I hope we have already made the decision but are just holding off making it official. We need to start planning for the summer now with the view of having him in charge next season. That means identifying the transfer targets and deciding who to offload. It looks like Ole is involved in identifying targets and decisions on the squad already (e.g. contract renewals, Valencia leaving, etc.) so I think Utd's board has already started to plan for having him in charge. I'd want the same if we were hiring someone else.
What would convince you that Ole should be made permanent manager?
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Im confident that is exactly what's going on behind closed doors. Ole told them who needs to leave and what we should buy
Ole has already convinced me that he deserves to get the job. At the same time, I don't think that 4-5 months can provide enough evidence that he can compete for big trophies next season.
I still think that Zidane would be a better option long term but you can't argue with Ole's work so far, so he gets the job and deservedly so.
The only drawback I can see from appointing him is that it wouldn't be easy to fire him if things do not go really well. We will have to show a lot of patience and this means that even if we do not compete next season, we'll have to give him at least another season after that. By that point City/Liverpool might have added another 1-2 PL titles. If things go well though, Ole will be our very own Zidane/Guardiola.
I still think that Zidane would be a better option long term but you can't argue with Ole's work so far, so he gets the job and deservedly so.
The only drawback I can see from appointing him is that it wouldn't be easy to fire him if things do not go really well. We will have to show a lot of patience and this means that even if we do not compete next season, we'll have to give him at least another season after that. By that point City/Liverpool might have added another 1-2 PL titles. If things go well though, Ole will be our very own Zidane/Guardiola.
This is the caveat that worries me a little. We'd be obliged to stick by him for a couple of seasons due to his stature at the club. Its fine in theory but we'd be 8 years post SAF and still not have any clear direction.
Obviously best case scenario is what we are seeing is his real impact on the team which can be sustained and he builds a good legacy here.
You've seen all the 15 games?! Fair play man, that's some dedication.
Let me clarify; on the TV
Edit: point was that there were times I'd rather sleep than stay up in the wee hours and watch United before.
For me he’s earnt the right to be given a full season. If he flops after that so be it, but it would be silly to not give him a chance and risk going with an outsider. Let him lose the role on the back of his own failings (hopefully it would never come to that).
I’d sign him on a rolling contract to begin with and not give him a three year contract.
I’d sign him on a rolling contract to begin with and not give him a three year contract.
Why do you think Zidane is the better option long term?
Surely he's a bigger gamble at this moment in time since we are already seeing what ole can do with this squad, which isn't even his squad.
Zidane be a massive gamble in my eyes. He had great success at Madrid, but he walked into a different team and set up.............and nothing about him screams long term either.
Zidane is much better positioned to deal with big personalities and stars in the dressing room when things get difficult. He's much more experienced at the top level. Ole is a club legend but that might not be enough after the first 6-9 months when the honeymoon period is over.
@crossy1686 first real test.
Oh! That's not a top red then. Leave the forum immediatelyLet me clarify; on the TV
Edit: point was that there were times I'd rather sleep than stay up in the wee hours and watch United before.
Yep. I think the job is his if he doesn't implode between now and the end of the season but due dilligence should see us give him the time to do just that, just in case. We're basing this decision on a very small sample size of games already, there's no need to make that sample size smaller by bringing the decision forward unnecessarily.
The structural reform we're on about should ideally also be in place before the new manager is announced.
We said that about Jose and he had loads of EPL experience.
Manage/coach Utd is more than just being experienced at the top level. It's knowing about the club,the history,the city and the expectations.
Zidane would only be a short term appointment and I'm not sure he would actually give a flying feck about Utd
You mean Zidane is better positioned to jump ship and not care too much about what he leaves behind when things get difficult?
He's looking increasingly likely to land the job and if he maintains the current form until the end of the season then he deserves a shot. The club should make sure they don't get swayed by recent results and should have plans in place. For me it's Ole or Poch, and Poch won't be easy to get out of Tottenham even if he tells Levy he wants to join us.
By all accounts the players and squad are behind him as evident on the pitch. Phelan being there too will be a big help to him. They've instilled the style of play we want, they both understand the club and what it means to represent United.
I would be keen for us to sort out the DoF position swiftly of which all news seems to have gone quiet. I am sure we have been planning for the summer transfer window for some time now, but arguably without any real direction yet again which is a concern.
By all accounts the players and squad are behind him as evident on the pitch. Phelan being there too will be a big help to him. They've instilled the style of play we want, they both understand the club and what it means to represent United.
I would be keen for us to sort out the DoF position swiftly of which all news seems to have gone quiet. I am sure we have been planning for the summer transfer window for some time now, but arguably without any real direction yet again which is a concern.
Honestly, you couldn't make it up could you? I'm just glad that the people who have these batshit viewpoints don't get a say in appointing our next manager.
This is what I said in December, need a bit of a miracle to go very deep in the CL, but 3rd is still very doable with a bit of luck.
To be honest at this point I want him to get the job and think we'd be a bit mad to go for anyone else, unless there's a sudden turn in form. Still wouldn't announce it till right at the end of the season.
I know and wrote on here already before Ole was appointed that a guy close to the club could be the "saviour", similarly to how inexperienced managers like Zidane and Guardiola were for Real and Barca respectively. Time will tell whether Ole is going to be like them. He's been impeccable so far and fully deserves to be appointed.
Just for the heck of it since I am already convinced. To answer the question - beat PSG and go to the next round while United nurses 11 injuries.
He’s already passed the test with flying colours for me. This summer is so important though. This is the first time since Fergie that we have been in genuine title winning form. It’s obviously too late to win but If we can take this momentum into next season with some astute signings I think we could challenge again and hopefully start to at least look threatening in the CL. If we go with Poch I think we are looking at another few seasons rebuild before we get back to this kind of form. On that basis alone the job has to be ole’s. He’s worth the risk. Next season will almost certainly be a write off if we don’t go with him anyway. I’m loving the football again.
Considering the specialist in failure left us 11 points off top 4, if he can finish in those spots then he’s done more than enough in my eyes.
I'm convinced. Not just because of the results he has been producing, but also for bringing back the genuine United feelgood factor I've been missing. I'm loving this!
I need to see at least 2-3 solid years of our recent form with this exact group of players so we can rule out the honey moon period. A quadruple might just give him a boost but the premier league needs to be a record points total, one cup final must be an emphatic win, one coming from behind, and one with Lukaku in goal.
I think we all are, what's not to love, with smiles all around OT, on and off the pitch! Ole is facing down and winning almost ever battle in terms of enhancing players performances, match results, playing style and delivering exciting football. The problem will come when Ed Woodward wants to cash-in and buy players to sell shirts, rather than to help the team develop, I just hope Ole has the support at the highest level within the Club, to withstand this 'economic' pressure, he may for example need a Director of Football to support him?
I think they've already decided that he is.
He's in next season's video.He's talked about transfer targets and a vision for the future. He's only just stopped short of saying officially that it's him a t the helm next season.
Sure time will tell how it'll end up but it's a far less risk at this stage than Poch or whoever else has been mentioned
You had me for a minute until the last bit
At least a footballing person in between who get things right on football and recruitment side of things and acts in a proactive manner behind the scenes in terms of scouting and recruitment so as to build a long term vision of where the squad is going and how we want to play and achive our clubs objectives in the future. Ed has proven over time all these years he is not reliable on footballing matters.
What would it say about out club, and about the state of football in general if we DIDNT give him the job! He's been nothing short of sensational. He gets the job 100%, and no one deserves it more. Ole's at the wheel, long may he reign
He will get it, no doubt. I just hope it will be the right decision. He’s doing a great job so far, however 2-3 months is a limited view on his ability obviously. I’d happily take the risk though considering our record so far.
Tough crowd
Some of the comments on this thread are nothing short of lunacy.
"If he beats PSG give him the job", "If he Gets top 4, give him the job".
OGS has our club playing the best football of the last 6 years. This is no fluke, this is not a coincidence; and yet "if he beats PSG", and 'Gets top 4" with a team that he did not devise, or create, then give him the job?
FACTS:
(1) PSG are a world away from our team in terms of quality and cohesion.
(2) When OGS was given the caretaker roll, we were way outside of the top 4 options.
Considering the 2 facts above, this man and his team have created a positive situation that no Man United fan on the planet ever expected, or anticipated. But yet many of you would still risk Pochettino? based on what? What has he won? Nothing. We have already been down the road of appointing managers on reputation, and look what happened?
That is crazy talk. I'd give OGS (a genuine Manchester United legend, who has already completed an unbelievable turnaround before our very eyes) the 3 year contract now, and give him the chance to create HIS team. That, together with the obvious current turnaround on the way we are playing, has to be the way forward.
Anything less, and it'll just be more concrete evidence that we, as a club, have lost the plot. We are becoming more, and more like a post 80's Liverpool everyday. We now have the option to change that, and turn it around.
If we don't, then director heads should roll.
Or.... fast forward 12 months, we appoint Poch, it turns to sheeet, and then we would never know what 'could have been', and then for years we'd be saying: "What if". That is a position we do not want to be in.
"If he beats PSG give him the job", "If he Gets top 4, give him the job".
OGS has our club playing the best football of the last 6 years. This is no fluke, this is not a coincidence; and yet "if he beats PSG", and 'Gets top 4" with a team that he did not devise, or create, then give him the job?
FACTS:
(1) PSG are a world away from our team in terms of quality and cohesion.
(2) When OGS was given the caretaker roll, we were way outside of the top 4 options.
Considering the 2 facts above, this man and his team have created a positive situation that no Man United fan on the planet ever expected, or anticipated. But yet many of you would still risk Pochettino? based on what? What has he won? Nothing. We have already been down the road of appointing managers on reputation, and look what happened?
That is crazy talk. I'd give OGS (a genuine Manchester United legend, who has already completed an unbelievable turnaround before our very eyes) the 3 year contract now, and give him the chance to create HIS team. That, together with the obvious current turnaround on the way we are playing, has to be the way forward.
Anything less, and it'll just be more concrete evidence that we, as a club, have lost the plot. We are becoming more, and more like a post 80's Liverpool everyday. We now have the option to change that, and turn it around.
If we don't, then director heads should roll.
Or.... fast forward 12 months, we appoint Poch, it turns to sheeet, and then we would never know what 'could have been', and then for years we'd be saying: "What if". That is a position we do not want to be in.
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Can you elaborate a bit on why you consider Zidane a better choice?
I see this opinion on here quite often, or at least that Zidane would be a great fit, and I'm just curious why that is.
Zidane, while having won 3 CL titles, is only used to running a club that has all the star players, and can buy any player they want. Real Madrid Castilla didn't exactly play lights out when Zidane was at the helm. They were ok.
Zidane has absolutely proven that he can win titles, if he has limitless finances and can buy any player he wants. And have the best player in the world not named Messi on the roster.
I am not entirely sure that that skillset transfers well to a club that relies on developing homegrown world class talent balanced with buying the right players in a tight market. Real Madrid do develop academy players, but in recent memory they are far far of the quality of the Manchester Unite academy. https://www.transfermarkt.com/real-madrid/jugendarbeit/verein/418
The question I suppose is: What is it that Zidane can do better than Ole in terms of tactic, player development and player management with equal resources.
Exactly, Zidane was GIVEN and handed a winning team already. He has proved nothing, and it would be a HUGE risk to take him on as manager.
That is something that will not be happening soon!
Yep. Makes no sense to break up the management team that's in place now in favour of something new and exotic. The DoF issue is still up for debate though but I imagine Ole will just roll with the punches no matter what happens.
Maybe so, but he commanded the respect of a dressing room full of egos the size of a small planet and won three European Cups on the bounce. A man like that would be a great asset to any club.
I think everyone is already convinced that Ole should be given the job and rightly so! I think the contract negotiations are already going on in the background and it will be announced soon.
Has he not done enough, what more does he need to do? If he does not get given the job be an outrage.
Frankly if he doesn't win the treble in his first season like Pep did, I fail to see how he can merit it. Pep had Messi, we have lukaku firing on all fronts.
You're missing the point IMO.
Zidane had a connection to the club and fans.He's a RM legend, he isn't at Utd nor can he ever have the same status.
He won't feel the same way about promoting youth;it'll be about spending big and instant success. We've had that with 2 managers. We don't need a 'name' anymore. It's a different time, players think differently.
What the feck would he know about kids from Wythenshaw, how they live etc? Ole at least made Manchester his home for years. He gets the psyche.
Not saying Zidane would never be a great coach somewhere but PSG/Marseilles are his best bets IMO