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Definitely, with the added fact that Depay is also a mediocre player.

I'm Dutch, we tend to rate our players less than the rest of the world. If you want to really get to me, try going after Dirk Kuyt ;)
You are one of the best jokers around the place. :lol:

Now my personal opinion on this matter.

I watched both players, and had the luck or not to watch almost every game of Ronaldo Nazário de Lima during the 96/97 season at Barcelona under Bobby Robson where he played with Baía, Couto and Figo.

He was the best player I ever saw with that age.

No Messi, no Mbappé, no Cristiano. Sorry if someone disagrees, but just ask Mourinho, Queiroz, Baía, Figo or anyone who worked with him if they ever saw anyone better than him.

Maybe Guardiola will say Messi, but you know what? I don't care what he says.
 

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Anyone who thinks Cristiano Ronaldo is better than Ronaldo de Lima cannot have been watching football when the lad was playing.

RdL was a brilliantly gifted player whose career was limited by injuries - CR is a talented, but not brilliant, player who has reached the top by being lucky with injuries and working hard.

I'm a big CR7 fan, I'll make that clear, but there's no comparison.
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I'm not a sucker for stepovers I'm a sucker for exhilarating football which it was after Ronaldo came back from WC 2006. He was unbelievable and I don't think anyone has ever lit up Old Trafford like he did maybe apart from Best but I can't comment seeing as Best was way before my time. Everything just clicked for him and his end product skyrocketed. It wasn't just random dribbles into dead ends anymore. Everytime he got the ball you expected him to do something outrageous.
I see where you are coming from and agree on Cristiano post WC2006. That's the debate really in a nutshell because the Real Madrid Ronaldo was more productive, got more goals, more trophies, and any stat you want... but I still to this day prefer our Ronaldo due to that expectation that something great is about to happen.

You got that with R9 even more so than CR7, so it boils down to: if you prefer United Ronaldo R9 was better, if you prefer the perfect well-oiled goal machine he became then you wouldn't choose R9 ahead of it.
 

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Not sure what the meaning of higher peak is anymore. At Lima Ronaldo's greatest, did he achieve more than Cristiano Ronaldo? Individually or collectively(team). If no, then how was his peak greater than Cristiano's?
Well he did win the world cup. Id say that's quite the peak. The CL is arguably a similar achievement with the difference that about 6 clubs buy all the talent and the rest of the footballing world doesnt have a chance in hell to win it.

Though I suppose Ronaldo's Brazil werent exactly talentless layabouts.
 

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It was against Porto, and a one off.
Staying at one off, what about the Portsmouth free kick. Juventus bicycle kick. These are moments I don't think the Brazilian produced. He had is own iconic moments but I'm answering those that say he was better than CR7 at pure ability
 

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Staying at one off, what about the Portsmouth free kick. Juventus bicycle kick. These are moments I don't think the Brazilian produced. He had is own iconic moments but I'm answering those that say he was better than CR7 at pure ability
Of all the things to hold against the Brazilian Ronaldo in a comparison between the two, I'm not sure his ability to score superb goals or produce inspired performances is exactly the ideal factor to focus on.
 

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Brazilian Ronaldo better peak, Cristiano better career. I consider Messi as best ever from players I've seen over the years, but Ronaldo was absolute freak before injuries, still can't get over that- pace, speed, technique, physical strength, inteligence and finishing! Complete as it gets.
 

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You are one of the best jokers around the place. :lol:

Now my personal opinion on this matter.

I watched both players, and had the luck or not to watch almost every game of Ronaldo Nazário de Lima during the 96/97 season at Barcelona under Bobby Robson where he played with Baía, Couto and Figo.

He was the best player I ever saw with that age.

No Messi, no Mbappé, no Cristiano. Sorry if someone disagrees, but just ask Mourinho, Queiroz, Baía, Figo or anyone who worked with him if they ever saw anyone better than him.

Maybe Guardiola will say Messi, but you know what? I don't care what he says.
I agree with this. The things Lima did with a ball, Ive never seen since.

Club career wise there's plenty better and loath as I am to admit it, CR has the best individual career of all time.
 

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Of all the things to hold against the Brazilian Ronaldo in a comparison between the two, I'm not sure his ability to score superb goals or produce inspired performances is exactly the ideal factor to focus on.
I'm just trying to make a point to bust this myth that CR7 has been efficiently padding stats while Brazilian Ronaldo had much better raw ability with the ball.

It's false. CR7 can score goals Ronaldo simply didn't even have in his bank.
 

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I think the best way I can answer this question is that if I was picking my all time 11, I’d have them both on it both in terms of favourite players and most effective (in my opinion)

I’d have Cristiano as the left winger and Ronaldo as the number 9 and it would be the Man Utd version of CR. I think as a pure number 9, you’d probably choose Luís Ronaldo but CR is so much more than that and probably a more complete player. Both on their day are absolutely unstoppable, at which point personal preference is welcome to have its way with the debate. I’d say that Ronaldo at UTD brought me more joy than Ronaldo at Barcelona or inter Milan, but what Luís doesn’t get enough credit for us returning to the top after his injury. At Barcelona and Inter it looked like we had a best ever candidate. Then he got an injury that should have made it impossible to return to that level, but he did, he came back and played the game better than everyone else again. It’s quite remarkable really.

We talk now about how big the gap is from Messi and Ronaldo to everyone else but when Luis Ronaldo was at his peak, the gap between him (and him alone) and the next best was just as big.
 

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We talk now about how big the gap is from Messi and Ronaldo to everyone else but when Luis Ronaldo was at his peak, the gap between him (and him alone) and the next best was just as big.
If not bigger.
 

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When pre injury R9 had a good side around him he basically won everything, as top scorer.

He won all Copa Americas he started in, destroying the competition. Messi cannot even beat Chile for instance. He reached 2 World Cup finals in a row, that is an immense feat. He carried Brazil at the age of 21 in France, if not for the convulsion he could have been 2 for 2 also.

Think about it, he destroyed and won 2 copa americas and carried Brazil to world cup finals before the age of 22.

This suggests that, if R9, at his peak, was in a multi-billion dollar side like Manchester United, he would take the piss. Instead he was playing with Taribo West and De La Pena and Giovanni
 

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RdL was a brilliantly gifted player whose career was limited by injuries - CR is a talented, but not brilliant, player who has reached the top by being lucky with injuries and working hard.
He's all of those things! Had he not turned into a machine, at the expense of some entertainment value, I'd bet some people's opinions would be different.

I'm not saying he's better than fat Ronaldo though. That's really an impossible decision.
 

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I understand people that think Ronaldo 9 had a better peak, but I think people are also downplaying Ronaldo 7 in peak.

In 2016/2017 Ronaldo 7 scored 10 goals in the last 8 games of the CL, against the generally recognised 2 better defenses in the world + one the best all-around teams.

I remember Ronaldo 9 and he had a massive dribbling coupled with strong physique and speed, he was really sensational, but what was his "peak" worth?
What I mean is, if he was that amazing, why didn't he just crush past everything?
By the way, by peak you mean 2-3 years? or 3-4 games?
 

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The face that you think he was a better dribbler than Messi is proof hes being romanticized. Im a Cr7 fan but Brazillian Ronaldo having better dribbling than Messi is ridiculous.
Don't think Ronaldo was a better dribbler than Messi overall, but his dribbling speed is unmatched and he variied a bit more in the moves he used. Being great with both feet helps too.
 
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CR7 doesn't come close to R9's peak

Longetivity CR7 wins it by a long shot but on pure ability and skill R9 for me every day of the week
 

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Personally I think Ronaldo Fenomeno was better peak although I think Cristiano had better career. It is interesting to see how Ronaldo Fenomeno's career would have panned out if he didn't have such bad injuries. To win 2 World Players of The Year Awards by 21 is some feat that I think will be hard to replicate but I think the one he won in 2002 is more significant for him due to it being post injuries. He must have amazing mental strength to come back from an injury that put him out for 522 days.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...aldo-40-birthday-brazil-greatest-ever-striker In this article there are quotes about him from people like Sir Bobby Robson and Gianluigi Buffon.
Desailly states “I’ve never seen a player able to show such precise control at such high speed,” said Marcel Desailly. “Watching him was like watching a character in a video game.”
Also in the article Nesta decribed playing against him in the 1998 UEFA Cup final as "The worst experience of my career". That article also contains which are in my opinion 2 decent videos and some commentary from Sir Bobby Robson.

In this article Zlatan states who he thinks is the better of the 2 https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/zlatan-ibrahimovic-brazilian-ronaldo-better-cristiano-ronaldo


It is also noted that Zlatan holds Ronaldo Feneomeno high as any player ever
The best player I have ever played with? That’s Ronaldo. I have seen Il Fenomeno do things that nobody else has ever done. For me, the best players are those who are able to think of a play and execute it quickest and in the best way possible, and Ronaldo Nazario has been the best at that. The speed of thought that he had – and the speed he had to carry out his actions – were perfect. It was something amazing. I’ve thought a lot about other players before. I think he was a phenomenon.”
“For me, Ronaldo is the greatest. He was as [good as] Pele. There was nobody like him. No one has influenced both football and the players who emerged as Ronaldo…There will never, in my view, be a better player than him… I put up photos of Ronaldo in my room. Ronaldo was the man”
https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/18-best-quotes-ronaldo-zlatan-messi-buffon/
 
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Some people talk about Cristiano Ronaldo as if he’s Bakayoko ffs, he got to where he has due to being elite technically, he’s world class on the ball... he surpassed more talented players on the ball due to being better at plenty of other things, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t great at it himself ffs.

People that say R9 had more footballing ability mean that he was better on the ball, but there is a lot more to footballing ability than that. Every other weekend there are 30 million people at the Porto stadium with more ‘footballing ability’ than Moussa Marega and it’s still his name that they’re singing.

Some people are discussing which one was better at football, others are discussing which one was better at capturing their imagination.
 

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It was against Porto, and a one off.
I dearly hope you weren't serious when you posted that. Plenty on here need to refresh their memories because going by this thread the narrative is CR7 is a huge stat padder who can only score simple goals.

Here's few to remind of how many different type of goals he's scored.




This is only till 16/17 season

You can prefer one over the other but let's not be disingenuous and spread bs.
 

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I'm just trying to make a point to bust this myth that CR7 has been efficiently padding stats while Brazilian Ronaldo had much better raw ability with the ball.

It's false. CR7 can score goals Ronaldo simply didn't even have in his bank.
I personally agree with you, but I wasn't considering long shots as "doing things with a ball" which, when I type it out like this seems a bit silly mind you.
 

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I dearly hope you weren't serious when you posted that. Plenty on here need to refresh their memories because going by this thread the narrative is CR7 is a huge stat padder who can only score simple goals.

Here's few to remind of how many different type of goals he's scored.




This is only till 16/17 season

You can prefer one over the other but let's not be disingenuous and spread bs.
I don’t need to watch any of those videos to know that his goal against Porto in terms of distance, power and placement was a one off. He simply hasn’t scored from that far out from open play ever again. It’s so unique that it’s expected to be a one off.
 

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How is Fenomeno unstoppable, when he only had one season above 40 goals in his whole career? And I imagine CRonaldo has more assists, too
Fenomeno played in much inferior teams. He probably had a quarter of the shots on goal Cristiano had per game. Many pros consider Fenomeno as the hardest to play against and defend against:

“My favourite Brazilian footballer of all time is Ronaldo. I was fortunate enough to play against him many times, and I was lucky enough to play against him before he got those serious injuries that affected his career. He was a formidable player, a sensational player. He was sort of like an alien because of what he could do on the pitch. The fact that a footballer like him is not remembered as the best player of all time is a great tragedy in my opinion. He had all the skills he needed to be the best ever”

Gianluigi Buffon

“The best player I have seen in my career.”

— Clarence Seedorf

“What made Ronaldo different was his sheer physical strength. He is the best I have played with.”

— Luis Figo

“Ronaldo Nazário was, without doubt, the best striker I’ve ever seen. What I saw him do was spectacular, and that was having come to the club after a World Cup and having been sidelined for two years before that with a knee injury.”

— Michel Salgado

“I was in Spain when he was playing for Barcelona, and I can tell everybody that he was one of the best. He was impossible to mark, he had an acceleration that made him difficult to stop, he was scoring goals for fun, he was doing things that the rest couldn’t do. He was the special player during my time in Spain.”

— Gus Poyet

Ronaldo, the phenomenon, was the greatest player I have ever coached

Fabio Capello

The best player I have ever played with? That’s Ronaldo, il Fenomeno. I have seen il Fenomeno do things that nobody else has ever done

Kaka

I’ve never seen a player able to show such precise control at such a high speed. Watching him was like watching a character in a video game.”
— Marcel Desailly

Without hesitation, Ronaldo is the best player I ever played with. He had such an ease with the ball. He is number one. Every day I trained with him, I saw something different, something new, something beautiful. That’s what makes the difference between a very good player, and the exception, who, for me, is Ronaldo

Zinedine Zidane

When I was younger, the way the Brazilian Ronaldo played had an influence on me. For me he’s the best striker and the best player of all-time. I watch videos of him, and try to do what he does, but it’s not easy. It’s impossible to pull off the same moves as he did

Karim Benzema

“The worst experience I ever had was playing against Ronaldo when we faced Internazionale in the 1998 UEFA Cup Final in Paris. He’s an incredible player. I have watched that game on video so many times since then, trying to work out what I did wrong. We lost 3-0 but I don’t think now it was my fault. Ronaldo was simply unstoppable. He is so quick he makes everyone else look as if they are standing still.”

–Alessandro Nesta


Most of those players played/coached Cristiano as well. Even teammates in the national team like Figo always had Fenomeno in higher regard.
 

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This suggests that, if R9, at his peak, was in a multi-billion dollar side like Manchester United, he would take the piss. Instead he was playing with Taribo West and De La Pena and Giovanni
Using his achievements for the national team as an argument doesn't mix with this particular bit. Brazil was arguably the strongest team in the tournament even without Ronaldo in both 98 and 02. You make it seem like he played with a bunch of journeymen when he in fact had arguably the best left and right back of all time in the side, plus Rivaldo and Ronaldinho, who both were Ballon d'Or winners in their own right. Lucio, Aldair, Dunga, Gilberto Silva, Emerson and Roque Junior were also far from mediocre. Future Ballon d'Or winner Kaka was also in the squad in 02.

Let's not forget that Brazil were reigning champions in 98 after winning without Ronaldo even kicking a ball for them, so they obviously had quality in their team.
 

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Using his achievements for the national team as an argument doesn't mix with this particular bit. Brazil was arguably the strongest team in the tournament even without Ronaldo in both 98 and 02. You make it seem like he played with a bunch of journeymen when he in fact had arguably the best left and right back of all time in the side, plus Rivaldo and Ronaldinho, who both were Ballon d'Or winners in their own right. Lucio, Aldair, Dunga, Gilberto Silva, Emerson and Roque Junior were also far from mediocre. Future Ballon d'Or winner Kaka was also in the squad in 02.

Let's not forget that Brazil were reigning champions in 98 after winning without Ronaldo even kicking a ball for them, so they obviously had quality in their team.
That's not true mate. The Brazil team at the time (02) was torn with scandals. Many saw Rivaldo on the wane, Dinho was too young and had many personal issues even weeks before the team was gathered. If you look purely the names sure, but the circumstances were very different if we recall it.
 

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I don’t need to watch any of those videos to know that his goal against Porto in terms of distance, power and placement was a one off. He simply hasn’t scored from that far out from open play ever again. It’s so unique that it’s expected to be a one off.
You can choose to not watch them but that doesn't make what you say true. There are couple of goals in the 1st video itself which are scored from similar distance, power, placement etc. to the one he scored v Porto.

Brazilian Ronaldo was arguably the better player at his peak, but CR7 comes out as having had the better career. Suppose it depends which out the two you value more.
It's not even a question. You'll obviously prefer the player who can give you more years at top of his game than 2-3 freakish ones. Their respective peaks are arguable but even if CR7 wasn't as good as R9 at his peak, would you take 15 years of top level performances from CR7 or you'll be happy to trade that for 2-3 years of R9?

Any manager worth his salt would opt for the former.
 

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You can choose to not watch them but that doesn't make what you say true. There are couple of goals in the 1st video itself which are scored from similar distance, power, placement etc. to the one he scored v Porto.



It's not even a question. You'll obviously prefer the player who can give you more years at top of his game than 2-3 freakish ones. Their respective peaks are arguable but even if CR7 wasn't as good as R9 at his peak, would you take 15 years of top level performances from CR7 or you'll be happy to trade that for 2-3 years of R9?

Any manager worth his salt would opt for the former.
What minute of the video are these goals at?
 

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People are underrating Ronaldo's longevity. He was the best player in the word from around 96-03. That’s pretty decent going. I’m not sure if being the second best player in the world for 10 years straight quite trumps that.

Anyways, how does Ronaldo rank among the Brazilian greats? Obviously Pele stands first but what about the other great players Brazil have had over the years. Easily the most stacked national team in football history in terms of all time talent.
 

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CR7 pretty much mastered every facet of being a forward in his career. Like I said in a previous post, if you were to place each iteration of CR7 throughout his career in one line-up (assuming there are 3 iterations (his touchline winger 04-07' days; wide-forward 08-14' days & second striker days (current iteration))) they would all look like completely different players and form a balanced team. For example, young CR7 would have the crossing ability and wing play to complement and support the off-ball movement, aerial ability and finishing of older CR7. I don't think R9 was as complete a player in all aspects of being a forward.
 

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That’s just not true at all though. You can’t limit the service Ronaldo gets because of the way he plays, I have never seen any other player make it so easy for his team to create chances for them. Just look at the way Juventus plays and how little service he gets.

Good luck neutralizing any half decent team to stop getting to the line and putting a cross in or getting a few set pieces... how many teams have ever managed to consistently neutralize the service Cristiano gets? He always gets half a chance, if you lose your marker as often as he does throughout a match and have physical advantages over defenders then the ball will eventually find him in the right spot.

Getting the ball and trying to solve everything on your own is not an effective way to play football and making the team better, no matter how good that player is. Teams will figure out how to defend it a lot easier and the rest of the team won’t play at their best.
Let me put it this way. If we put Cristiano in that Inter team, he wouldn't make it contender of the Scudetto.



^^ Cristiano averaged 6.9 shots per game in his career. Can you imagine 90's Seria A Ronaldo getting (on average) 7 shots per game? If we're using stats we really can't be comparing apples and oranges..
 

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Fenomeno played in much inferior teams. He probably had a quarter of the shots on goal Cristiano had per game. Many pros consider Fenomeno as the hardest to play against and defend against:

“My favourite Brazilian footballer of all time is Ronaldo. I was fortunate enough to play against him many times, and I was lucky enough to play against him before he got those serious injuries that affected his career. He was a formidable player, a sensational player. He was sort of like an alien because of what he could do on the pitch. The fact that a footballer like him is not remembered as the best player of all time is a great tragedy in my opinion. He had all the skills he needed to be the best ever”

Gianluigi Buffon

“The best player I have seen in my career.”

— Clarence Seedorf

“What made Ronaldo different was his sheer physical strength. He is the best I have played with.”

— Luis Figo

“Ronaldo Nazário was, without doubt, the best striker I’ve ever seen. What I saw him do was spectacular, and that was having come to the club after a World Cup and having been sidelined for two years before that with a knee injury.”

— Michel Salgado

“I was in Spain when he was playing for Barcelona, and I can tell everybody that he was one of the best. He was impossible to mark, he had an acceleration that made him difficult to stop, he was scoring goals for fun, he was doing things that the rest couldn’t do. He was the special player during my time in Spain.”

— Gus Poyet

Ronaldo, the phenomenon, was the greatest player I have ever coached

Fabio Capello

The best player I have ever played with? That’s Ronaldo, il Fenomeno. I have seen il Fenomeno do things that nobody else has ever done

Kaka

I’ve never seen a player able to show such precise control at such a high speed. Watching him was like watching a character in a video game.”
— Marcel Desailly

Without hesitation, Ronaldo is the best player I ever played with. He had such an ease with the ball. He is number one. Every day I trained with him, I saw something different, something new, something beautiful. That’s what makes the difference between a very good player, and the exception, who, for me, is Ronaldo

Zinedine Zidane

When I was younger, the way the Brazilian Ronaldo played had an influence on me. For me he’s the best striker and the best player of all-time. I watch videos of him, and try to do what he does, but it’s not easy. It’s impossible to pull off the same moves as he did

Karim Benzema

“The worst experience I ever had was playing against Ronaldo when we faced Internazionale in the 1998 UEFA Cup Final in Paris. He’s an incredible player. I have watched that game on video so many times since then, trying to work out what I did wrong. We lost 3-0 but I don’t think now it was my fault. Ronaldo was simply unstoppable. He is so quick he makes everyone else look as if they are standing still.”

–Alessandro Nesta


Most of those players played/coached Cristiano as well. Even teammates in the national team like Figo always had Fenomeno in higher regard.
:lol:

That’s just not true at all though... Figo has made it pretty clear.

Not that he even watches the games though, I know for a fact he doesn’t give a shit.
 

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That’s just not true at all though... Figo has made it pretty clear.

Not that he even watches the games though, I know for a fact he doesn’t give a shit.
Not that he didn't play with them both did he? :) You can find ton of quotes from some of the best players in the game saying Fenomeno was the best they've seen. I imagine they don't watch the games as well or don't give a shit?
 

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Let me put it this way. If we put Cristiano in that Inter team, he wouldn't make it contender of the Scudetto.



^^ Cristiano averaged 6.9 shots per game in his career. Can you imagine 90's Seria A Ronaldo getting (on average) 7 shots per game? If we're using stats we really can't be comparing apples and oranges..
Ronaldo gets loads of shots because he shoots a lot, same for players like Kane. Has nothing to do with the league, I bet Batistuta wasn’t too far off that playing for a less dominant team.

Wasn’t Bierhoff playing against the same great defenders? Because despite how good R9 was in his prime, a 34 year old Cristiano will be the first Ronaldo to top the goalscorers table in Italy.
 

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Off course it does.

If r9 is that unstoppable where are the goals then? Surely if you're the best dribbler technicians etc you would have no problem scoring more goals?

Stats like distance covered etc arent worth much but goals scored is the stats that matters when comparing strikers. And it's not even a measly 10-20 goals different but hundreds
Ok, let's see Cristiano score 3 in one game like these:


People fail to grasp the difference in the era and the dominance of the teams they played for. It was unthinkable to have 2 clubs cropping the greatest talents in the world.
 

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Not that he didn't play with them both did he? :) You can find ton of quotes from some of the best players in the game saying Fenomeno was the best they've seen. I imagine they don't watch the games as well or don't give a shit?
You know Figo played with Cristiano until 2006 right? No shit was R9 better than that ffs.

If we’re going for great players’ quotes to settle arguments then who better than quoting the two greatest ever in Maradona and Pelé?

You can quote them when they said one thing and I’ll quote them when they said the exact opposite 2 weeks later.

Seriously? Players’ quotes? And no, most of them do not watch the games. I’m 100% sure I’m more qualified to give an opinion on Ronaldo’s performances at Juve so far than the likes of Figo or Kaka.
 

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Ronaldo gets loads of shots because he shoots a lot, same for players like Kane. Has nothing to do with the league, I bet Batistuta wasn’t too far off that playing for a less dominant team.

Wasn’t Bierhoff playing against the same great defenders? Because despite how good R9 was in his prime, a 34 year old Cristiano will be the first Ronaldo to top the goalscorers table in Italy.
He wasn't really. 7 shots per game is a lot mate, by a single player on average. Messi averaged 5 in his career, playing in a team that gets 80% of the possession against inferior teams.

See, most die hard Cristiano fans always use the stats and goals to make their case. Those who see Fenomeno better have watched him live at his peak, his impact, how he frightened the best defenders in the game.

Stats don't tell you the whole thing and even if we go by accomplishments and stats, Gerd Muller should easily be considered better than Cristiano. He has matched him at club level but trumps all Cristiano has done on international stage, with the goal tally to boot..
 

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Ok, let's see Cristiano score 3 in one game like these:


People fail to grasp the difference in the era and the dominance of the teams they played for. It was unthinkable to have 2 clubs cropping the greatest talents in the world.
Not impossible when you’re born in Brazil though... should have played with Ronaldinho and Rivaldo instead of Danny and Hugo Almeida.
 

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You know Figo played with Cristiano until 2006 right? No shit was R9 better than that ffs.

If we’re going for great players’ quotes to settle arguments then who better than quoting the two greatest ever in Maradona and Pelé?

You can quote them when they said one thing and I’ll quote them when they said the exact opposite 2 weeks later.

Seriously? Players’ quotes? And no, most of them do not watch the games. I’m 100% sure I’m more qualified to give an opinion on Ronaldo’s performances at Juve so far than the likes of Figo or Kaka.
So I take it Capello, Mourinho, Zidane doesn't watch games?
 

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Ok, let's see Cristiano score 3 in one game like these:


People fail to grasp the difference in the era and the dominance of the teams they played for. It was unthinkable to have 2 clubs cropping the greatest talents in the world.