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Fending off the urge
Give ole a chanceHe even said have to give ole a chance first. Some of you dont even act like youve read the article!
must go all out getting pochetinno
Give ole a chanceHe even said have to give ole a chance first. Some of you dont even act like youve read the article!
Both are valid opinions.Give ole a chance
must go all out getting pochetinno
Not in one interview they're notBoth are valid opinions.
"First of all you have to give Ole an opportunity and that's a discussion that has to take place with the Glazers," said Rooney told ESPN.Not in one interview they're not
How's going all out for pochetinno = giving ole a chance?"First of all you have to give Ole an opportunity and that's a discussion that has to take place with the Glazers," said Rooney told ESPN.
"But if I had the opportunity to appoint someone, I'd go all out for Pochettino."
To me that's pretty clear. Pretty sure that's the boards stance right now and about 85/90 percent of us.
Don't get why it's so confusing for you. He said first would be discussion of ole and then all out for Poch.How's going all out for pochetinno = giving ole a chance?
You either give ole a chance and that's it.Don't get why it's so confusing for you. He said first would be discussion of ole and then all out for Poch.
Pochettino
Pros
- has a more proven record, more established as a manager
- his tactics/style seems better (whole system of pressing and attacking) and may suit us
- promote youngster, with some great success in recent years (Kane, Ali)
- working great with budget, despite limited funds, his team has done really well in recent years
Cons
- no gurantee he can adapt here and make good use of our players
- will cost us alot
- no guarantee he may wants to stay here for long term
- Never win a trophy before
Solskjaer
Pros
- has a perfect record for us so far, exceed all expectations
- his attacking style is exactly what we all want here, entertaining to watch at times
- promote youngster, not afraid to bench players with higher reputation
- he brings happiness to the dressing room, and understands united through and through
- seems make very good use of players, everyone improve playing under him
Cons
- Relatively unproven, less established as a manager
- Seems lack of abit of defensive tactics, and players fitness management in 2nd half, our def looks shaky at times
- still uncertain how well can he handle those tough situation (despite winning away against Spur, where De Gea is in God mode)
Verdict
I really hope Ole can stay here for long term, he clicks all box I want for new manager here. But if we go for Poch instead, I wouldn't mind too.
He has nothing to do with the club right now and isn't making decisions. You need to chill. There are two opinions right now. Consider Ole at the end of the season or go all out for Poch.You either give ole a chance and that's it.
Any talk of approaching pochetinno let alone going all our for him means ole is getting the boot, dispenseable, it simply means he's not good enough to hold the post on permanent basis.
We love you ole. But we're going all out to hire pochetinno. If we succeed, you're terminated. How's that for a chance?
I wonder what if it's up to you?He has nothing to do with the club right now and isn't making decisions. You need to chill. There are two opinions right now. Consider Ole at the end of the season or go all out for Poch.
The sensible thing to do would be to neither do the 'all out' for Pochettino routine nor the 'We love Ole and give him a chance (screw others)' one (unless he's done insanely well). Let's keep our options open and interview and speak to all the candidates - the interim manager and the outsiders.You either give ole a chance and that's it.
Any talk of approaching pochetinno let alone going all our for him means ole is getting the boot, dispenseable, it simply means he's not good enough to hold the post on permanent basis.
We love you ole. But we're going all out to hire pochetinno. If we succeed, you're terminated. How's that for a chance?
This i agree. Keep our avenues open while maintaining our class towards all parties.The sensible thing to do would be to neither do the 'all out' for Pochettino routine nor the 'We love Ole and give him a chance (screw others)' one (unless he's done insanely well). Let's keep our options open and interview and speak to all the candidates - the interim manager and the outsiders.
His results look flattering because of how inconsistent us, Chelsea and Arsenal has been over the past 5 years.Not sure about 'all out', but Pochettino should be considered. As should Ole. Thing with Pochettino is, he has proven his player development particularly with young players over the last 3-4 years in the premier league, and done so impeccably well. I have an open mind about this. Let's see how things are shaping up towards the end of the season. Will Ole turn us into a well oiled attacking side? Will he continue to get the best out of the team? Or will be be largely dysfunctional with only flashes of quality? Remains to be seen. Great start of course.
They're maintaining a very good standard though, which is the entire point.His results look flattering because of how inconsistent us, Chelsea and Arsenal has been over the past 5 years.
Spurs are just maintaining the same standard without doing anything too special in the league or cup competitions.
They are maintaining a very high standard, for a club such as spurs. You forget that before poch came in they were not a top4 club, same as liverpool. Winning the title or CL is just too hard, and they don t seem to care for the domestic cups. They want top 4 priority, so players wont start leaving, also money comes in to pay higher wages.His results look flattering because of how inconsistent us, Chelsea and Arsenal has been over the past 5 years.
Spurs are just maintaining the same standard without doing anything too special in the league or cup competitions.
They still won feck all and finished behind us and Chelsea when we played somewhere near our standards . That tells you that Poch isnt doing anything too special. Spurs aren't getting top 4 is the top clubs aren't having terrible seasons together.They're maintaining a very good standard though, which is the entire point.
Much easier to get top 4 when 3 of the usual top 4 are dong their worst at trying to stay inside the top 4. Poch needs to prove himself by actually winning something instead of just getting top 4 by default when the top clubs are all underperforming.They are maintaining a very high standard, for a club such as spurs. You forget that before poch came in they were not a top4 club, same as liverpool. Winning the title or CL is just too hard, and they don t seem to care for the domestic cups. They want top 4 priority, so players wont start leaving, also money comes in to pay higher wages.
They swaped place with Arsenal it seems, they became tropyless arsenal who always somehow got top4, and Arsenal became trophiless and no top4 of the past Spurs.
Spurs winning feck all is the norm. Everybody knows they should have the odd cup here or there, as should Liverpool, in recent years. But those, now much smaller, trophies no longer hold the weight they used to do, and certainly don't negate general progress a club could make regardless. And Pochettino has certainly done an excellent job at Spurs getting them regular CL football and making a light impression even in the CL itself while spending very very little. Expectations are at the end of the day viewed in context. The same results and performances at City would of course be unacceptable. That's the entire point of these forums. To try to discuss things with perspective and context rather than "no trophies, no good".They still won feck all and finished behind us and Chelsea when we played somewhere near our standards . That tells you that Poch isnt doing anything too special. Spurs aren't getting top 4 is the top clubs aren't having terrible seasons together.
This saves me from typing. Well written.Pochettino
Pros
- has a more proven record, more established as a manager
- his tactics/style seems better (whole system of pressing and attacking) and may suit us
- promote youngster, with some great success in recent years (Kane, Ali)
- working great with budget, despite limited funds, his team has done really well in recent years
Cons
- no gurantee he can adapt here and make good use of our players
- will cost us alot
- no guarantee he may wants to stay here for long term
- Never win a trophy before
Solskjaer
Pros
- has a perfect record for us so far, exceed all expectations
- his attacking style is exactly what we all want here, entertaining to watch at times
- promote youngster, not afraid to bench players with higher reputation
- he brings happiness to the dressing room, and understands united through and through
- seems make very good use of players, everyone improve playing under him
Cons
- Relatively unproven, less established as a manager
- Seems lack of abit of defensive tactics, and players fitness management in 2nd half, our def looks shaky at times
- still uncertain how well can he handle those tough situation (despite winning away against Spur, where De Gea is in God mode)
Verdict
I really hope Ole can stay here for long term, he clicks all box I want for new manager here. But if we go for Poch instead, I wouldn't mind too.
You're missing the point I'm making though, the only reason Poch is getting Spurs in the top 4 is because Arsenal, Chelsea and us have dropped our standards and Spurs is still the same team gets elevated to top 4 because somebody has to make up the numbers.Spurs winning feck all is the norm. Everybody knows they should have the odd cup here or there, as should Liverpool, in recent years. But those, now much smaller, trophies no longer hold the weight they used to do, and certainly don't negate general progress a club could make regardless. And Pochettino has certainly done an excellent job at Spurs getting them regular CL football and making a light impression even in the CL itself while spending very very little. Expectations are at the end of the day viewed in context. The same results and performances at City would of course be unacceptable. That's the entire point of these forums. To try to discuss things with perspective and context rather than "no trophies, no good".
So yes I think he's done an excellent job at Spurs. Whether that translates to actual success in terms of trophies at a bigger club with trophy related expectations, is for him to prove. Hes proven himself at Spurs. Now let's see if he can't do so at an elite club, wherever that may be.
This. We tried three big name managers in now, and all three of them failed. Maybe Poch is the man for the job, but as you said no guarantee of success with either appointment. Oles Cardiff stint was a bad one, but i think a lot of people dont give him enough credit for the job he did at Molde. He won the league in 2011 and 2012, the cup in 2013 as well as some good results in Europe, which is not bad considering the Norwegian league is a one horse race mot yearsNo guarantee of success with either appointment. Poch for all the clamouring has no silverware to his name and for all the talk of promoting youth - it’s not a particularly impressive record if you take out Kane and Alli.
Hence I rather stick with the man who knows United and what the club stands for than an admittedly very good manager who doesn’t.
United are easy looking to beat. Poch football might not be as attack or exciting but it'll work in the grand scheme of things. If ole tightens up some of his tactics, I might prefer him.
Fair points except that bold one.Good points, and i agree, especially with the verdict.
A bit unfair to use players' fitness against Ole, that should be down to Mourinho and how he trained the players.
Not very impressed with Ole's subs yet, he seems to try a bit hard to look like he always want to attack.
As a Norwegian, i want Ole to succeed as United manager, but as a neutral United supporter, i will also be happy with either of him and Poch.
Worried what our fans will think of him if he fails as a manager.
It's a really silly point. The only reason Atletico won La Liga is because Barca and Madrid were under par. The only reason Mourinho won the CL with Porto was because the competition was piss poor. The only reason Liecester won the league was because the league was poor. Etc etc The same logic would apply if we're using your logic for spurs and their progress/top 4 finishes.You're missing the point I'm making though, the only reason Poch is getting Spurs in the top 4 is because Arsenal, Chelsea and us have dropped our standards and Spurs is still the same team gets elevated to top 4 because somebody has to make up the numbers.
Getting past the group stages is the bare minimum for any English club in the CL because even our minimum spending is beyond most clubs in Europe other than Bayern, Juve, Real, PSG and Barcelona.
So from my point of view, Poch has done the bare minimum in the league and CL while underperforming in the domestic cups. Hardly signs of a top coach like so many people love to claim he is.
He isn’t at all. Yes ole had a great start but for once the board need to stick to their plan. Ole is temporary and Poch is long term tried and tested.I wish he just shut up and not undermine Ole.
This is the part that is important. Ole comes across as wanting to keep everyone happy - which is great compared to the sourness we’ve suffered over the past several years - but we do need to move on some players and add new players. Suppose time will tell. I am open to both options especially with our string of results and seeing smiles back in the team.Perhaps an additional thing to consider, a possible Cons is Ole's tranfer management skills -- how is he going to kick out the deadwood, and what type of players can he bring in that suits the team or just another new average player/new deadwood. Poch seems to have a better record at that atm.
Wait what? They battered us all second half. Ddg played well but a lot of those shots were poor from players who usually find thr corners. Lets not pretend the away match v spurs was a tactical masterclass, we robbed spurs. Plain and simple.I dont see any reason Poch should be over Ole as we saw he didn't make any move to draw or win the game vs us , it was a very serious task for Ole to prove himself and he did , no matter DDG was MOTM , this is no coincidence
Surely he's saying he'd give Ole the job, but if that doesn't materialise then he'd go all out for Pochettino.How's going all out for pochetinno = giving ole a chance?