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Sarri being publicly humiliated by Arrizabalaga | Sarri benches Kepa

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This reflects badly on Sarri and Kepa. If Sarri intended to put Willy on for pens should have told Kepa in advance. Kepa should come off if Sarri wants to make a substitution. I think Kepa thought Sarri wanted him off for injury but it was actually tactical.
 

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Its embarrassing

quite excruciatingly so too

The cheek to defy a manager like that, absolutely outrageous imo

A combination of disappointing things occurring really,

The Keeper refusing to come off, Chelsea Leaders on the pitch doing nothing, Sarri not persevering with his decision

If I was Caballero I'd also be fuming, being denied his moment in the Final of a Cup competition
 

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Sarri is going to leave now one way or the other, that much is certain.

The problem for Chelsea though is: What manager in their right mind would want to go to a club like that after that shitshow. One thing is the club sacking managers for fun, but when you also consider that Abrhamovic is a bellend and the dressing room is toxic as feck with the players having all the power
Any man who wants to make a few million pounds, and there plenty of those about. You wouldn't take the job?
 

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This reflects badly on Sarri and Kepa. If Sarri intended to put Willy on for pens should have told Kepa in advance. Kepa should come off if Sarri wants to make a substitution. I think Kepa thought Sarri wanted him off for injury but it was actually tactical.
Sometimes a manager makes decisions during the game, you know? Not all subs are planned pre-game. Imo this reflects badly on Kepa only.
 

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This reflects badly on Sarri and Kepa. If Sarri intended to put Willy on for pens should have told Kepa in advance. Kepa should come off if Sarri wants to make a substitution. I think Kepa thought Sarri wanted him off for injury but it was actually tactical.
Sometimes a manager makes decisions during the game, you know? Not all subs are planned pre-game. Imo this reflects badly on Kepa only.
 

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This thing about youth since the 90s being less respectful of authorities have really reached a new level here :lol:

How can you ever manage a team or even win stuff, with idiots like this?!
 

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Even its just a misunderstanding, Kepa should follow the instruction and off, besides the other keeper has far better penalty record too.
 

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This reflects badly on Sarri and Kepa. If Sarri intended to put Willy on for pens should have told Kepa in advance. Kepa should come off if Sarri wants to make a substitution. I think Kepa thought Sarri wanted him off for injury but it was actually tactical.
The only way it reflects anything remotely bad on Sarri, is that he's got no authority/respect from some of his players.
 

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This took some digging around but have found the rule.
League cup hand book says substitutions will be made in accordance with Law 3 found in the laws of the game.
Laws of the game and FA rules are here
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-3---the-players

Under substitutions it states:
  • if a player who is to be replaced refuses to leave, play continues
So it seams that the Ref couldn't make him leave. Feels like it should be the other way around does it not.
A crazy rule that probably would never even need looking at if Chelsea #ForThePlayers did not exist, but if the ref could not caution him for not wanting to be subbed under team orders could he not have cautioned him for holding up the game? The clock is ticking just the same as if he took 90 seconds to execute a goal kick?
 

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The other players should have dragged him out of the pitch themselves
That’s the weirdest thing in all of this. The fact the Chelsea captain didn’t drag him off by his fecking ear. Whatever their thoughts about Sarri, the Chelsea players left a club legend like Zola looking like a mug too. I’m sure that’s the bit that pisses Chelsea fans off the most.
 
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That’s the weirdest thing in all of this. The fact the Chelsea captain didn’t drag him off by his fecking ear. Whatever their thoughts about Sarri, the fact the Chelsea players left a club legend like Zola looking like a mug too is outrageous. I’m sure that’s the bit that pisses Chelsea fans off the most.
Luiz was probably even telling him to not listen to Sarri and to stay on the pitch
 

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That’s the weirdest thing in all of this. The fact the Chelsea captain didn’t drag him off by his fecking ear. Whatever their thoughts about Sarri, the fact the Chelsea players left a club legend like Zola looking like a mug too is outrageous. I’m sure that’s the bit that pisses Chelsea fans off the most.
Say what you want about Young - but i'd back him to do something about it if the same thing happened with us.
 

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This took some digging around but have found the rule.
League cup hand book says substitutions will be made in accordance with Law 3 found in the laws of the game.
Laws of the game and FA rules are here
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-3---the-players

Under substitutions it states:
  • if a player who is to be replaced refuses to leave, play continues
So it seams that the Ref couldn't make him leave. Feels like it should be the other way around does it not.
Bizarre!. More drama queens would take advantage of this if they knew this was an actual rule!
 

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I'm pretty sure if it happened with us and someone refused to go off for Ole, there would be a pitch invasion to throw them off.
I was more thinking if it happened under Jose... but yeah under Ole I'd just send Phelan on to sort it out.

Azpilicueta said he was on the other side of the pitch so didn't know what was going on.... for 3 whole minutes...
 

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I certainly wouldn't say Sarri was humiliated, the only person who ends up looking like a prick is Arrizabalaga.

I also wouldn't say Sarri had his authority undermined - it's a team sport and I think it's more accurate to say that Arrizabalaga will have lost the trust of teammates and coaching staff. It's more akin to a toddler having a tantrum - the parents don't have their authority undermined, it's immature, it doesn't know any better.

Pretty pathetic anyway.
 

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So many posts about sending Kepa to the moon for eternity and the rest of it, when the reality is, if he's their best bet as a goalkeeper, they have to continue with him for the greater good of the club and the season.

Chelsea are in a precarious predicament on and off the pitch and they cannot afford to compound that by benching their best keeper - not least until the chance of a CL qualification spot is over, at least.

Cutting off your nose to spite you face helps no-one and we would be punishment for the team (if it costs them points) just as much as Kepa.

The looming transfer ban makes binning Kepa in the summer implausible, too.

And regarding Sarri, his objective must surely be to get that pay-off; it's a win-win for him whatever happens between now and the end of the season: Chelsea do poorly enough, he is absolved of all blame, keeps his reputation intact and gets a massive compensation package; Chelsea do well, he's lionised for doing well under circumstances that make his job almost untenable.
 

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So many posts about sending Kepa to the moon for eternity and the rest of it, when the reality is, if he's their best bet as a goalkeeper, they have to continue with him for the greater good of the club and the season.

Chelsea are in a precarious predicament on and off the pitch and they cannot afford to compound that by benching their best keeper - not least until the chance of a CL qualification spot is over, at least.

Cutting off your nose to spite you face helps no-one and we would be punishment for the team (if it costs them points) just as much as Kepa.

The looming transfer ban makes binning Kepa in the summer implausible, too.

And regarding Sarri, his objective must surely be to get that pay-off; it's a win-win for him whatever happens between now and the end of the season: Chelsea do poorly enough, he is absolved of all blame, keeps his reputation intact and gets a massive compensation package; Chelsea do well, he's lionised for doing well under circumstances that make his job almost untenable.
Maybe that is what he all processed when he made his U-turn last night :lol:
 

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So many posts about sending Kepa to the moon for eternity and the rest of it, when the reality is, if he's their best bet as a goalkeeper, they have to continue with him for the greater good of the club and the season.

Chelsea are in a precarious predicament on and off the pitch and they cannot afford to compound that by benching their best keeper - not least until the chance of a CL qualification spot is over, at least.

Cutting off your nose to spite you face helps no-one and we would be punishment for the team (if it costs them points) just as much as Kepa.

The looming transfer ban makes binning Kepa in the summer implausible, too.

And regarding Sarri, his objective must surely be to get that pay-off; it's a win-win for him whatever happens between now and the end of the season: Chelsea do poorly enough, he is absolved of all blame, keeps his reputation intact and gets a massive compensation package; Chelsea do well, he's lionised for doing well under circumstances that make his job almost untenable.
Yeah, but Kepa is a bit shit, so not much would change with a slightly lesser keeper like Caballero. If he has the right to not listen to the coach, then so can the other players, and won't see the need of following Sarri's instructions.

He must be put to reserves for at least a few weeks, and give a public apology. Otherwise, things will turn out to get ugly very fast.

There are maybe some exceptions for these cases, but you don't make exemptions for as an average a keeper as can exist.
 

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So many posts about sending Kepa to the moon for eternity and the rest of it, when the reality is, if he's their best bet as a goalkeeper, they have to continue with him for the greater good of the club and the season.

Chelsea are in a precarious predicament on and off the pitch and they cannot afford to compound that by benching their best keeper - not least until the chance of a CL qualification spot is over, at least.

Cutting off your nose to spite you face helps no-one and we would be punishment for the team (if it costs them points) just as much as Kepa.

The looming transfer ban makes binning Kepa in the summer implausible, too.

And regarding Sarri, his objective must surely be to get that pay-off; it's a win-win for him whatever happens between now and the end of the season: Chelsea do poorly enough, he is absolved of all blame, keeps his reputation intact and gets a massive compensation package; Chelsea do well, he's lionised for doing well under circumstances that make his job almost untenable.
Spot on. Feel for him though - what happened last night was a disgrace.

We all talk about how United players downed tools etc but they had to deal with a narcissistic cnut - Chelsea players might not get Sarri etc etc but he’s hardly the type of character to deserve that level of insubordination.

Not to mention for it to be from Kepa from all people - looks like butter wouldn’t melt.
 

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Azpilicueta is a fraud of a captain. Pretending like it was none of his business.
 

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It would have been great if they won it and they both came out afterwards and claimed it as a massive mind game that destroyed City but in reality they both come out of this looking bad.

Whatever they say now both pundits and fans have made their mind up over what has occurred and it won't really change.
 

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I've seen players refusing to come on, but I haven't seen players refusing to come off. So good work Kepa for showing us that even this can happen. Such a young player, already making history. It's also interesting to see the hole in the rules, as I'd expect the referee to have the authority to do something about this.

This is what Chelsea get for the way the club's been set up. I don't expect them to transfer Kepa, he's too expensive and too young for that, they won't give up on him just because of this. He should be benched for a long time though, and handed a hefty fine, regardless of whether Sarri stays or not. I'd say it's time for the club to make a statement by punishing Kepa severely, but I don't think it will happen. It's a club run by players, it's the chosen path there and I don't see it changing, even more so now with the transfer ban.

It's a shame Sarri went there. I imagine he had some options on the market after his spell with Napoli, and of all the clubs in the world he chooses the one where it's least likely that the players will support him. I just hope he gets a big payday when they sack him. No matter if he is managing them poorly or not, he doesn't deserve this.
 

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What's the official contingency plan for this though? Some cnut refusing to be subbed off can happen to anyone. His teammates dragging him off? Stewards forcing him off? Kidnap his wife/parents and put them on the phone to him?
 

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So many posts about sending Kepa to the moon for eternity and the rest of it, when the reality is, if he's their best bet as a goalkeeper, they have to continue with him for the greater good of the club and the season.

Chelsea are in a precarious predicament on and off the pitch and they cannot afford to compound that by benching their best keeper - not least until the chance of a CL qualification spot is over, at least.

Cutting off your nose to spite you face helps no-one and we would be punishment for the team (if it costs them points) just as much as Kepa.

The looming transfer ban makes binning Kepa in the summer implausible, too.

And regarding Sarri, his objective must surely be to get that pay-off; it's a win-win for him whatever happens between now and the end of the season: Chelsea do poorly enough, he is absolved of all blame, keeps his reputation intact and gets a massive compensation package; Chelsea do well, he's lionised for doing well under circumstances that make his job almost untenable.
Kepa hasn't really covered himself with glory this year. So far he looks as expandable as Sarri is.
 

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What's the official contingency plan for this though? Some cnut refusing to be subbed off can happen to anyone. His teammates dragging him off? Stewards forcing him off? Kidnap his wife/parents and put them on the phone to him?
Sending off I guess
 

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What's the official contingency plan for this though? Some cnut refusing to be subbed off can happen to anyone. His teammates dragging him off? Stewards forcing him off? Kidnap his wife/parents and put them on the phone to him?
Nah, the rules say that if player refuse to leave the pitch, the play continues.

I believe that something has changed football we know. It's going to happen more and more often, now.
 

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Sarri is probably gone anyway so why give a shit if they get CL football or not, bench the idiot.
 

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Sending off I guess
Nah, the rules say that if player refuse to leave the pitch, the play continues.

I believe that something has changed football we know. It's going to happen more and more often, now.
Isn't this wrong? What if the said cnut is willing to sabotage his whole team not minding the consquences despite the manager, coaching staff and teammates wanting him gone? I'd say stewards should be authorised to chase them down like pitch invaders.
EDIT: Hope I gave someone an amazing gif idea, stewards chasing Kepa around, do it @GifLord