Same mould as Isco. Flatters to deceive.
Does anybody else feel Paolo Dybala is overrated?
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A bit, for me. But I won’t pretend that I’ve seen enough of him. Apart from a few games (including recently against us) he didn’t look truly special when I’ve seen him. He definitely has fantastic technique, but I doubt that he’ll ever make a big step up to became a world class player and not a world class prospect. His shooting is excellent though.
He is the same age as Pogba and not that much younger than Neymar or Salah though... and he’s yet to make a name for himself.
He is the same age as Pogba and not that much younger than Neymar or Salah though... and he’s yet to make a name for himself.
How so?
He scored 22 league goals as a second striker/10 last season - and he contributes much besides his goals. He's got the the skills and showed he can use them productively. If he's not world class very few players are.
Haven't watched him enough to make a fair judgement, but anytime I have, especially against us he's looked a top player. Sometimes players like him actually need that step up to a bigger league to truly shine, but he really needs to make that step soon or he could end up another Cavani.
Such a shallow & inaccurate way to look at it. He's playing out of position to accommodate Ronaldo in a highly defensive team that's been underperforming pretty much all of this season.
@JPRouve, unless I'm mistaken in my interpretation of the role you're suggesting, it's basically like Del Piero in this one, right?
It could definitely work, but Del Piero produced his absolute best sandwiched between Inzaghi/Zidane or as a secondary striker to Trezeguet — and I think Dybala too works best through the middle or alongside a conventional #9 where he had the freedom to drop and influence the game without a lot of intrusion. You'll need a great degree of finesse to pull that 4-3-3 scheme off for a sustained period of time and it still won't be ideal for him as an individual because he'll be a more peripheral figure than through the spine of the team (that's always a concern while using someone with Dybala's characteristics as a makeshift inside forward or wide playmaker, or even Félix — who's also been suggested for a similar-ish role in other threads). The way I see it, any team should use him as a center forward or a trequarista or as a False-9 through the middle — anything else would be a misuse of his considerable talent (a lot like Totti in the past).
The emphasis on pressing and high defensive line leaves the central space too congested. That’s why tradition playmakers often move out wide today — take Iniesta or David Silva, or even Özil for that matter. Or deeper, or both.
Not overrated but criminally underused. He would thrive in a Klopp system performing the same role as Firmino this season.
I would take him as upgrade over Lingard.
I would take him as upgrade over Lingard.
When you watch Isco, for someone who isn't quite familiar, the little feints and tricks all look lovely. But 20 matches in, you realize how frustrating he is. Holds the ball for too long, dribbles when he should pass and ultimately, does not have a big impact on results. Same with Dybala. Does not deliver ultimately.
I know how much he scored. Most of those goals came in the first half of the season (10 goals in 6 games), after which he became, well, not average, but not really impressive either. Failed to produce on the biggest stage and got sent off against Madrid as well.
And yes, very few players are world class, that’s kind of the point of the whole concept.
Of course.
I had a look at the Dybala thread on Juventuz
The majority of them feel that he's underutilized by Allegri rather than lacking in talent.
He's a false 9/second striker who is forced into midfield because their actual midfield is so terrible bar Pjanic.
The majority of them feel that he's underutilized by Allegri rather than lacking in talent.
He's a false 9/second striker who is forced into midfield because their actual midfield is so terrible bar Pjanic.
Thanks, you are probably right about it not being optimal. Outside of Simeone, I don't see a manager that uses 2 strikers and manages a top team.
He got nearly 30 goals last season with 10 assists despite not being the main striker. This season is 1 anomaly in his time at Juve due to being stuck out wide.
No offence but I literally have no idea how you came to that conclusion.
Before Ronaldo he was much more involved in the play IMO. It’s like Barcelona where they all try and give messi the ball. They try and play everything through Ronaldo and players like Paulo suffer for it.
I thought he was magnificent in helping Juventus win against Lazio playing in a much deeper role, his composure is fantastic.
He’s a quality player.
I thought he was magnificent in helping Juventus win against Lazio playing in a much deeper role, his composure is fantastic.
He’s a quality player.
This season he's been quite bad but previously he's been one of the very best players in the world for a few years at least.
Tier 1
Ronaldo and Messi
Tier 2
Neymar, Mbappe, Griezmann, Hazard and others
Tier 3
Dybala and others
Is where I would rate him currently
Ronaldo and Messi
Tier 2
Neymar, Mbappe, Griezmann, Hazard and others
Tier 3
Dybala and others
Is where I would rate him currently
Different players. Isco is more of playmaker who likes to dictate tempo, while Dybala is far, far more potent near the goal with the track record to prove it
Who are these “and others” at tier 2?
Never wowed me even once now that I think about it, and I've been watching Juve a lot since Ronnie got there
I think he Dybala would be excellent in the role Ole has given lingard
2016-17 stats of dybala - what happened to him?
Ronaldo
Yes, but if that's the way to judge even some players that are commonly considered world class fall short. I mean, there aren't many playmakers with his stats around (if any apart from Messi and Neymar) and he's much more than his scorers.
That's this season isn't it?
You mean why 17/18 is so much better than 16/17? He was super streaky in 17/18. Lots of multiple goal games and amazing start.
http://calcio-seriea.net/dettagli_giocatore/2017/9821/
That’s obviously because their is a major emphasis on playing around Ronaldo.
He is overrated but that doesn't mean he is not a good player. He is just not as great as people try to make him to be. He is 25 now and also playing for the strongest team in Italy by a mile so expect much more from him
Yeh sorry I didn't word it well.
Stats wise I see a good season 15-16 & 17-18 but 16-17 was a bit different = 11 goals & 7 assists; 4 goals in 11 CL appearences
Emphasis on playing around Ronaldo does not stop individual talent from showing if you have it. Isco and Ascensio have all looked outstanding playing with a better Ronaldo than the Juve version. Hell even Mandzukic looks better off playing alongside him
It has in this case.
Maybe, I just haven't seen anything special about him as an individual player
The lack of teams that play a diamond is hurting players like him as teams prefer a 4-3-3 with wide attackers who can contribute centrally. Strictly speaking 10's aren't dead give that's where Messi plays but they are a dying breed cause of how most teams set up.
Extemely overrated.
Lovely player to watch, plays through the lines really well and scores some excellent goals from distance and overall his goalscoring record is really good for being more of a second striker.
Two problems. When Higuain left he probably thought he'd be Juve's main man, right age at 25 to be the main man in attack but signing Ronaldo for all his greatness means other good attacking players have to become mere mortals again and bow down to him so think he's suffered from that, similar to Bale of course.
3 Seria A goals this season. He scored 21 last year and 19 in his first Juve year in 15/16 so clearly there is an issue with who has to be on the end of the crosses/chances when Juve build up attacks.
Other problem for wider perception is he simply can't establish himself at international level. Frozen out as it was assumed him and Messi couldn't function in same 11 and Messi will return for Copa America so we'll see if Scaloni has some better ideas for an 11 with both in it.
Frustrating we won't see him as a key player in a WC side until he's 29. Was too young for 2014 and frozen out in 2018.
Two problems. When Higuain left he probably thought he'd be Juve's main man, right age at 25 to be the main man in attack but signing Ronaldo for all his greatness means other good attacking players have to become mere mortals again and bow down to him so think he's suffered from that, similar to Bale of course.
3 Seria A goals this season. He scored 21 last year and 19 in his first Juve year in 15/16 so clearly there is an issue with who has to be on the end of the crosses/chances when Juve build up attacks.
Other problem for wider perception is he simply can't establish himself at international level. Frozen out as it was assumed him and Messi couldn't function in same 11 and Messi will return for Copa America so we'll see if Scaloni has some better ideas for an 11 with both in it.
Frustrating we won't see him as a key player in a WC side until he's 29. Was too young for 2014 and frozen out in 2018.
Well, it's too bad goals and performances from previous seasons don't amount to much in the current one. Still didn't amount to much in Europe when he had that great season.
I would say he's done more than Hazard in Europe, and probably De Bruyne too. He's had roughly the same impact as Pogba in the Champions League.
Are those players overrated?
They are not totally obsolete but its not bollox either.
Managers are realizing that to win leagues and win cups you dont need the cute tippy tappy, slow "tekkers" type of "ballers"
One thing all of these players have in common,(James,Dybala, Ozil & Coutinho is that they are fairly "slow". And like to dilly dally on the ball.
The game is played at a faster pace than it was a few years and teams are more defensively drilled.
Also in the game of football there is a lot of turnover of play and counter attacking so if you have a player like Ozil or Coutinho who are fairly slow and like to dilly dally on the ball it gives the opposition the chance to get back in position and in defensive shape to defend a counter attack.
Jesus... the end is near it seems
