klopp over Pochettino just to sabotage Liverpool.

 

[chromepaxos]

Players have transfer fees, managers don't. Name me 5 managers that transferred the way players do from one club to the other and the "fees" that went the other way.

Name me five managers that moved from one top five club to another, within six months of the manager signing a new five year contract, and where the owner was as intransigent as Daniel Levy?

I'll wait.

 

[chromepaxos]

If Poch declares publically that he wishes to leave Spurs in order to further his career, Levy has little choice but to comply. Sure, he can refuse to release Poch from his contractual obligations and demand he gets back to work, but in doing so he runs the risk of destabilising the club entirely. What player in their right mind would even consider playing for a manger who has openly stated his desire to leave the club? The respect and trust that Poch once had among the players would be gone. Levy also runs the risk of completely alienating himself from every potential manager on the planet. No self-respecting football manager would ever consider the Spurs job whilst Levy is CEO due to the issues that would inevitably crop up should he desire to leave the club in the future. Poch is no fool.
Obviously, I was referring to the negotiations that would follow in the event that Levy accepts Poch's letter of resignation. £20 million was a guess - I have no notion what the eventual figure will rise to but knowing Levy it won't be cheap. But he will not begin negotiations at £150 million because he would be literally pricing Poch out of the market and essentially forcing him to stay. which he absolutely will not do due to the reasons stated above. Poch is no fool.

So your entire rationale rests upon a) Poch forcing a move by declaring publicly that he wants to break his contract, and he has to do that before an agreement has been reached between the clubs (which nobody who has ever seen Poch's interviews can imagine is in his personality), and b) that in the unlikely event that happened Daniel Levy would just roll over (which nobody who has ever seen Levy operate could imagine is possible)?

Poch has stated repeatedly that he wants to stay at Spurs. You think he wouldn't be bothered about his own credibility if he suddenly changed after being tapped up? You think he wouldn't know that Levy would fight tooth and nail to keep him? As you say: Poch is no fool.

So, you're fantasising, basically. I mean, I understand, we are fans. We are supposed to dream about everything being easy for Man Utd, but it's not realistic. I might even borrow the word you used originally: your idea of how this would work is ridiculous.

 

[balaks]

My doubts on him:
- may have been forced to play youth due to the chairman
- his team plays dirty when going gets tough.
- not enough activity in transfers to judge him
- ambitions

His positives:

- players showed good technical abilities
- seems to have a game plan


I am looking for some differences between him and OGS. OGS managing Cardiff and him managing Spurs, what’s the exact differentiation that people see.

You got me there mate, I have no idea - there clearly is no difference at all*





*This may not be accurate.

 

[Suedesi]

Name me five managers that moved from one top five club to another, within six months of the manager signing a new five year contract, and where the owner was as intransigent as Daniel Levy?

I'll wait.

Yeah, good one. Daniel Levy does not alter the laws of the universe and the time-space continuum. Take that opening salvo to the loo.

 

[Random Task]

So your entire rationale rests upon a) Poch forcing a move by declaring publicly that he wants to break his contract, and he has to do that before an agreement has been reached between the clubs (which nobody who has ever seen Poch's interviews can imagine is in his personality), and b) that in the unlikely event that happened Daniel Levy would just roll over (which nobody who has ever seen Levy operate could imagine is possible)?

Poch has stated repeatedly that he wants to stay at Spurs. You think he wouldn't be bothered about his own credibility if he suddenly changed after being tapped up? You think he wouldn't know that Levy would fight tooth and nail to keep him? As you say: Poch is no fool.

So, you're fantasising, basically. I mean, I understand, we are fans. We are supposed to dream about everything being easy for Man Utd, but it's not realistic. I might even borrow the word you used originally: your idea of how this would work is ridiculous.

Did you even read my post? The premise behind your post is based on false information.

I never said Poch would make a public declaration of his desire to leave Spurs, simply that he will have to go down that road in order to engineer a move away if that is indeed his wish. Also, I never said Levy would just roll over during the negotiation phase, on the contrary in fact, Levy is as tough a businessman as they come and I fully expect him to take Ed/Perez/whoever to the cleaners when/if negotiations take place. I don't know if he wants to leave Spurs but in truth, I'm not concerned either way. I'm in Ole's corner now and I have been for some time.

For the record, I don't pay much attention to what current players/managers say in the press since the majority of it is to appease fans of their current club. Not exactly reliable information is it? For example, would you put your house on Poch staying at Spurs beyond the summer?

 

[AJ10]

My doubts on him:
- may have been forced to play youth due to the chairman
- his team plays dirty when going gets tough.
- not enough activity in transfers to judge him
- ambitions

His positives:

- players showed good technical abilities
- seems to have a game plan


I am looking for some differences between him and OGS. OGS managing Cardiff and him managing Spurs, what’s the exact differentiation that people see.

Bloody hell, I like Ole but this is a bit much don't you think?
Poch is much further down in his development than Ole. You have to remember Poch managed in Spain (He didn't do well there, think they were in relegation) then at Southampton and now Spurs. He's learned much from those experiences, as I am sure Ole will from Cardiff. But at the moment Poch is a much better manager and there is no debate IMO.

 

[chromepaxos]

Did you even read my post? The premise behind your post is based on false information.
I never said Poch would make a public declaration of his desire to leave Spurs, simply that he will have to go down that road in order to engineer a move away if that is indeed his wish. Also, I never said Levy would just roll over during the negotiation phase, on the contrary in fact, Levy is as tough a businessman as they come and I fully expect him to take Ed/Perez/whoever to the cleaners when/if negotiations take place. I don't know if he wants to leave Spurs but in truth, I'm not concerned either way. I'm in Ole's corner now and I have been for some time.
For the record, I don't pay much attention to what current players/managers say in the press since the majority of it is to appease fans of their current club. Not exactly reliable information is it? For example, would you put your house on Poch staying at Spurs beyond the summer?

Sigh. So in your original post you claimed that there was no way Levy could ask for more than the value of Poch's contract, and to say anything else was "ridiculous". But now, you accept that Levy will "take Ed to the cleaners".

And if Levy is going to negotiate really hard...then the idea that he might have an opening ask of 140 mill seems like an obvious place for him to start.

Do you even realize that you have moved your position 180 degrees? Good grief.

 

[chromepaxos]

Yeah, good one. Daniel Levy does not alter the laws of the universe and the time-space continuum. Take that opening salvo to the loo.

I'm blown away by the intelligence of your reply. Did it take you a long time to write it?

Companies negotiate for compensation when someone wants to break a contract all the time. I'm sorry if you don't know this.

 

[Random Task]

Sigh. So in your original post you claimed that there was no way Levy could ask for more than the value of Poch's contract, and to say anything else was "ridiculous". But now, you accept that Levy will "take Ed to the cleaners".

And if Levy is going to negotiate really hard...then the idea that he might have an opening ask of 140 mill seems like an obvious place for him to start.

Do you even realize that you have moved your position 180 degrees? Good grief.

You went and did it again. You are literally creating illusionary content and then countering it with what can only be described as your own illusionary content. Twice I might add. That's remarkable.

Unless, of course, you can point out where and when I wrote anything remotely similar to what you suggest above.

This is bizarre.

 

[Suedesi]

I'm blown away by the intelligence of your reply. Did it take you a long time to write it?

Companies negotiate for compensation when someone wants to break a contract all the time. I'm sorry if you don't know this.

So here's the counter to Levy's opening salvo: "You've got a manager that wants away, how are you going to deal with him?"

 

[Random Task]

So here's the counter to Levy's opening salvo: "You've got a manager that wants away, how are you going to deal with him?"

Let him rot in the reserves.

 

[Suedesi]

Let him rot in the reserves.

Ah, it all seems so tragically unfair, I can now see why you sound so angry. Breaking contracts is worth banishing managers to the reserves. Which manager wouldn't like to work with you in the future?

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

So here's the counter to Levy's opening salvo: "You've got a manager that wants away, how are you going to deal with him?"

Yeah, this is absolutely the thing. You can keep a player against his will (although generally it's not advised) because if they're somewhat professional the likelihood is after a few weeks out of the side they'll want to come back in, even if they're not fully committed to staying at the team it's not like an individual player has to be dedicated to the long term project, he just needs to play football. Even then it's very rare that a club will not sell if a player truly wants out, because keeping someone who doesn't really want to be around isn't logical. Usually you get cases like Suarez or Coutinho where they'll say 'we'll let you go at the end of the season'.

With a manager that is amplified, you have a guy who is meant to be running the show, planning the clubs future on the pitch, inspiring and motivating the squad. You wouldn't keep a wantaway player as captain, and there's no way you can keep a wantaway manager around. It just would not work, even if they're professional about it the same level of dedication won't be there and you can't expect someone like that to be running the show, it'll rebound on to the players who will feel like if the manager doesn't want to be here, why should we?

Facts are if Pochettino seriously wants to leave this summer, he will do. Levy can't keep him against his will. He's not going to refuse unless someone pays up 140 mill or any of that fantastical shite, if he wants out he'll try and convince him but if he's set he will go. Why the feck would we even want a manager who doesn't want to be with us, that would next level tragic no matter how good I think he is. Obviously there would be some fair compensation fee in line with his contract, but it won't be close to 140 million.

 

[Suedesi]

Name me five managers that moved from one top five club to another, within six months of the manager signing a new five year contract, and where the owner was as intransigent as Daniel Levy?

I'll wait.

It's ridiculous - you're restricting the subset with so many constraints to render it meaningless and useless. That's why you got the answer you got. Are you a Spurs fan per chance?

 

[Suedesi]

Yeah, this is absolutely the thing. You can keep a player against his will (although generally it's not advised) because if they're somewhat professional the likelihood is after a few weeks out of the side they'll want to come back in, even if they're not fully committed to staying at the team it's not like an individual player has to be dedicated to the long term project, he just needs to play football. Even then it's very rare that a club will not sell if a player truly wants out, because keeping someone who doesn't really want to be around isn't logical. Usually you get cases like Suarez or Coutinho where they'll say 'we'll let you go at the end of the season'.

With a manager that is amplified, you have a guy who is meant to be running the show, planning the clubs future on the pitch, inspiring and motivating the squad. You wouldn't keep a wantaway player as captain, and there's no way you can keep a wantaway manager around. It just would not work, even if they're professional about it the same level of dedication won't be there and you can't expect someone like that to be running the show, it'll rebound on to the players who will feel like if the manager doesn't want to be here, why should we?

Facts are if Pochettino seriously wants to leave this summer, he will do. Levy can't keep him against his will. He's not going to refuse unless someone pays up 140 mill or any of that fantastical shite, if he wants out he'll try and convince him but if he's set he will go. Why the feck would we even want a manager who doesn't want to be with us, that would next level tragic no matter how good I think he is. Obviously there would be some fair compensation fee in line with his contract, but it won't be close to 140 million.

Here's hoping for us not getting Pochetino in the summer and him subsequently continuing to build a successful career at Spurs

(but primarily because Ole proved to be a huge success in his own right)

 

[Saffron]

Yeah, this is absolutely the thing. You can keep a player against his will (although generally it's not advised) because if they're somewhat professional the likelihood is after a few weeks out of the side they'll want to come back in, even if they're not fully committed to staying at the team it's not like an individual player has to be dedicated to the long term project, he just needs to play football. Even then it's very rare that a club will not sell if a player truly wants out, because keeping someone who doesn't really want to be around isn't logical. Usually you get cases like Suarez or Coutinho where they'll say 'we'll let you go at the end of the season'.

With a manager that is amplified, you have a guy who is meant to be running the show, planning the clubs future on the pitch, inspiring and motivating the squad. You wouldn't keep a wantaway player as captain, and there's no way you can keep a wantaway manager around. It just would not work, even if they're professional about it the same level of dedication won't be there and you can't expect someone like that to be running the show, it'll rebound on to the players who will feel like if the manager doesn't want to be here, why should we?

Facts are if Pochettino seriously wants to leave this summer, he will do. Levy can't keep him against his will. He's not going to refuse unless someone pays up 140 mill or any of that fantastical shite, if he wants out he'll try and convince him but if he's set he will go. Why the feck would we even want a manager who doesn't want to be with us, that would next level tragic no matter how good I think he is. Obviously there would be some fair compensation fee in line with his contract, but it won't be close to 140 million.

But could you really see Poch slamming the table saying "I want out", even behind closed doors? Unless he is being mistreated somehow, I simply can't see him doing that. He seems like a very nice, very professional, very loyal person who will see out a contract. His personality doesn't mesh with glory hunting at all imo.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

But could you really see Poch slamming the table saying "I want out", even behind closed doors? Unless he is being mistreated somehow, I simply can't see him doing that. He seems like a very nice, very professional, very loyal person who will see out a contract. His personality doesn't mesh with glory hunting at all imo.

No, I don't see him doing that. It's just we were working under the assumption that he would want to leave, in which case he would be going.

I've pretty much said from the start that I don't think he will leave for at least another season. I don't think he would want to go before a season in the new stadium, and I do think he will want to have a sense of finishing his project here. My opinion is that he's not the ultra ambitious type of manager who will leave for the biggest club at the first opportunity, I see him more as a Klopp type, someone who is attracted to a project and somewhere where he will have a lot of control, rather than a mega club.

That might just be my all too romantic take on things though, and I accept the other side of the argument. I can't claim to actually know how Poch feels about any of this, I just found the idea that you could hold a manager at a club against his will amusing.

 

[Random Task]

No, I don't see him doing that. It's just we were working under the assumption that he would want to leave, in which case he would be going.

I've pretty much said from the start that I don't think he will leave for at least another season. I don't think he would want to go before a season in the new stadium, and I do think he will want to have a sense of finishing his project here. My opinion is that he's not the ultra ambitious type of manager who will leave for the biggest club at the first opportunity, I see him more as a Klopp type, someone who is attracted to a project and somewhere where he will have a lot of control, rather than a mega club.

That might just be my all too romantic take on things though, and I accept the other side of the argument. I can't claim to actually know how Poch feels about any of this, I just found the idea that you could hold a manager at a club against his will amusing.

I think you're right. I just can't see Poch leaving this summer with the move to the new stadium just around the corner. Something tells me he will want to be there for the grand opening and then assisting with the bedding-in period.

That said, Levy could go a long way to ensuring Poch stays by actually backing him in his hour of need. A couple of transfer purchases in this window will help avert the injury crisis and could prove critical to Spurs' top four hopes. Plus it would be a sure sign of intent.

Are Spurs looking at anyone this window?

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

I think you're right. I just can't see Poch leaving this summer with the move to the new stadium just around the corner. Something tells me he will want to be there for the grand opening and then assisting with the bedding-in period.

That said, Levy could go a long way to ensuring Poch stays by actually backing him in his hour of need. A couple of transfer purchases in this window will help avert the injury crisis and could prove critical to Spurs' top four hopes. Plus it would be a sure sign of intent.

Are Spurs looking at anyone this window?

*shrugs*

Honestly I don't even bother checking transfer rumours and whatnot. Did that for the summer and it ended up just being depressing so at the moment I'm just treating it as if anything happens great, but I have zero expectations of us in the transfer market. Think I heard something about bringing Malcom in on loan but it's probably bollocks. I certainly don't think Levy is the type to panic buy because of injuries so I doubt we'll see anything on that front, we badly need a central midfielder but we ignored that in the summer so expect us to ignore it some more.

I think Pochettino accepts the transfer situation tbh, but it must frustrate him.

 

[bond19821982]

Name me five managers that moved from one top five club to another, within six months of the manager signing a new five year contract, and where the owner was as intransigent as Daniel Levy?

I'll wait.

Name me one player who moved for 225m before Neymar

 

[hellohello]

I think you're right. I just can't see Poch leaving this summer with the move to the new stadium just around the corner. Something tells me he will want to be there for the grand opening and then assisting with the bedding-in period.

That said, Levy could go a long way to ensuring Poch stays by actually backing him in his hour of need. A couple of transfer purchases in this window will help avert the injury crisis and could prove critical to Spurs' top four hopes. Plus it would be a sure sign of intent.

Are Spurs looking at anyone this window?

Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I always thought we were looking to bring someone in this January, and I think we will bring a CM, especially with Dembele leaving there's room in the squad. We'll see what happens, and I'm sure that if we can't find the right player then we won't buy anyone.

 

[Cascarino]

My doubts on him:
- may have been forced to play youth due to the chairman
- his team plays dirty when going gets tough.
- not enough activity in transfers to judge him
- ambitions

His positives:

- players showed good technical abilities
- seems to have a game plan


I am looking for some differences between him and OGS. OGS managing Cardiff and him managing Spurs, what’s the exact differentiation that people see.

I can understand why a United fan would plump for Solskjær ahead of Pochettino for the United job given the start he's had and his connection to United, but you're telling me that you can't see a difference in the job Solskjær did at Cardiff and the one Pochettino has done at Spurs?

 

[Striker10]

I can understand why a United fan would plump for Solskjær ahead of Pochettino for the United job given the start he's had and his connection to United, but you're telling me that you can't see a difference in the job Solskjær did at Cardiff and the one Pochettino has done at Spurs?

Are you comparing the environments and the quality level of Spurs and Cardiff? Even IF Pochettino were the better manager, it wouldn't mean automatically he was better for the job. How could Pochettino have improved our recent performances/results with our current players? From a United perspective, if the shoe fits? Why not wear it.

Now obviously that's based on what happens from now till the end. Not losing could create a bubble and unrealistic expectations or maybe the expectations would be legitimate. Many people wanted Giggs when Sir Alex left because of the continuity etc but Ole is probably better suited and no one really considered it.

Of course we might loose many games from now till the end and it all be a moot point. We just have to wait and see.

 

[hellohello]

Are you comparing the environments and the quality level of Spurs and Cardiff? Even IF Pochettino were the better manager, it wouldn't mean automatically he was better for the job. How could Pochettino have improved our recent performances/results with our current players? From a United perspective, if the shoe fits? Why not wear it.

Now obviously that's based on what happens from now till the end. Not losing could create a bubble and unrealistic expectations or maybe the expectations would be legitimate. Many people wanted Giggs when Sir Alex left because of the continuity etc but Ole is probably better suited and no one really considered it.

Of course we might loose many games from now till the end and it all be a moot point. We just have to wait and see.

I understand your argument that some managers are better fit for a club. For example I wouldn't trade Poch for Guardiola because the latter hasn't showed signs of succeeding without throwing money at a problem. But if you follow your argument, do you also mean that neither Guardiola or Klopp is better than Ole as well?

I feel that although Ole might be a perfect manager for you and could win you the league and CL, and would then rightly be talked about as a top manager. He might prove to be better than Pochettino, but right now you simply can't argue that he has showed to be a top manager or has showed anything close to what Pochettino has done. Tim Sherwood won 5 games in a row with Spurs when AVB was sacked iirc.

 

[Cascarino]

Are you comparing the environments and the quality level of Spurs and Cardiff?

No I'm not. The post I responded too stated that they couldn't see a difference in the job that Pochettino has done at Spurs and the job Solskjær did at Cardiff. Taking all the various factors into account, one has been a success and the other didn't do nearly as well. I'm not saying because it didn't work out for Solskjær at Cardiff (Cardiff is a shit club anyway) he should be written off, but to look his tenure there as being just as succesful as Pochettino's at Spurs makes no sense.

Even IF Pochettino were the better manager,

At this point in time, there is no 'if'. Solskjær could well go on to be the better manager, but at this moment in time Pochettino is the better manager.

it wouldn't mean automatically he was better for the job. How could Pochettino have improved our recent performances/results with our current players? From a United perspective, if the shoe fits? Why not wear it.

That's why I pointed out I could understand why plenty of United fans would rather Solskjær. I think he's had a brilliant start and has completely reinvigorated the side. If I was a United fan I'd want the club to stick with Solskjær . I wasn't taking umbrage at that.

 

[elmo]

Poch is overrated .

He does a stable job and is consistent in getting his team to perform to their expected level but he's never shown the ability to get them to over achieve . It's why he's consistently been able to get a top 4 finish in the league because the Spurs team is at that level. Coupled with our strength in the transfer market, Poch mught be the the right guy for us in the league.

But if we want to win the Champions League, Poch hasn't shown anything near the level required to actually beat the stronger teams in games that actually matter because he's just not a winner and it shows in how Spurs play every year.

I can't trust a manager who's satisfied with just getting a top 4 finish and not making a proper effort to win any trophy despite having one of the best team in the country.

Excuses about saving the team for the league is just rubbish and just highlights the fact that he's not confident in maintaining a challenge on multiple fronts and that's a major requirement for being our manager .

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Poch is overrated .

He does a stable job and is consistent in getting his team to perform to their expected level but he's never shown the ability to get them to over achieve . It's why he's consistently been able to get a top 4 finish in the league because the Spurs team is at that level. Coupled with our strength in the transfer market, Poch mught be the the right guy for us in the league.

But if we want to win the Champions League, Poch hasn't shown anything near the level required to actually beat the stronger teams in games that actually matter because he's just not a winner and it shows in how Spurs play every year.

I can't trust a manager who's satisfied with just getting a top 4 finish and not making a proper effort to win any trophy despite having one of the best team in the country.

Excuses about saving the team for the league is just rubbish and just highlights the fact that he's not confident in maintaining a challenge on multiple fronts and that's a major requirement for being our manager .

He’s only considered to be overrated when people think of him as top manager. Top manager who has yet win a trophy? I never knew someone like that can exist.

He’s done amazing for Spurs, may be Pep won’t be able to do the same but the point of being top manager isn’t about getting your team top 4 with limited budgets. May be Poch won’t even know how to spend big money to win trophy like Pep.

 

[chromepaxos]

It's ridiculous - you're restricting the subset with so many constraints to render it meaningless and useless. That's why you got the answer you got. Are you a Spurs fan per chance?

By "restricting the subset" you mean "stating the facts that apply"? Hysterical.

And no, you don't need to be a Spurs fan to recognise that Levy is going to make it difficult and expensive to recruit Poch. I have no idea why you - and others here - think that's not the case. It goes against everything we know about Levy, Poch and business law.

FFS, here's a club negotiating compensation because Huddersfield want to recruit their reserve coach. You imagine this shocking maneuver is beyond Levy?!?

 

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By "restricting the subset" you mean "stating the facts that apply"? Hysterical.

And no, you don't need to be a Spurs fan to recognise that Levy is going to make it difficult and expensive to recruit Poch. I have no idea why you - and others here - think that's not the case. It goes against everything we know about Levy, Poch and business law.

FFS, here's a club negotiating compensation because Huddersfield want to recruit their reserve coach. You imagine this shocking maneuver is beyond Levy?!?

The thing that many here including Spurs fans tried to tell you is that what Levy says, thinks or feels about such a potential move doesn’t matter. He’s not going to risk going into a new season with a disgruntled head coach who doesn’t want to be there, so United buying out his contract will have to do. When a player stops turning up to training, club has to sell. Why is that different when it comes to managers? You may have great confidence in your source, but the moment Pochettino says he no longer wants to be there, Utd holds all the cards, not Levy, no matter how ludicrous his demands.

Pochettino asking to go or going on strike is another issue entirely. It’s only hypotheticals, after all.

 

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He’s not going to risk going into a new season with a disgruntled head coach who doesn’t want to be there, so United buying out his contract will have to do.

The head coach who is so "disgruntled" he signed a new 5 year contract a few months ago and keeps repeating in interviews and pre-pressers how happy he is

 

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The head coach who is so "disgruntled" he signed a new 5 year contract a few months ago and keeps repeating in interviews and pre-pressers how happy he is

We are talking about a hypothetical situation.

You should read up a few posts.

 

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We are talking about a hypothetical situation.

You should read up a few posts.

Hypothetical or not, you're not talking about a "Marco Silva" here.

Pochettino has a reputation and history of "getting on with it", regardless. He doesn't have an agent, nor do Jesus, Toni or Miguel. He doesn't give the media anything in interviews. That's part and parcel of why he is so trusted by Levy with significant contracts. There is no situation where Pochettino would somehow be "disgruntled" because he couldn't join Man Utd - at the end of the day, he is still getting to live in one of the most desirable Cities in the world, at a club with quality players he has assembled, with his family and friends helping him, a chairman that trusts him, going into a new stadium (at some point, lol), and pretty much on the cusp of winning things. When you hear about how he talks about Espanyol or PSG, you can see that he has attachments to his former clubs, so I think it would take a lot for him to ever be near your hypothetical situation.

It's pretty amusing to think that a manager in his position would be "disgruntled", never mind one that, for all intents and purposes, seems to be pretty grateful for his lot.

 

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Hypothetical or not, you're not talking about a "Marco Silva" here.

Pochettino has a reputation and history of "getting on with it", regardless. He doesn't have an agent, nor do Jesus, Toni or Miguel. He doesn't give the media anything in interviews. That's part and parcel of why he is so trusted by Levy with significant contracts. There is no situation where Pochettino would somehow be "disgruntled" because he couldn't join Man Utd - at the end of the day, he is still getting to live in one of the most desirable Cities in the world, at a club with quality players he has assembled, with his family and friends helping him, a chairman that trusts him, going into a new stadium (at some point, lol), and pretty much on the cusp of winning things. When you hear about how he talks about Espanyol or PSG, you can see that he has attachments to his former clubs, so I think it would take a lot for him to ever be near your hypothetical situation.

It's pretty amusing to think that a manager in his position would be "disgruntled", never mind one that, for all intents and purposes, seems to be pretty grateful for his lot.

If you don’t bother to actually know about the conversation you partake in, it’s pretty pointless to expand any further. I understand talking about your manager leaving for another club in the same league is a touchy subject for you lot though, but other Spurs fans could do it.

You can start from here and work your way through.

I have never understood why people think we could get Levy to agree to let Poch go for only £40 million. That seems incredibly unlikely to me, and yesterday I heard a rumor that, if true, confirms my suspicions.

I watched yesterday's game with a friend who is a well-connected Spurs fan, sufficiently so that last week he got a tour of the new stadium (which he raves about incidentally. It's a big pitch but with very little setback to the stands and with steep banking - he thinks the atmospherics are going to be great).

His inside info from a club employee - and give this as much or as little credibility as you wish - is that Levy's opening ask for Poch is £140 million. The rationalization is that Man Utd would need not only to buy out the contracts of Poch but also all his assistants, and then also pay Tottenham for the inconvenience and risk they would have to take on if they agreed to the deal. Plus, of course, he know there aren't many alternatives out there so he has Utd over a barrel unless they take a punt on Ole or Zidane.

From a business perspective that seems like the right approach and absolutely one that Levy would take.

The corollary is that Woodward would be insane to pay that, but what if they negotiated it down to $75 million? Would Poch's supporters still think that was worthwhile? Maybe so, for true believers. I mean, if we had paid £5 million for Fergie back in 1986 would that have been too much in retrospect?