Sunday Times: Chelsea have been put up for sale

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We still play more players from academy than every TOP 6 club combined. The expectation that we can challenge for a title playing many academy players is just unrealistic and we as fans put way too much pressure to do it IMO. For example LVG played lots of youngsters but we all knew they were bang average and would end up at Championship or lower in a few years. That's exactly what happened. Now we have a similar situation with Jose and McTominay. It's so clear that in a few years we will sell him to the likes of Stoke or Hull but Jose feels he must give him minutes because you know, play youth etc etc.
I think the fact that there’s not many youth players good enough to play for the first team is where my issue lies. Obviously they’ll only be played if they are good enough, but they’re not because it seems we don’t invest as much time or effort into the academy as we used to.

Wouldn’t expect Mourinho to play any old player just because he’s in the academy, but it’d be nice to see a few get more of a chance.
 

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What about when they appointed a transfer committee and signed players like Balotelli, Benteke etc.? They have started spending more because they think Klopp is genuinely improving the squad. They wouldn't pay over the top wages for Sanchez when they sold Suarez.
Sanchez had clearly said, he wanted London, he wanted CL.
Made us and Pool ineligible.
 

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What about when they appointed a transfer committee and signed players like Balotelli, Benteke etc.? They have started spending more because they think Klopp is genuinely improving the squad. They wouldn't pay over the top wages for Sanchez when they sold Suarez.
What about reading my other posts first ?
 

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I think Madrid did make a real approach after the fax machine incident but United refusing to even discuss the idea of selling De Gea to Real Madrid.

Real Madrid and Barcelona have done amazing in the last 10 years. Lets see if everyone wants to play for one of them when they drop off a bit and aren't contending in Europe anymore and aren't THAT good anymore.
Ronaldo joined Madrid when we were in far better form and shape than them.
 

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Usmanov -- just sold his Arsenal shares and he is actually richer than Roman.

Keep it in the oligarch family.
 

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One nice thing for the economics nerds among us - if he sells we'll actually, finally, get to see if using the term 'investment' is justified.

He's sunk about a billion in I believe, at least, I wonder how much more than that (above his original purchase) he'll get, and more interestingly how that return will compare with having just put the funds in the markets, or real estate which is a large part of Chelsea's value.

My working theory is he would have made more with any number of investments, and it was always about ulterior motives.

Also, anyone saying City have the best owners is ridiculously blinded by football. City's owners are awful human beings trying to put a gloss over their activities by splashing cash on something the plebs like. Bit like in Bond films when the bad guy always throws a big party at an art gallery before executing some good guys.
 

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Only player from both teams who was targeted by the 2 La Liga giants after Ronaldo is De Gea and we were willing to sell and get Navas in replacement till the fax machine thing happened.

As I said, don't think Madrid were interested in Aguero and were always happy with Benzema as a fodder for Ronaldo.

Have to say the picture will become much clearer, though, if Barca keep their persistance over Pogba and convinced him next summer through his fat agent. Our reaction will determine this argument.
Between 2009 to present there will have been more than a few players at City and United that Barca and Real would have wanted but bar DeGea which they found very difficult they haven’t even attempted to get anyone. United and City are too rich.

I’m not convinced by the Pogba Barca rumours. Some of the Catalan press don’t believe it either and/or think Barca couldn’t afford the sort of fee United would even consider. Nah I think those rumours are his agent shit stirring to try to get Pogba on the same wages as Sanchez.
 

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Well I am constantly told on here that we were formed in 2003 so that would make us far too young for United to be interested. Stamford Bridge is also not tall enough for Jose.

Maybe in 2022?
We bought Lindelof and we stuck with him. Our judgment's not the best.
 

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Between 2009 to present there will have been more than a few players at City and United that Barca and Real would have wanted but bar DeGea which they found very difficult they haven’t even attempted to get anyone. United and City are too rich.

I’m not convinced by the Pogba Barca rumours. Some of the Catalan press don’t believe it either and/or think Barca couldn’t afford the sort of fee United would even consider. Nah I think those rumours are his agent shit stirring to try to get Pogba on the same wages as Sanchez.
How many City or United players did Madrid or Barca actually approach to buy ?
 

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Still waiting for Woodward’s press conference to explain that he put a €100m bid in for Chelsea and tried to buy the club.
 

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How many City or United players did Madrid or Barca actually approach to buy ?
Beckham, ruud, ronaldo, DeGea

Beckham and ruud we were actively hawking so not like they stole them from us.
Ronaldo being a Portuguese always wanted to play there but did right by us
DeGea - madrid didn’t get their way

Edit: forgot Heinze who we wanted rid off too
 

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Beckham, ruud, ronaldo, DeGea

Beckham and ruud we were actively hawking so not like they stole them from us.
Ronaldo being a Portuguese always wanted to play there but did right by us
DeGea - madrid didn’t get their way

Edit: forgot Heinze who we wanted rid off too
Was talking after Ronaldo. Only De Gea so far and we were willing to sell and get Navas in return as I mentioned.
 

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How many City or United players did Madrid or Barca actually approach to buy ?
Not many if any which ties into my point. City have had world class players and United in the years after 2009 still had a fair few world class players and 1 or 2 since that Barca and Real would have wanted if they thought there was a chance they could sign them. They haven't tried to sign any bar DeGea who they thought they could get on the cheap because he was running his contract down, similar to how they just signed Courtois.

If a top player at City or United has a fair few years left on their contracts then i doubt Real or Barca would consider it an option. Real couldn't even get Hazard from Chelsea when they're not even in the Champions league. It's been 5 years since Real even broke the world transfer record, i reckon the days of them getting anyone they want are gone for the most part.
 

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Not many if any which ties into my point. City have had world class players and United in the years after 2009 still had a fair few world class players and 1 or 2 since that Barca and Real would have wanted if they thought there was a chance they could sign them. They haven't tried to sign any bar DeGea who they thought they could get on the cheap because he was running his contract down, similar to how they just signed Courtois.

If a top player at City or United has a fair few years left on their contracts then i doubt Real or Barca would consider it an option. Real couldn't even get Hazard from Chelsea when they're not even in the Champions league. It's been 5 years since Real even broke the world transfer record, i reckon the days of them getting anyone they want are gone for the most part.
Then we can't comment on their ability to keep their players if Real or Barca didn't approach them from the start, right ? Most of United or City top players are in positions Madrid didn't need any additions in, except Aguero but as I said they were always content with Benzema as fodder for Ronaldo.

Re Hazard, check his quotes. It was literally him crying for Madrid to make a move for him but not the opposite. We haven't heard any real news about Madrid putting an offer for Chelsea on the table. It was mostly Hazard begging them with his quotes to move on for him which didn't happen so far.
 

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Then we can't comment on their ability to keep their players if Real or Barca didn't approach them from the start, right ? Most of United or City top players are in positions Madrid didn't need any additions in, except Aguero but as I said they were always content with Benzema as fodder for Ronaldo.
Then by that logic if no approaches were made then surely you also can't comment on United and City's ability to ''resist'' Real and Barca?

Since 2009 they've replaced almost their entire team, some positions more than once. City and United had players they would have wanted in that time period.

Re Hazard, check his quotes. It was literally him crying for Madrid to make a move for him but not the opposite. We haven't heard any real news about Madrid putting an offer for Chelsea on the table. It was mostly Hazard begging them with his quotes to move on for him which didn't happen so far.
With Real once the media circus starts up linking them to a player, those links are almost certainly from press briefings designed to unsettle players. I've seen them do it for 10-15 years, in the last 5 years though England hasn't been the consistent shopping area it once was for them.

Anyway i'll leave it there as we're off topic.
 

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Bollocks. A grown man playing Fantasy Football in real life isn't any thing to be proud of at all. Nobody respects anything Chelsea or City have won except their own supporters. Everyone always says they bought their titles and while their supporters say they don't care, we all know they really do deep down. It's always there, tainting every victory they have and always used by opposition supporters as a stick to beat them with.

Lmao yea right. Your delusional man
 

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Then by that logic if no approaches were made then surely you also can't comment on United and City's ability to ''resist'' Real and Barca?

Since 2009 they've replaced almost their entire team, some positions more than once. City and United had players they would have wanted in that time period.
They never approached Arsenal for a player, does that mean Arsenal can resist them ? That's why I'm saying this logic doesn't work. The only player they approached from Manchester clubs is De Gea and were getting him except the fax thing.

Which players at United and City they would have wanted ? They bought Modric from Spurs, and before City got KDB, they had already secured Kroos from Bayern, so they needed no more in midfield. In attack, they got Bale at his best form from Spurs, and were already having Ronaldo at his peak, so were fine by Benzema as a fodder. They kept this attack since then till now. United and City didn't have any winger better than Bale at the time they moved for him. In defense they had Ramos, Pepe and Marcelo formyears and got Varane as a future prospect.

Th only player they really needed was the GK so they approached Dave and could have got him.

With Real once the media circus starts up linking them to a player, those links are almost certainly from press briefings designed to unsettle players. I've seen them do it for 10-15 years, in the last 5 years though England hasn't been the consistent shopping area it once was for them.

Anyway i'll leave it there as we're off topic.
In Hazard case it looks for me he was the one who flirting with Madrid not the opposite imo. If they really want him and after his quotes during summer they would have made a try at least. Thus it looks for me like it as Hazard who was begging them to get him, not the opposite.

No problem. :)
 

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I'll take our cheap, stingy, parasitic owners over City's tbh.
Why? Since Fergie retired, United has lost direction. It isn't helping that Glazers & Ed know jack shit about football.
United get new noodle sponsor every years but as fans why should we care?
 

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Why? Since Fergie retired, United has lost direction. It isn't helping that Glazers & Ed know jack shit about football.
United get new noodle sponsor every years but as fans why should we care?
Take 5 mins to look into City's owners and it should be pretty obvious
 

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They never approached Arsenal for a player, does that mean Arsenal can resist them ? That's why I'm saying this logic doesn't work. The only player they approached from Manchester clubs is De Gea and were getting him except the fax thing.

Which players at United and City they would have wanted ? They bought Modric from Spurs, and before City got KDB, they had already secured Kroos from Bayern, so they needed no more in midfield. In attack, they got Bale at his best form from Spurs, and were already having Ronaldo at his peak, so were fine by Benzema as a fodder. They kept this attack since then till now. United and City didn't have any winger better than Bale at the time they moved for him. In defense they had Ramos, Pepe and Marcelo formyears and got Varane as a future prospect.

Th only player they really needed was the GK so they approached Dave and could have got him.
They could have but only because of his contract situation, he was running his contract down the same way Courtois did. Thats the only way i think they could get a top player from Untied or City. We've seen since DeGea signed another deal they haven't came back in for him because they know they likely won't get him.

As for which players they would have wanted no idea mate, we're talking about a period of nearly 10 years here. How many managers have they had in that time, a fair few. I'm sure one or more of them would have liked to sign some players from United or City over that time period. And lets not forget Perez likes (or used to) a shiny new toy every summer. Real used to regularly sign players from Englands top clubs. Thats stopped the last few years though.

In Hazard case it looks for me he was the one who flirting with Madrid not the opposite imo. If they really want him and after his quotes during summer they would have made a try at least. Thus it looks for me like it as Hazard who was begging them to get him, not the opposite.

No problem. :)
I think they were put off by the price it would have taken to convince Chelsea to sell, they don't seem to have the money to throw around anymore that they used to. Either that or they are choosing to be more conservative with it and look for better value.
 

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2.5 billion?

Say they make £25M profit a year. It's going to take 100 years to get your money back. And nothing is guaranteed, many big clubs have went down the toilet ie Wimbledon, Portsmouth, Rangers etc.
 

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2.5 billion?

Say they make £25M profit a year. It's going to take 100 years to get your money back. And nothing is guaranteed, many big clubs have went down the toilet ie Wimbledon, Portsmouth, Rangers etc.
It's not just about profit though is it? The value factors in the various assets of the club as well - the player's values, Stamford Bridge would be worth a lot given its location in London, sponsorship deals, training ground etc.
 

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2.5 billion?

Say they make £25M profit a year. It's going to take 100 years to get your money back. And nothing is guaranteed, many big clubs have went down the toilet ie Wimbledon, Portsmouth, Rangers etc.
I suppose you don't look at it that way, more what you could sell it for in the future if profit is the aim of the game.
 

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Radcliffe should buy Oldham Athletic and take them to the Premier League. Give something back to the town where he's from instead of buying an established top European club from the richest area in the world.
 

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I thought he was a United fan, why not go for United?