If Blair saw what his party has become he would be turning in his grave.
Can't have everything I guess.
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Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Can't have everything I guess.
There's a Kashmir thread wide open if anybody wants to move the discussion in there? Might not stay open long though.
This’ll probably send Neil Kinnock to his.
7 blairites have left the party. If this isn't the best news I've heard in ages i don't know what is.
Goodbye and good riddence.
Goodbye and good riddence.
I don't remember a terrorist attack that didn't involve violence to be honest.
Cheers Roland
Yeah, fair enough, I can understand why.I said I’d get back to you with my full thoughts but it doesn’t really boil down to much, I basically agree with everything you said regarding Corbyn, but I was viewing the tweet in isolation and those offended, rather than if someone in Corbyn’s position should be tweeting that.
Like you said it’s a contentious issue for many but I think those offended by that tweet are being overly sensitive (though I have no problem with people thinking it’s a stupid tweet). I agree that he should have mentioned terrorism rather than violence (and think had he done this there’d be less anger) but disagree with your view about his ‘I stand with the people of Kashmir’ remark. I think he’s referring to the situation as a whole rather than just this specific incident, the people of Kashmir have been suffering and what’s happening there is a travesty. Like you said a number of countries are claiming sovereignty so by ‘standing with the people of Kashmir’ remark he bypasses having to support any one nation.
I know a few have complained about this conversation not really belonging in the Corbyn thread but I thought this belonged here as it’s regarding a Corbyn tweet, anymore regarding Kashmir and I will switch thread.
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You know what? I'm probably being a little unfair. I'm just so pissed off with the inept (or, arguably, devious/selfish) way Corbyn has handled the Brexit referendum, from day one, I'm inclined to jump down his throat at any opportunity. So it's definitely possible I'm reading far too much into an innocuous tweet.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/deputy-leader-tom-watson-says-15857976
"Racist bullies drove Luciana Berger out of the labour party"
That's the quote from Tom Watson the deputy leader
Surely jez either has to say he's wrong and sack him... Or admit he's right and sort it out
Over to you jezbollah
"Racist bullies drove Luciana Berger out of the labour party"
That's the quote from Tom Watson the deputy leader
Surely jez either has to say he's wrong and sack him... Or admit he's right and sort it out
Over to you jezbollah
That made me laugh
One of these statements comes from from a man who sounds capable of rallying Labour together, despite these recent departees. That man is not Jeremy Corbyn.
More likley momentum de-select Watson than let him sort the problems out though
With all due respect guys you're coming here gunning without much background i assume?
The story of her CLP has already been publically discussed in recent weeks this isn't news. A few members posted stuff on Facebook and they're under investigation, I'm not sure what else you expect to happen?
The story of her CLP has already been publically discussed in recent weeks this isn't news. A few members posted stuff on Facebook and they're under investigation, I'm not sure what else you expect to happen?
Watson and now Gardiner apologising for the lack of action on antisemitism. There seems to be a distancing from Corbyn going on by some heavyweights
How much more apologising will be enough.
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Local telly says it's because of a tweet in 2012. Must have been a pretty bad one for action to be taken so fast.
It was, quite predictably, about jews.
"Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel!"
Right. At first sight a lot of people would agree with that, but after a bit you think how completely one-sided it is. Which is understandable from a bloke in the pub, but he's spent a good chunk of his life as a professional politician, he should know better.
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It'll only end when policy on Palestine is changed
He's not spoke to Luciana since 2017...
They say the first step to dealing with a problem is admitting it and either he should be admitting tom Watson is correct and putting in place things to fix it ... Or he should be sacking Tom Watson for bringing the party into disrepute
Or frankly he knows it's a problem and just does not care... Which seems more and more likely
Perhaps starting with reporting antisemitic threats to the police and warning the individual concerned would be a better starting point
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-snubs-mp-luciana-berger-over-assault-threat-1.472234
MP Luciana Berger at the 2018 Labour Party conference in Liverpool (Photo: Getty Images)
The Labour leadership has failed to make any contact with Jewish Labour MP Luciana Berger — despite the announcement last week of a criminal investigation into violent antisemitic threats made against her.
The JC understands that neither Jeremy Corbyn nor any member of his senior team has offered support of any kind to Ms Berger after Cressida Dick, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, confirmed last Friday the start of a criminal probe into the threats that appeared in a dossier of abuse from Labour members.
In a series of potentially catastrophic events for Labour, it has emerged that party officials were fully aware of the threats made to Ms Berger — including the suggestion she was a “Zionist Extremist… about (to) get a good kicking” — for at least six months.
Despite the fact that Ms Berger has been a frequent target of extremists since she was elected Liverpool Wavertree MP in 2010, and that Labour MP Jo Cox was murdered by an extremist in 2016, Labour officials failed to alert Ms Berger or the police about the existence of threats now deemed serious enough for an investigation by Scotland Yard.
Sources close to Ms Berger say the conduct of the Labour leadership over this matter has left her dismayed, with a Labour spokesperson saying, “if someone feels they have been a victim of crime they should report it to the police in the usual way”.
But a Labour MP told the JC that this was impossible: Ms Berger could not have reported the threat to the police because the Labour Party had refused to make her aware of it.
One senior Labour figure told the JC it was “shameful the way Mr Corbyn and his supporters, including some very high profile women, were in effect now giving Luciana the cold shoulder.”
The existence of the dossier (compiled by Labour investigating officers ) of 70 cases of antisemitism by Labour members was first reported in September after the contents were handed to radio station LBC by Labour members frustrated with the party’s disputes panel’s failure to act over blatant misconduct.
In one Facebook post contained in the dossier, a party member was shown to have written: “Zionist Extremist MP Luciana Berger, who hates civilised people, about (to) get a good kicking!”
The same individual was also revealed to have shared numerous other antisemitic posts with their 7,000 followers and friends online, including an image suggesting American taxpayers’ money is being channelled into the slaughter of Palestinians by Jewish controllers.
They were only suspended by Labour after the nature of their threats were revealed in September
Another member wrote: “We shall rid the Jews who are a cancer on us all.”
Another report in the dossier related to a party member accused of putting a child through “ten years of hell” and referring to him as “Jew boy”. A Labour member from Yorkshire suggested that Labour MP Yvette Cooper should be invited to a charity abseil, adding: “Then we can throw her off the top — no ropes.”
Leading barrister Simon Myerson QC told the JC that Labour’s tactics in dealing with the contents of the dossier were “beyond comprehension. The suggestion seems to be that Ms Berger could have reported the matter herself: that’s a neat bit of responsibility transferring. But it’s impossible.”
Criticising the party’s behaviour, he said: “If the bizarre decision is taken not to inform the person at risk, I would expect the police to be informed.
"That is a free standing obligation based on straightforward common law principles about the duty of care: the death of Jo Cox adds weight to the need to do so, but doesn’t alter the legal obligation which already existed, in my view.”
Mr Myerson said the decision not to alert Ms Berger “appears to have been carried out by someone who doesn’t have a clue what they were doing, took no legal advice, and has no apparent expertise in assessing threat levels”.
The JC understands that at the July meeting of Labour’s ruling national executive committee, the contents of the dossier, including the subject of “Physical Threats to an MP” were placed on the agenda for discussion, although it is not known if full details were raised in the time allotted for the monthly gathering.
Only one month earlier, the party had appointed Gordon Nardell QC as in-house counsel on disciplinary matters — with general secretary Jennie Formby suggesting that the move signalled her intention to make dealing with antisemitism issues a “priority”.
When asked if Mr Nardell had attended the July NEC meeting and whether he was aware of the contents of the dossier, a Labour spokesman told the JC: “We don’t comment on staffing matters.”
After the announcement of a criminal investigation, Labour Deputy Leader Tom Watson broke rank to demand that party members who have “committed hate crimes” face “the full force of law”.
Moderate Labour MPs, including Liz Kendall and Jess Phillips, were amongst those to quickly condemn the “completely unacceptable” attacks on Ms Berger. Ms Phillips, MP for Birmingham Yardley, said Labour’s leadership had a “duty of care” to “end the antisemitism” Ms Berger faced.
A spokesperson for the Labour Party told the JC: “It was only two years ago that Jo Cox was murdered in the street, so of course we take any threat against any of our MPs extremely seriously. We encourage people to report matters to the police if they suspect a crime has been committed and we expect anyone who has committed a crime to be dealt with
Why didn't the people who reported it to the Labour Party warn the individuals concerned or report it to the Police? Seems they judged it wasn't important enough to warn their mates about it
Hang on... The party has threats made via the party to an MP in the wake of joe Cox murder... They have multiple vile anti Semitic and criminal things sent and they don't pass it on to the police.
The person at fault in your view is the whistleblower who took these allegations to the police and media?
The party then try to say Berger should have reported the threats (even though they never warned her ).
The police saw them as credible enough to give her a bodyguard and have made prosecutions...
Yeah no anti-Semitism problem to see here... Move along FFS no wonder the party is fecked with that kind of attitude
People made a number of reports to the Labour Party saying there have been threats to MPs and antisemitism. So these people made the effort to report this to the Labour Party but not the people that it was aimed at.
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Ouch.
If we are going to say racist by association thats going to include a lot of zionists
That twitter thread is one big load of shite
If that thread was about any other racial group, and involved any other well known figure, you’d have no problem accusing them of racism. FFS people get accused of being racists for far, far less.
I’m assuming you’re a pretty normal guy, sort of like me? I find it increasingly scary that normal people are able to turn a blind eye to this kind of stuff because the political leader in question appeals to their political beliefs.
That twitter thread is one big load of shite
I think there’s a sentence that’s often thrown around on the internet, starts with the word “This” and ends with the word “started”.
Why didn’t the victims come forward earlier? Why didn’t they say anything at the time? Some of my best friends are Jewish... etc etc. Pretty much the gist of what I am hearing from JC or his zealots. It’s crap.
Any different to believing someone guilty of something because they don’t appeal to your political beliefs? Two sides of the same coin...
The bolded examples are not anti-semitic unless anti-semitism = opposing Israel, which those accusing Corbyn of anti-semitism continually claim is not a conflation they are trying to make. Meanwhile the first three are people he has shared platforms / meetings with in the context of pro-Palestinian campaigning. In other words 7 of his 11 examples are about Israel/Palestine.