India vs Pakistan thread

[MJJ]

Actually, the Govt. hasn't said that we killed x number of terrorists. It's just media saying we killed these many people based on their "sources".

And those sources are your government people giving details anonymously. It's a disgraceful way to present facts but the general public laps it up with zero responsibility for false statements.

 

[MJJ]

You terrorist sympathizers are equally hilarious.

1) Abhinandan reportedly fired a R 23 missile apparently which is an air-to-air missile employed in a dogfight. Two things to understand here - one is missile locking technology whereby the missile latches onto a heat signature of an aircraft and fires. The other is BVR whereby planes at a distance of say, 200 km can be targeted via radar. I doubt BVR comes into play in Abhinandan's case because the F16 was right before his nose.

The Pakistan F16s have BVR because it was a feature provided them thanks to America's generosity in thinking they were being used to take out the Taliban.

Anyway, semantics aside, he is a talented pilot whether he used BVR or not, no doubts. By manual locking, I was referring to the fact that from the cockpit, he wouldn't have the 360 degree view that some aircraft like Rafale, say have. He was encumbered by the limitations.

2) Agreed about Brahmos. It was a slip of the tongue as I was specifically thinking about it when I wrote it. Regardless, missile power will indeed come into play if we take it to the next step.

3) We upgraded the Mig-29s, didn't upgrade to Mig 29s. I think my sentence construction was not clear.

Saying it's BS by a terrorist supporter without a response has no effect. Now, go lick Hafiz Saeed's rear end for all I care.

No matter how much you shout there is no proof for f16 crash, just like no proof for 300 terrorist dead so you can engage in your fantasies.

Secondly, and I know this is very unlikely for you modi bakhts but wanna provide proof of him being a terrorist supporter.

 

[MJJ]

Resorted to petty insults and said just saying "BS" *without a proper response* has no effect on the validity of his arguments. He was able to nitpick over minor technological details, that's all.

Hilarious, the terrorist sympathizers can't understand English. *insert green smileys here*.

Now if you excuse me, I have better things to do with my time. Safe to say you lot should be under suspicion whenever you travel abroad, though it probably won't happen in these times.

@Sultan how is repeatedly calling others terrorist sympathisers part of a civil debate? Km would have banned a Pakistani poster for doing the same by now.

 

[anant]

And as I am saying regarding two, why should we trust ashok Swains tweet when everything else posted by India has been proven to be false including detailed analysis? Not to mention the way your government has conducted itself like a monkey at a circus howling through the media.

As for 1) according to the same general you guys turned back and dropped the payload hastily once you saw our airforce which should account for the frater.

If we're not to trust Ashok Swain, then the article you posted is BS as it is largely based on his tweet (the location part)

And as far as 1) is concerned, lets assume the major is saying the truth that we ran away, that still will not explain why the crater created by the bomb is like 5m in radius.

P.S. editing the previous post as I wrote 1000km instead of 5m (had 1000kg on my mind while typing it)

 

[snk123]

You lot have Masood Azhar, Hafiz Saeed and had Bin Laden supplied with porn videos in a hideyhole near your military base, and you are trolling us over having Arnab fecking Goswami? Hilarious.

Agreed! Kulbushan too in case you forgot. No wonder he resembles Johnny Sins.

 

[MJJ]

If we're not to trust Ashok Swain, then the article you posted is BS as it is largely based on his tweet (the location part)

And as far as 1) is concerned, lets assume the major is saying the truth that we ran away, that still will not explain why the crater created by the bomb is like 5m in radius.

P.S. editing the previous post as I wrote 1000km instead of 5m (had 1000kg on my mind while typing it)

You would like that wouldn't you the article clearly shows that another one of the lies peddled by your government. At this point have they reported anything correctly?

Rather than trying to defend them, think why they are employing this strategy but that will involve looking beyond Pakistan as a boogie man.

 

[MJJ]

Can't read?

1. I didn't backtrack on saying manual locking was involved. BVR was likely not used.

2. Backtracked on Brahmos, yes.

3. No backtracking on Mig 29s. We have upgraded them. Used to instead of the, that's all.

Jeez, are you dyslexic? Nobody shitting the bed here by some jihadi poster.



Confirmed you can't read. Where did I say you lot used BVR? I said your jets had BVR capabilities in general as a bit of info and why they were provided with it by America. Stop talking rubbish.

First let your beggar nation earn some respectability in the world before you come to troll. You lot have Masood Azhar, Hafiz Saeed and had Bin Laden supplied with porn videos in a hideyhole near your military base, and you are trolling us over having Arnab fecking Goswami? Hilarious.

I mean you guys also have modi and I am happy atleast one Indian here has admitted to listening to arnab.

Given the state of your posts, you would be very high up my list of suspects.

 

[KM]

@Sultan how is repeatedly calling others terrorist sympathisers part of a civil debate? Km would have banned a Pakistani poster for doing the same by now.

 

[Kapardin]

No matter how much you shout there is no proof for f16 crash, just like no proof for 300 terrorist dead so you can engage in your fantasies.

Secondly, and I know this is very unlikely for you modi bakhts but wanna provide proof of him being a terrorist supporter.

Firstly, I never used the number 300.

Secondly, the government has submitted a dossier to Pakistan and considering that Pakistan has zero credibility in any way whatsoever, I prefer to wait for the next step the government takes.

World nations like Germany have openly mentioned Pakistan harbours terror camps and they wouldn't do so if India hadn't briefed them. The dossier has also been submitted to Pakistan, though you are unlikely to do anything about JeM. So, I suggest you go back to pasting ABP News.

Agreed! Kulbushan too in case you forgot. No wonder he resembles Johnny Sins.

Yeah, Kulbhushan is a wanted global terrorist who killed a lot of people like Osama. Nice comparison. Wait for ICJ.

I mean you guys also have modi and I am happy atleast one Indian here has admitted to listening to arnab. Given the state of your posts, you would be very high up my list of suspects.

How is saying Arnab being in India is equivalent to saying I'm a fan of him? Are you even literate?

 

[anant]

And those sources are your government people giving details anonymously. It's a disgraceful way to present facts but the general public laps it up with zero responsibility for false statements.

Decide on one narrative. You and snk123 have been saying that its all to propagate nationalist agenda. (And honestly, I do agree with you here. Had we not had elections this year, BJP wouldnt have taken this route in response to Pulwana)
If the sources are indeed from the government, it makes no sense to not announce it publicly. Announcing to the press that we killed 300people will be greeted positively and that would get them more votes!

If you have a narrative, stick to it rather than just assuming Pak is right on every aspect and we are wrong everywhere. I'm pretty sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[roonster09]

Laughing at the post or the fact that he mentioned you without tagging?

 

[MJJ]

Firstly, I never used the number 300.

Secondly, the government has submitted a dossier to Pakistan and considering that Pakistan has zero credibility in any way whatsoever, I prefer to wait for the next step the government takes.

World nations like Germany have openly mentioned Pakistan harbours terror camps and they wouldn't do so if India hadn't briefed them. The dossier has also been submitted to Pakistan, though you are unlikely to do anything about JeM. So, I suggest you go back to pasting ABP News.



Yeah, Kulbhushan is a wanted global terrorist who killed a lot of people like Osama. Nice comparison. Wait for ICJ.



How is saying Arnab being in India is equivalent to saying I'm a fan of him? Are you even literate?

I can't be arsed to go over your posts to find the exact number quoted by you, the f16 news turned out to be false too and denying a pilot was captured. So what's left?

I mean your posts say enough.

I am still sore about Wenger, I need more Pakistani posters here to handle the horde

 

[KM]

Laughing at the post or the fact that he mentioned you without tagging?

He's my personal stalker. Loves to mention me all the time. Poor lad. I'm sitting rent free in his head.

 

[Aboutreika18]

Not sure why Kiran's a mod, tbh. There are a number of much smarter and more polite Indians on here who could cover the time zone.

 

[KM]

I can't be arsed to go over your posts to find the exact number quoted by you, the f16 news turned out to be false too and denying a pilot was captured. So what's left?

I mean your posts say enough.



I am still sore about Wenger, I need more Pakistani posters here to handle the horde

I've banned more Indian posters here than Pakistanis for what's it's worth. But meh once an agenda is set I can't ever change the narrative.

 

[MJJ]

Decide on one narrative. You and snk123 have been saying that its all to propagate nationalist agenda. (And honestly, I do agree with you here. Had we not had elections this year, BJP wouldnt have taken this route in response to Pulwana)
If the sources are indeed from the government, it makes no sense to not announce it publicly. Announcing to the press that we killed 300people will be greeted positively and that would get them more votes!

If you have a narrative, stick to it rather than just assuming Pak is right on every aspect and we are wrong everywhere. I'm pretty sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Not really, why would a government announce 300 when they know its false? Even modi isnt dumb enough to do that while knowing that the figure is false. That's why they rely on the media to get the public to go into a frenzy. Do you see how each Indian on this page is denying the 300 figure? Not that the initial information released was false?

The general public has Pakistan as a boogie man, you guys have the media. The media did this, the media did that.

 

[KM]

Not sure why Kiran's a mod, tbh. There are a number of much smarter and more polite Indians on here who could cover the time zone.

You should write a strongly worded PM to Niall.

 

[shamans]

I see India in partical is very obsessed with Hafiz Saeed. From what I know there is extremely loose evidence that he did infact cary out the attacks or is even actively involved.

Could someone correct me? I read online and apart from media speculation couldn't find a single source and he seems to deny 2008 involvement.

More so, what the point in getting him. If the state sponsored terrorism claim is true, would getting/killing one Hafiz Saeed achieve much? What's the motive here?

I dont like the double standards shown here. Pakistan, India, Saudi Arabia and even United states all involved in state sponsored terrorism either directly or through a proxy. Singling out/asking Pakistan to simple "stop" wont work. Furthermore, you can't just blame Pakistan for Pulwama.

I think if India wants to be a super power it's time to mature and leave behind these antics. Solve the Kashmir issue once and for all. Hold a plebiscite there or something but surely Kashmir is not worth all of this.

 

[MJJ]

I've banned more Indian posters here than Pakistanis for what's it's worth. But meh once an agenda is set I can't ever change the narrative.

So please explain as a mod why is a poster repeatedly allowed to call others terrorist sympathisers?

Not sure why Kiran's a mod, tbh. There are a number of much smarter and more polite Indians on here who could cover the time zone.

Ass licking goes a long way.

 

[Kapardin]

I can't be arsed to go over your posts to find the exact number quoted by you, the f16 news turned out to be false too and denying a pilot was captured. So what's left?

I mean your posts say enough.

You can't be arsed to read but you would keep misquoting me or making stupid comments.

Yeah, that's quite logical. Bye.

 

[Charlie Foley]

Hilarious, the terrorist sympathizers can't understand English. *insert green smileys here*.

Now if you excuse me, I have better things to do with my time. Safe to say you lot should be under suspicion whenever you travel abroad, though it probably won't happen in these times.

Jeez, are you dyslexic? Nobody shitting the bed here by some jihadi poster.

First let your beggar nation earn some respectability in the world

What the feck

 

[MJJ]

You can't be arsed to read but you would keep misquoting me or making stupid comments.

Yeah, that's quite logical. Bye.

how did I misquote you?

And thanks, would be a relief not to read your posts here.

 

[MJJ]

What the feck

And the neutral mod here thinks I have an agenda for him letting that go on

 

[Kapardin]

And the neutral mod here thinks I have an agenda for him letting that go on

1) Claimed I said we can attack Japan with Rafale.

2) Claimed I am a fan of Arnab.

3) 300.

Calling out your bullshit is easy.

 

[anant]

You would like that wouldn't you the article clearly shows that another one of the lies peddled by your government. At this point have they reported anything correctly?

Rather than trying to defend them, think why they are employing this strategy but that will involve looking beyond Pakistan as a boogie man.

What the absolute feck are you on about. I assumed the article to be true 100% and Indian govt to be wrong 100% (which lets be honest wont be the case)

Why dont you answer the obvious loopholes in the article. The article uses Ashok Swain's tweet as a base while making an argument and uses it again in the conclusion. So, there can be just 2 possibilities here:
a. The article is true. This would imply that Indian govt falsely claimed that the operation was a success, Pak knows the location of JeM camp and is doing nothing and the radius of blast from a 1000kg bomb is 5m
b. The article is false. This would imply that you're just posting BS here.

Choose now.

You just can't have it both ways. The article literally says (independent research) that SPICE 2000 was used. I'm a noob in missiles and all, but everyone knows the blast radius is going to be bigger. Feck a few grenades would create a crater that big. The article literally uses Ashok Swain's tweet in which he claimed that the house on top is JeM camp to verify the location of the blast.

 

[MJJ]

1) Claimed I said we can attack Japan with Rafale.

2) Claimed I am a fan of Arnab.

3) 300.

Calling out your building is easy.

Find me proof for 3

 

[roonster09]

Find me proof for 3

So you accepted you misquoted him on point 1 and 2?

 

[Kapardin]

Find me proof for 3

Yeesh, you really are thick, aren't you? I said I never claimed that figure.

Need to spell out everything I guess.

 

[SwansonsTache]

Feck me the Al-Qaida chatbot is active today.

 

[MJJ]

What the absolute feck are you on about. I assumed the article to be true 100% and Indian govt to be wrong 100% (which lets be honest wont be the case)

Why dont you answer the obvious loopholes in the article. The article uses Ashok Swain's tweet as a base while making an argument and uses it again in the conclusion. So, there can be just 2 possibilities here:
a. The article is true. This would imply that Indian govt falsely claimed that the operation was a success, Pak knows the location of JeM camp and is doing nothing and the radius of blast from a 1000kg bomb is 5m
b. The article is false. This would imply that you're just posting BS here.

Choose now.

You just can't have it both ways. The article literally says (independent research) that SPICE 2000 was used. I'm a noob in missiles and all, but everyone knows the blast radius is going to be bigger. Feck a few grenades would create a crater that big. The article literally uses Ashok Swain's tweet in which he claimed that the house on top is JeM camp to verify the location of the blast.

The article is from a neutral source and has given the proof used behind all of its reasoning. You can read the article and decide which part you agree with and which you dont. It's not either it's completely correct or false. I posted the article to show pictures of the area affected and show that there were no 300 bodies lying around.

 

[MJJ]

Yeesh, you really are thick, aren't you? I said I never claimed that figure.

Need to spell out everything I guess.

When did I accuse you of saying it?

 

[anant]

Not really, why would a government announce 300 when they know its false? Even modi isnt dumb enough to do that while knowing that the figure is false. That's why they rely on the media to get the public to go into a frenzy. Do you see how each Indian on this page is denying the 300 figure? Not that the initial information released was false?

The general public has Pakistan as a boogie man, you guys have the media. The media did this, the media did that.

If you have any links please post where the government, MEA, or anyone said we killed 300 people. Like I said, I dont give a feck what news channels are saying unless it has announced by either PM, Ministry of Defence or Ministry of External Affairs.

We never released any number, not once!

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

As a capitalist, I wonder if the best course of action for India might be to follow the Israel model and let wealthy real estate developers buy and build into the disputed land. A decade later, the current residents can't afford to live there, poverty and rising cost of living will drive them away and without a friendly habitat, the terrorists won't sympathetic friends to harbour them.

Yeah because that has worked out so well for Israel-Palestine relations

 

[MJJ]

If you have any links please post where the government, MEA, or anyone said we killed 300 people. Like I said, I dont give a feck what news channels are saying unless it has announced by either PM, Ministry of Defence or Ministry of External Affairs.

We never released any number, not once!

If the numbers was wrong why did none of those departments contradict the media? Like I said it's a very easy strategy, release the number to the media anonymously, number proves to be false, dont take any responsibility.

 

[Kapardin]

When did I accuse you of saying it?

Then why ask me for proof?

Good lord