What would such admissible evidence be in your view?
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Before I respond to this, can you please confirm if you think a) I am saying there is no evidence or b) I am saying this particular example quoted by rooster is not admissible?
Just so I know if I am wasting my time or not.
Neutral court would be too insulting to Pakistan's own courts. I wouldn't even expect any cooperation with India. Like I said, it's very unlikely a guy with such close links to terrorists has been clean for 20 plus years. Your agencies should investigate on their own and not rely on Indian evidence. Frame it like you are doing it for Pakistan's own good, not India. Even a good faith attempt to put him away along with stronger statements by the government would make a huge impact imo.
I don't understand why your government officials are spending so much diplomatic capital defending this guy.
"when you tried your patented surgical striker" and "got your pilot captured". Happened on two different days. The capture did not happen during the strike on JeM camps in Pakistan.
The IAF pilot was captured when IAF was trying to shoo away the Pakistan Air Force planes that had come to attack India's military installations.
I don't want to discuss which part of the above was justified or not. Just want correct what seemed factually incorrect to me.
If Indian soldiers are abusing, killing, raping local Kashmiri's Pakistan should make it an international issue through the UN, media, NGO's or other such avenues. Terrorism is never the answer. It has actually made it worse for the local Kashmiri's with the region now suffering from an escalation in military personnel and visitor numbers non-existent. It is even drowning out any of their legitimate concerns.
The reason why I suggested neutral courts is that I dont think our agencies have any agenda to stop him as it's considered a necessary evil similar to India with balochistan. That wont change until both countries come to an agreement and stop the proxy war.
Regarding the rest, given how the peace gesture of releasing the pilot is seen, I am not even sure our government would even want to persecute the guy and see how its sold.
I know hence using then.
We targeted empty spaces next to their military installations.
Sultan Pakistan has made it an international issue over the last sixty years which India has resisted. We both know UN is powerless.
If a local populace is abused they will turn to whatever Avenue is available to them. You call it terrorism, they call it freedom fighters.
Edit- and there is no if about it. This has been happening for a long time.
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Hey buddy! Hope all is well.
I personally think the Pakistan government is too concerned about the consequences if he was caught and tried. The devastation that would be caused by his followers would likely be severe. Terrorism would go up many folds when Pakistan have just about put a lid on the matters. I am not saying this is right, just my thoughts.
After many decades without a solution and terrorism making matters worse surely the time has now come for a different approach?
A sizeable percentage of people in Pakistan still feel Kashmir (Indian side) belongs to Pakistan and this needs to be eradicated and let Indian Kashmiri's engage in their own dialogue and struggles. Everyone knows India or Pakistan will not concede any land. Get over it and let the people of the Valley live in peace.
In that case, phone calls made by the terrorist, bank accounts, if somebody was captured alive his statements. Like I am not denying he isnt a terrorist or he didnt do it, was just commenting on that statement.
As a capitalist, I wonder if the best course of action for India might be to follow the Israel model and let wealthy real estate developers buy and build into the disputed land. A decade later, the current residents can't afford to live there, poverty and rising cost of living will drive them away and without a friendly habitat, the terrorists won't sympathetic friends to harbour them.
Hey, Sults! Yup all well.
Yeah I realise it's a tricky situation they find themselves in but I do feel like it will have to be done eventually if things are to change for the better. Even a few sterner statements from officials would be a good start in trying to change the narrative around him and weaken the standing of his supporters.
It has but for that you need both countries to cooperate. Pakistan can not solve an issue which is an Indian one, we have so much shit already to solve.
The rest I agree with, the fact that both our countries sacrifice and have sacrificed so much of our budgets to engage in this "war" is extremely stupid given the state of the people. Half of the army budget going to education and health care would solve a lot of problems.
How about doing the right thing and just give them self determination (the same goes for the Pakistani side).
Can't believe this is even a suggestion
Come on, bro! That's a sad and unfortunate line of thinking. You just don't trample on the weak and unfortunate for short term gain. Look for another solution to peace.
It is quite interesting though that India hasn’t gone down the settlement route that we see in the West Bank, Tibet, Western Sahara and North Cyprus. Has discussion of it ever been a feature of Indian discourse on Kashmir?
Plebiscite leads you to the kind of mess that is Brexit because people are no strangers to chopping their noses to spite their faces.How about doing the right thing and just give them self determination (the same goes for the Pakistani side).
Can't believe this is even a suggestion
If that piece of land votes to be independent, what do you think their future is going to be, landlocked between India who will hate them on one side, an expansionist minded China, with a registry of muslims in their own country on another side and a feeble democracy in Pakistan on the third? How is that territory, already a porous breeding ground for terrorism not turn into anther terror state like ISIS?
They can't. I guess sthat is why Jammu Kashmir me as given article 370, 35a etc..
Thanks!
Constitutionally not permitted.
Syria and Iraq are completely different to Kashmir in terms of people and circumstances. If the local people were not brutalised I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be breeding ground for terrorism. A stable Kashmir would be economically and socially beneficial for all of the surrounding countries.
So let me get this straight you were being serious with your suggestion and you see nothing morally wrong with it?
Its near impossible to have self determination in the state. And that's without getting into the issue of Kashmiri Pandits and to what extent the demographics of POK has changed.How about doing the right thing and just give them self determination (the same goes for the Pakistani side).
Can't believe this is even a suggestion
It probably is but a much better idea than what he was proposing.
No, because the people of Kashmir haven't been seen as aliens. This sentiment might change if there current right winged agenda government is allowed to continue.
Don't agree with him on the mechanics of how it would work but I am not really against opening the state of jammu and kashmir to rest of India and making the LoC as the international border.
Thanks. I’m guessing any moves to amend would be enough to spark something akin to a major intifada up there? Is it a popular BJP talking point?
Power vacuum is power vacuum, the history of the world has shown that those sorts of vacuums don't usually tend to get filled by thriving democracies but by terrorism and further oppression.
The people of Syria claimed they were oppressed by Assad, the people of Libya claimed they were oppressed by Gaddafi and the people of Iraq claimed they were oppressed by Saddam. Each state turned to chaos once the power was removed.
To hope for anything else here is not learning from history.
Will almost certainly be part of the BJP agenda if reelected.
Funny you should ask because a challenge yo Art.35 is currently pending in the Supreme Court.
Yes removing article 370 is a major BJP talking point but near impossible to achieve.
What if they don't want to move? Compulsory acquisition on a large scale would only lead to more conflict in the state
You make them an offer and keep increasing it, everybody has a price and considering the poverty level, these aren't people who can afford to turn down money. If the Indian government has to offer tax concessions to developers, they can do it much cheaper than the military cost of war.
The articles in question - 370 and 35 - have been challenged before and been upheld by the court each time. But there are no guarantees about the current court.
I would expect nothing less than a return to 90s militancy if they were overturned.
India has any rights in Kashimr based only on the accession signed by its ex-king, that accession covers only defence, foreign affairs, and communications, and that accession was formalised into our constitution with article 370. I'm not a lawyer but I don't see how we have any claim on Kashmir if we get rid of 370 (which contains within it the provision for the special status of Kashmiri permanent residents).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_370_of_the_Constitution_of_India#Purpose
Claimed?
do you know anything about the likes of Assad and Saddam?And its not about removing power it's about the transfer of it.
Nothing wrong with opening up the state but you have to create favourable conditions so people want to move there, that starts with improving the economy of Kashmir itself and its people so they can build it up.
Sending biharis there as we speak
Jokes aside, people will move as long as they feel their life is not at stake and economically it is better than staying in the home state. I have seen the conditions in which people live in Mumbai, so don't see why it would be a problem anywhere else.
There isn't much economic activity in J&K, and it has a high local unemployment rate, so there is no reason for people to migrate there.Sending biharis there as we speak
Jokes aside, people will move as long as they feel their life is not at stake and economically it is better than staying in the home state. I have seen the conditions in which people live in Mumbai, so don't see why it would be a problem anywhere else.
Kashmir has a lot of potential in terms of tourism on both sides, hopefully one day it can be realised.Sending biharis there as we speak
Jokes aside, people will move as long as they feel their life is not at stake and economically it is better than staying in the home state. I have seen the conditions in which people live in Mumbai, so don't see why it would be a problem anywhere else.
That's the point regarding opening up the State.
Even if you start with tourism and build it up, it will be progress from the current situation.
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