What would convince you that Ole should be made permanent manager?

[Cee90]

Isn't Evra already an ambassador for the club now? Sure he was seen at OT a number of times recently. Love the passion the guy brings to the club and would be great to see him involved more, but we already look pretty top heavy with Ole's 3 amigos as assistants.

I think Evra’s been a bit too busy spanking raw chickens to have done much ambassadorial work for United to be honest.

I’d be a bit surprised if the club haven’t had a word with him about his social media shenanigans to be honest, assuming he is an actual ambassador of the club.

 

[Needham]

Just that he doesn't live in a hotel.

 

[We need an rvn]

Just that he doesn't live in a hotel.

That's a bit harsh considering he can't move into the home he owns as VVD is renting it from him

 

[TRUERED89]

That's a bit harsh considering he can't move into the home he owns as VVD is renting it from him

How far is Melwood from VVD's house? cant be easy getting to training every morning with traffic etc, he needs to feck off and find a house in Liverpool!

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Why? What makes him "perfect?"

For what it's worth I've changed my mind.

Think it's Ole's now.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Top 4 and to continue with the positive approach to games. If he then signs an RW in the summer he'll have done the impossible.

 

[OoopsMisclick]

3th spot, good showing against PSG.
& show that he has power inside utd by not being a puppet of Glazers/Woodward.

We need a strong manager that can stand up to the Glazers and Woodward.

Perfect situation would be 4 new singings and an extension of de gea & pogba.

 

[Eli Zee]

3th spot, good showing against PSG.
& show that he has power inside utd by not being a puppet of Glazers/Woodward.

We need a strong manager that can stand up to the Glazers and Woodward.

Perfect situation would be 4 new singings and an extension of de gea & pogba.

Now he needs to get 3rd place?

We already gained so many points on the competition. To expect him to keep it up and gain more points on the competition, with our current injury list, is a lot to ask for.

I’d love it if we kept winning , but the losses are inevitable. Just hope they don’t take us back out of top 4.

 

[slyadams]

I really want to want Ole as the manager. He's brought the joy back, got the players enjoying their football. But there's two things that concern me:

1. When we hit a bad spot, does he have the gravitas to pull the players through it. They're loving it now, but when the form turns, will they see him as an easy scapegoat?
2. Half a season is great, but where's the evidence he has a long term plan, can build a squad etc. After Moyes, LVG and Mourinho the general consensus the next appointment needs to be as close a a slam dunk as it can be. Ole, for all his qualities and achievements so far, is still a punt.

Perhaps he's brought back so much of what United is that we have changed the goalposts and the above concerns aren't valid, but I would want this improvement in football to lead to achievement.

 

[TRUERED89]

I really want to want Ole as the manager. He's brought the joy back, got the players enjoying their football. But there's two things that concern me:

1. When we hit a bad spot, does he have the gravitas to pull the players through it. They're loving it now, but when the form turns, will they see him as an easy scapegoat?
2. Half a season is great, but where's the evidence he has a long term plan, can build a squad etc. After Moyes, LVG and Mourinho the general consensus the next appointment needs to be as close a a slam dunk as it can be. Ole, for all his qualities and achievements so far, is still a punt.

Perhaps he's brought back so much of what United is that we have changed the goalposts and the above concerns aren't valid, but I would want this improvement in football to lead to achievement.

We've already hit several bad spots already under his tenure. Loss to PSG with 2 key injuries at half time, bounce back to smash Chelsea at the Bridge 2-0. Drew with Liverpool, where we had injuries to Herrera, Matic (before the game), Mata, Lingard, and kept out the so called best attack in the league with half our first team missing. We then bounced back from that by going to Crystal Palace and convincingly beating them 3-1 with a resurgence from Lukaku.

Even before that we drew 2-2 with Burnley only to bounce back and win against Leicester away. Also most recently beating Southampton in a classic OT thriller with a winning goal in the 88th minute. How many more tests does the man need for god sake! give him backing in the transfer market and OGS will turn united into a beast once again!

 

[roonster09]

3th spot, good showing against PSG.
& show that he has power inside utd by not being a puppet of Glazers/Woodward.

We need a strong manager that can stand up to the Glazers and Woodward.

Perfect situation would be 4 new singings and an extension of de gea & pogba.

This isn't a war or something. No manager should stand up against board, they should work together as a team.

 

[MUM]

He's already there for me, but what could he do with a fully fit team? Better I suppose.

 

[Sarni]

He’s convinced me.

Thing is, we can’t not give him a go now. And even if it doesn’t work, at least we’ve given a decent man who loves the club a go....isn’t that better than bringing in an outsider who might ultimately fail anyway (like the previous 3 candidates, who were all ‘better on paper’)

Would be ridiculous not to give him the job now IMO. It doesn't really matter what happens between now and the rest of season for me, those remaining 9 games can go either way with the injury crisis we have had but it's clear that the team is playing with much more positivity and has improved measurably since our last three manager. He deserves a chance.

 

[Revan]

Ole should also bring in Evra in some capacity and Rafael back in the squad. They get the club.

Actually, Rafael coming back wouldn't be the worst idea ever. Not as a starter (that should be Dalot), but he can probably deputize a bit (with Darmian and Valencia leaving and Young getting one year older).

 

[Sarni]

Considering the specialist in failure left us 11 points off top 4, if he can finish in those spots then he’s done more than enough in my eyes.

Even if we don't make CL from here it won't be on Ole, it will be on Jose. Keep him anyway, top 4 or not.

 

[OoopsMisclick]

This isn't a war or something. No manager should stand up against board, they should work together as a team.

Standing up doesn't mean starting a war.
I just don't want a yes-man.

 

[roonster09]

Standing up doesn't mean starting a war.
I just don't want a yes-man.

Any fight with the board will always end up one way, coach getting sacked. I don't know why any United fan want coach to stand up to owners, it just creates unnecessary drama and then end up with coach getting sacked, as in any organization.

If Ole wants players, he will work with scouting team, Woodward and hope for best possible outcome.

 

[slyadams]

We've already hit several bad spots already under his tenure. Loss to PSG with 2 key injuries at half time, bounce back to smash Chelsea at the Bridge 2-0. Drew with Liverpool, where we had injuries to Herrera, Matic (before the game), Mata, Lingard, and kept out the so called best attack in the league with half our first team missing. We then bounced back from that by going to Crystal Palace and convincingly beating them 3-1 with a resurgence from Lukaku.

Even before that we drew 2-2 with Burnley only to bounce back and win against Leicester away. Also most recently beating Southampton in a classic OT thriller with a winning goal in the 88th minute. How many more tests does the man need for god sake! give him backing in the transfer market and OGS will turn united into a beast once again!

I disagree. One loss against a side we were expected to lose against isn't a bad spot. Fighting out one or two results with injuries isn't a bad spot.

 

[Gehrman]

It's kind of funny because for me, his huge success so far has raised my expectations for him. I find myself thinking he needs to get top 4, he needs to get to a cup final et etc. At the end of the day though if you would've shown anyone his results so far before he was hired I doubt there'd be anyone doubting whether he should get the job or not.

I think the job is his bar some sort of complete disaster of an end to the season.

This really. I think we all expected him to try attacking football and inject some positivity into the club, I personally was not expecting any results nor had expectations. Since then he's had the best start managerial PL history and it would be dissapointing to miss out on top 4 and a FA cup final.

 

[keener]

After the 8 win beginning to his run, I thought the softness of the schedule may have had us get too excited about Ole but I think he's slowly proving to be a good selection. I didn't want the knee jerk appointment that so many media were calling for.

I think just before the end of the season (as we finish strong) then offer him the spot. Really there's no rush.

 

[Fanatic 00237]

Anyone who doesn’t want Ole to manage us next season at this stage or have reservations and worries simply doesn’t get this club.

Exactly this. Do the history and culture of this club actually mean anything anymore? I sort of understood the idea behind bringing in Moyes ("cut from the same cloth as SAF" they thought) but both LvG and Mourinho were wrong picks on so many aspects. Do we keep going for the latest shiny toy, regardless of whether it fits this club or not? I believe Ole is the perfect fit, he simply gets United. Who could have guessed when his name was announced as care-taker that he will do this well? Maybe Woody's best decision ever...

3th spot, good showing against PSG.
& show that he has power inside utd by not being a puppet of Glazers/Woodward.

We need a strong manager that can stand up to the Glazers and Woodward.

Perfect situation would be 4 new singings and an extension of de gea & pogba.

So, if we lose second leg to PSG and finish 4th (or say even 5th) he walks? Really? Even after everything you have seen since he came in?

I really want to want Ole as the manager. He's brought the joy back, got the players enjoying their football. But there's two things that concern me:

1. When we hit a bad spot, does he have the gravitas to pull the players through it. They're loving it now, but when the form turns, will they see him as an easy scapegoat?
2. Half a season is great, but where's the evidence he has a long term plan, can build a squad etc. After Moyes, LVG and Mourinho the general consensus the next appointment needs to be as close a a slam dunk as it can be. Ole, for all his qualities and achievements so far, is still a punt.

Perhaps he's brought back so much of what United is that we have changed the goalposts and the above concerns aren't valid, but I would want this improvement in football to lead to achievement.

How do we evaluate his long-term capabilities then? I'd even go as far as saying picking anyone else over Ole would be a bigger gamble than sticking with him at this point, even Poch (who hasn't been under the level of spotlight and pressure which comes with managing United), more so any of the foreign names who have neither coached nor played in the PL before. I thought our previous two failures must have shown everyone that there is nothing like a slam dunk appointment, it just doesn't exist. I'm ready to gamble with Ole for at very least a couple of seasons. He has fully deserved it.

 

[Revan]

I don't think that winning UCL or getting top 4 is required. UCL is incredibly hard to win (SAF won it twice in 20 or so attempts), while we are 11 points behind the fourth place.

It is quite easy to see if progress is happening or not. If we play good attacking football and it seems that we are going in the right direction, I am all for continuing. Look at Klopp and Liverpool, they didn't finish in top 4 in his first 2 seasons there but it was clear that he is doing a good job. Look at us last year, we finished second, but it was clear that Mourinho cannot send us forward.

TLDT, look at football, not on a table to make the big decision.

Still stand by my original opinion. Despite that now it looks likely that we will be in top 4 at the end of the season, I don't think that it is a requirement for the job. We have progressed a lot during these 2.5 months, so I just want to see progress and then with a few signing to see what Ole can do next season.

 

[mitchmouse]

By all accounts we had talked to 5 other people before Moyes, and probably had some people who ranked lower than him as well
LVG recruitment approach was flawed but thorough too apparently
Mourinho was an opportunistic gamble which miserably failed
This time, at least at some level conversations would have happened with managers or their agents, not to mention a look at how the ones currently managing have been performing in the same time frame, which in itself is an involuntary interview process. Sometimes when its right, its right. Ole has done nothing at this point to warrant us taking a gamble on someone else

I don't believe for a moment we talked to anyone before appointing Moyes. Hew as SAF's choice based on the fact that he was young, Scottish and had sort of brought Everton up a notch nearer to Liverpool (or did they just drop). Seen as a Fergie MkII. Had they talked to lots of people, thepress would have got wind of at least some names. Same with LVG. Good world cup equalled being appointed

 

[We need an rvn]

How far is Melwood from VVD's house? cant be easy getting to training every morning with traffic etc, he needs to feck off and find a house in Liverpool!

Obviously prefers Cheshire to Merseyside - who can blame him there though

 

[Van Piorsing]

Sustaining such high morale and level of football in moments of injury shit storm is definitely a sign for me. I doubt Woodward requires instant success in the FA Cup in matter of months with mix of players from three managerial reigns combined with zero deals in a small winter window.

We will never truly know until putting trust and time in a basket for any manager in that matter.

 

[Infra-red]

Top 4 and entertaining football. He's well on the way.

 

[RedCoffee]

nothing more

 

[Nikelesh Reddy]

Top 4 and entertaining football. He's well on the way.

This.Finish 4th and he definitely deserves to get the job...

 

[Bestofthebest]

For me he should get the job now but my concern is how much control will he get and what kind of support regarding signings etc. Hope we don't spend the whole summer chasing "impossible" targets and go into next season with a marginally improved squad

 

[Infra-red]

For me he should get the job now but my concern is how much control will he get and what kind of support regarding signings etc. Hope we don't spend the whole summer chasing "impossible" targets and go into next season with a marginally improved squad

I doubt we're heading for a big summer now. Ole has managed a top 4 level of performance with the squad as it stands (as did Mourinho last season). I doubt Woodward or the Glazers will now be persuaded of the need for significant spending, particularly if De Gea is signed up on some mega £350k+ per week deal and we fail to shift Sanchez (as seems likely). Something similar to last summer seems most probable (£70-80m, two or three coming in).

 

[Hughie77]

I already think there giving him the job as long as Phelan stays and the same set up as it is now. The only other manager that I think would fit is Poch, but it looks like a few million to prise him away, also we've tried now with 3 different managers 2 of them supposedly top class , lvg, Jose both won trophies but both failed to impress with playing style and players and club were not happy.

Ole , Phelan, Carrick, McKenna , have all had an impact on the club, team, fans, the style in positive, attitude is positive we as fans are positive, just take a time out to think , there is going to be a wobble if Ole and the rest take over on permanent basis. Recruitment in summer of players is crucial as to how it will pan out. 4 top class we need cb, rb, cm, and maybe a front man ?

 

[Beanz]

An invincible treble. You lower your standards now you'll keep lowering them. So someone better not give him a permanent contract until this perfectly reasonable request is fulfilled.

 

[wub1234]

You've played 14 games against English opposition, and have won 12 and lost 2. And that was with a team that was utterly hopeless before Solskjaer took over (although clearly it was never hopeless on paper). If anyone else is even considered for the job it would be an utter travesty. No-one could possibly have predicted that he'd do this well, and surely that should be rewarded.

 

[redshaw]

You've played 14 games against English opposition, and have won 12 and lost 2. And that was with a team that was utterly hopeless before Solskjaer took over (although clearly it was never hopeless on paper). If anyone else is even considered for the job it would be an utter travesty. No-one could possibly have predicted that he'd do this well, and surely that should be rewarded.

Nope. Only game Ole has lost is against PSG, a french team.

 

[Tom Cato]

I think I have the end all argument for this discussion:

The fans sing the managers name every single game. And thats really all doubt left by the curb on that one. It's like the fans at the Roman colloseum. If the crowd chants "live", the emperor will give his thumbs up, or risk riots in the street. Ed and the Glazers will give their thumbs up.

Appointing anyone else would reverse every single thing thats happened the past 2 1/2 months for a maybe.

Note: I don't think there would be riots, but most likely several mean forum comments and some really bad press for months.

 

[BluesJr]

He's earned it already.

 

[Lj82]

I don't believe for a moment we talked to anyone before appointing Moyes. Hew as SAF's choice based on the fact that he was young, Scottish and had sort of brought Everton up a notch nearer to Liverpool (or did they just drop). Seen as a Fergie MkII. Had they talked to lots of people, thepress would have got wind of at least some names. Same with LVG. Good world cup equalled being appointed

Despite the fact that Saf confirming that the club did look and sounded out other options, and many of these rumored candidates coming out to confirm that yes there was contact from the club. Sure.

 

[Sing you a song]

I honestly can’t think of a single reason not to give him the job, he has proven that he has the support of the players and the entire staff , he understands fully what the club is about and how we should play, his philosophy is to win the United way with attacking, exciting football , he embraces rather than fears the presence and support of Sir Alex, he is not an egotistical maniac like LVG and Jose, in his time in charge he has proven to be tactically astute, bouncing back from adversity without drama and has got rid of the blame culture, the fans love home and would be quick to back him and slow to turn on him .
Break him in half and he says United right through the middle of him, he deserves a minimum 3 year contract and backing in the transfer market .
We have tried outsiders in the job but they just don’t get what United is all about, this is a unique club and at last we have a management team in place that love the club the way Fergie did .
I hope he stays for 10 years and gets Carrick ready to replace him in the long term.

 

[Class of 63]

I think I have the end all argument for this discussion:

The fans sing the managers name every single game. And thats really all doubt left by the curb on that one. It's like the fans at the Roman colloseum. If the crowd chants "live", the emperor will give his thumbs up, or risk riots in the street. Ed and the Glazers will give their thumbs up.

Appointing anyone else would reverse every single thing thats happened the past 2 1/2 months for a maybe.

Note: I don't think there would be riots, but most likely several mean forum comments and some really bad press for months.

Yeah can see it now, dozens and dozens of "If I get my hands on Ed Woodward i'm gonna kick him on the shin" type posts, it won't be for the faint hearted that's for sure.

 

[Class of 63]

Surely now the question should be what would convince you that Ole shouldn't be made permanent manager?

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