Martial's United career so far?

[Keefy18]

I disagree. Numbers have never told the whole story and those numbers don't mean it was down to his manager. Martial's attitude is his problem. That much is getting clearer now under Ole as much as it was from Didier Deschamps headaches with him in France. And how do you explain his great performances under Jose and then another incredible slump under Ole? Jose did that? Many, many players have had fantastic debut seasons and then slumped. Just as much as many players have had poor debut seasons but later became legends under the same manager. Debut seasons hardly ever tell the whole story.

Well actually it factually does if you look at the numbers.

Between Aug - Dec 17 the kid quite literally could not of performed any better with the scraps of mins he was afforded by that clueless feckwit Jose.

So from August to Dec 2017 Martial scored 10 goals and set up another 9. Involved in 19 goals in 21 starts total in that time frame. Most of those starts he was almost always subbed off.

28 starts, 12 goals and 14 assists over the course of the season.

How in the blue hell can a player perform better than that? After returns like that, Jose still wanted to sell him last summer and your basically defending all this and putting blame on Martial?

http://www.espnfc.com/player/181140/anthony-martial?season=2017

What happened next? Sanchez was bought and he couldn't get a look in. So Jose challenged him (no idea why) to perform better for him. He performs better and then another player is bought in place of him. His replacement woefully under performed and Jose still wouldn't play Martial.

If he has an attitude, is it any feckin wonder?

In a nutshell he is being underpaid to another staff member who is performing worse than him and you wonder why he has attitude issues? I wouldn't blame him and if you do you need to give your head a serious wobble.

 

[buckooo1978]

can't really think of a good performance since we played against Fulham in early February

he's dropped off in the same manner as Pogba and Rashford and it's no surprise our performances have suffered given how important the three are to us.....

we need him to show more consistency

 

[Art Vandelay]

Well yes he did.

Some interesting numbers to put to you.

In Martial's debut season he had his best run of starts for us, 29 games started on the bounce. As a young 18 year old kid he was superb in his debut season. In those 29 games he provided us with 8 goals and 5 assists.

The next 2 seasons under Jose he was absolutely shat on! In Jose's first season here the best he could give Martial was 5 starts on the bounce! FIVE! This after the kid won the World Young player of the year award, scoring I think 18 goals in a debut season? Jose was a clown dropping him. Still in that run of 5 games Martial scored once and set up two more.

Only got worse for Martial from there the next season where the best Jose could afford him was a whopping... THREE starts to make up his best run in the side. How in the hell is any player supposed to find consistent form and product when starting so sparingly?

His best run this season is 9 games on the bounce which is his best run of games to date since Nov 2015 - April 16 under LVG.

So yes, Jose ruined the kid and arguably cost him a world cup winners medal by signing Sanchez for a performing Martial and ostracized him from the club.

Absolutely shat on. What a bastard man Jose was! Stealing poor Anthony's World Cup medal by daring to sign other players.

Maybe after 3 or 5 games on the bounce Martial wasn't doing enough to warrant starting the next game. Maybe he's at one of the biggest clubs in the world and there's going to be competition for places. Maybe he's not earned the right to start regardless of form or performances. Maybe he's not that good. Maybe LVG was a stubborn moron that started Rooney every single bloody week no matter what so who he did and didn't back shouldn't really be considered as any sort of barometer for success.

We don't owe Martial anything. He's getting paid way over the odds and doesn't consistently deliver for us. We don't owe him a run of 29 games to try and find form. He owes it to Manchester United to do enough to nail down a place. It's not the other way around. He's not paying us to play him, we're paying him handsomely to deliver performances. We probably can't even sell him anyway as no one else will be stupid enough to pay him what we are.

Jose absolutely shat on him! fecking hell.

 

[Keefy18]

Absolutely shat on. What a bastard man Jose was! Stealing poor Anthony's World Cup medal by daring to sign other players.

Maybe after 3 or 5 games on the bounce Martial wasn't doing enough to warrant starting the next game. Maybe he's at one of the biggest clubs in the world and there's going to be competition for places. Maybe he's not earned the right to start regardless of form or performances. Maybe he's not that good. Maybe LVG was a stubborn moron that started Rooney every single bloody week no matter what so who he did and didn't back shouldn't really be considered as any sort of barometer for success.

We don't owe Martial anything. He's getting paid way over the odds and doesn't consistently deliver for us. We don't owe him a run of 29 games to try and find form. He owes it to Manchester United to do enough to nail down a place. It's not the other way around. He's not paying us to play him, we're paying him handsomely to deliver performances. We probably can't even sell him anyway as no one else will be stupid enough to pay him what we are.

Jose absolutely shat on him! fecking hell.

I've just replied to it all above, you haven't a clue obviously.

He signed Sanchez to replace ffs! Tell me how that has gone? Has he at any point been better than Martial? Not a chance.

Still Jose wanted rid of Martial for under performers like Perisic and Willian last summer, the mind boggles when there are folks like you defending that type of situation.

Between Aug-Dec 17, 21 starts and involved in 19 goals. Signs Sanchez and dumps Martial after returns like that?

That isn't Jose treating him like crap?

http://www.espnfc.com/player/181140/anthony-martial?season=2017

Do your homework, look at the numbers. The kid averaged 52 mins for every game he started under Jose. Basically he never afforded him a chance to prove himself, yet he was still delivering in terms of goals / assists.

 

[pascell]

can't really think of a good performance since we played against Fulham in early February

he's dropped off in the same manner as Pogba and Rashford and it's no surprise our performances have suffered given how important the three are to us.....

we need him to show more consistency

Probably vs Cardiff away in Oles first game, that for me was the last game he did anything of note.

 

[Toddler]

I like him a lot but the fact is that if he cant show the qualities he possesses consistently he is not going to be anything special.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I've just replied to it all above, you haven't a clue obviously.

Between Aug-Dec 17, 21 starts and involved in 19 goals. Signs Sanchez and dumps Martial after returns like that?

That isn't Jose treating him like crap?

http://www.espnfc.com/player/181140/anthony-martial?season=2017

Do your homework, look at the numbers. The kid averaged 52 mins for every game he started under Jose. Basically he never afforded him a chance to prove himself, yet he was still delivering in terms of goals / assists.

You're making excuses for a player not performing now by looking at a manager that was sacked months ago. Martial is to blame for Martial's form. He didn't do what Mourinho wanted of him, Mourinho didn't like him. Big deal, Mourinho is gone and Martial is playing shit for us. What's the excuse if he keeps doing this next season? Is it always going to be Mourinho?

I'm not looking at old stats under a former manager to justify a player playing shit months after he's gone. That's as ridiculous as using someone else's wages to justify that player not being able to pass the ball 5 yards.

 

[Keefy18]

You're making excuses for a player not performing now by looking at a manager that was sacked months ago. Martial is to blame for Martial's form. He didn't do what Mourinho wanted of him, Mourinho didn't like him. Big deal, Mourinho is gone and Martial is playing shit for us. What's the excuse if he keeps doing this next season? Is it always going to be Mourinho?

I'm not looking at old stats under a former manager to justify a player playing shit months after he's gone. That's as ridiculous as using someone else's wages to justify that player not being able to pass the ball 5 yards.

But he was performing

That's the point. From Aug to Dec 17 he started 21 games, involved in 19 goals in that time frame. That's Messi / Ronaldo levels of returns come on like. I've literally given you the numbers and you are choosing to just be blatantly ignorant to the facts. Jose wanted him to defend, why? Boring as feck and everyone hated our football under him. He ended up with more 0-0 games than LVG did after 2 seasons, he was beyond sinfully boring was Jose.

We still went out and bought Sanchez and many felt it was possibly for the RW and no, Jose dumped Martial and played Sanchez LW. Why? There was literally no need to do that.

Of all our attackers, Martial provides end product more consistently than any other. His returns per mins are some of the best in the league and up there with the likes of Son, Kane and Aguero for god sake.

Lets not forget, Jose fell out with everyone at the club. Jose fell out with most of his players at Chelsea and Real also, so lets just sum up Jose as poisonous yeah? But yeah, all Martial's fault.

 

[Mr PG]

Rashford’s effort was palmed away by Fabianski while Martial can be spotted walking outside the box... no effort to get into a good position.

Additionally he always comes short for the pass then takes ages dithering on the ball instead of attacking the fullback right away.

Sell to make place for Greenwood. Funds can be used to purchase a top quality midfielder and Centerback upgrade.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

His highs are high and his lows are abysmal. Unfortunately you don't often get a consistent performance out of him. He would do well to follow Memphis' footsteps and spend a few seasons at a club like Lyon or Dortmund before making the step up again.

 

[mav_9me]

I like him a lot but the fact is that if he cant show the qualities he possesses consistently he is not going to be anything special.

Exactly where I am. I am a huge fan and I think he is really talented but it doesn't matter how much talent he has. You have to produce.

 

[Art Vandelay]

But he was performing

That's the point. From Aug to Dec 17 he started 21 games, involved in 19 goals in that time frame. That's Messi / Ronaldo levels of returns come on like. I've literally given you the numbers and you are choosing to just be blatantly ignorant to the facts. Jose wanted him to defend, why? Boring as feck and everyone hated our football under him. He ended up with more 0-0 games than LVG did after 2 seasons, he was beyond sinfully boring was Jose.

We still went out and bought Sanchez and many felt it was possibly for the RW and no, Jose dumped Martial and played Sanchez LW. Why? There was literally no need to do that.

Of all our attackers, Martial provides end product more consistently than any other. His returns per mins are some of the best in the league and up there with the likes of Son, Kane and Aguero for god sake.

Lets not forget, Jose fell out with everyone at the club. Jose fell out with most of his players at Chelsea and Real also, so lets just sum up Jose as poisonous yeah? But yeah, all Martial's fault.

I get that, but I don't care if he was performing 2 years ago or last year. He can't use a man that left months ago as an excuse to put in the kind of performances he is now. Mourinho obviously just didn't fancy him for a reason right or wrong. No one is coming knocking on our door looking to sign him either. He got dropped for France as well as us.

Lukaku was smashing goals in for us at the start of last season and went through a spell of creating them when he wasn't scoring. It doesn't buy him any credit now and shouldn't for Martial either.

 

[Cheesy]

Probably been his best season overall since he first arrived in 2015 but he's very stop-start annoyingly. In a similar vein to Rashford I love the idea of him being one of our key forwards going forward who's a guaranteed starter, but really needs to find a level of consistency soon if he wants that to happen. He's 24 at the end of the year too, so considering he started so young and has plenty of experience now you feel like he should really be coming into the prime of his career.

 

[Keefy18]

I get that, but I don't care if he was performing 2 years ago or last year. He can't use a man that left months ago as an excuse to put in the kind of performances he is now. Mourinho obviously just didn't fancy him for a reason right or wrong. No one is coming knocking on our door looking to sign him either. He got dropped for France as well as us.

Lukaku was smashing goals in for us at the start of last season and went through a spell of creating them when he wasn't scoring. It doesn't buy him any credit now and shouldn't for Martial either.

But you started off your replies to me saying Jose didn't treat him badly, he did. Martial was doing what was asked of him but it still wasn't good enough for Jose.

The 2nd part isn't really true either is it, he was linked with quite a few top clubs around Europe when Jose was here and prior to signing again for us.

He was dropped by France cause he wasn't playing for us.

As for currently under Ole he's doing fine, he's had a few injuries of late and missed some games. As bad as he was yesterday he was still involved in both goals, won us the penalty yesterday.

I'm not saying he has to be played for 29 games regardless of form, I'm just saying I'd like to see him get that kind of run again in the side if possible (stay free of injuries and a manager that picks him based on form fairly) and see how he fares.

 

[el3mel]

Why is people discussing Mourinho here when the player is still as underwhelming now as he was previously ?

 

[RedDevil@84]

Has been on and off. Still doubt whether he will reach the potential he seems to have. If he could make some off the ball movement and get into scoring positions, he will be lethal. But as of now does not seem to spot the runs or work with Rashford/Lukaku. Most of the time, it seems he allows others to make runs and stays back waiting for something.
Hopefully Ole and coaching staff could teach him such stuff.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Why is people discussing Mourinho here when the player is still as underwhelming now as he was previously ?

It is a standard thing. All our player problems are blamed on Jose. It is an easy excuse.

 

[Kapardin]

One more season. He needs to improve or accept a role as a bit-part player, or leave. Highly overrated.

 

[Toad]

He will do well in a good team. Pretty overrated if you asked me but if he was sold then sods law he would become a superstar.

 

[Keefy18]

Why is people discussing Mourinho here when the player is still as underwhelming now as he was previously ?

Because the thread is about his Man United career?

He's played for LVG, Jose & Ole.

Performed very well under LVG, Jose derailed any momentum he had and killed his confidence and Ole is only there 4 months so far and he's had 2 injuries thus far.

 

[Art Vandelay]

But you started off your replies to me saying Jose didn't treat him badly, he did. Martial was doing what was asked of him but it still wasn't good enough for Jose.

The 2nd part isn't really true either is it, he was linked with quite a few top clubs around Europe when Jose was here and prior to signing again for us.

He was dropped by France cause he wasn't playing for us.

As for currently under Ole he's doing fine, he's had a few injuries of late and missed some games. As bad as he was yesterday he was still involved in both goals, won us the penalty yesterday.

I'm not saying he has to be played for 29 games regardless of form, I'm just saying I'd like to see him get that kind of run again in the side if possible (stay free of injuries and a manager that picks him based on form fairly) and see how he fares.

Because you put all the blame for his performances on Mourinho and went over the top saying that he was absolutely shat on. He played for a manager that didn't fancy him, it happens. We don't know what Mourinho was asking of him, we just know he didn't fancy him. Martial is just as culpable, especially now. We can't keep making excuses for him and we can't keep saying we don't need a left winger when he's not delivering for us.

Every player is linked with other teams when they are negotiating a new contract. You're smart enough to know that's how these things work.

Unfortunately if he's being picked by a manager that picks based on form fairly then he won't be getting on much on current form. We really need competition out there, Sanchez needs moved on and someone else needs to come in to give us another option out there. It's one of the reasons I'd like to see Lozano come in, pacey, direct, makes runs in behind and can play on both wings. Might be a bit similar to what we have, but when what we have isn't delivering we have no other options at the minute.

 

[Sauldogba]

Well yes he did.

Some interesting numbers to put to you.

In Martial's debut season he had his best run of starts for us, 29 games started on the bounce. As a young 18 year old kid he was superb in his debut season. In those 29 games he provided us with 8 goals and 5 assists.

The next 2 seasons under Jose he was absolutely shat on! In Jose's first season here the best he could give Martial was 5 starts on the bounce! FIVE! This after the kid won the World Young player of the year award, scoring I think 18 goals in a debut season? Jose was a clown dropping him. Still in that run of 5 games Martial scored once and set up two more.

Only got worse for Martial from there the next season where the best Jose could afford him was a whopping... THREE starts to make up his best run in the side. How in the hell is any player supposed to find consistent form and product when starting so sparingly?

His best run this season is 9 games on the bounce which is his best run of games to date since Nov 2015 - April 16 under LVG.

So yes, Jose ruined the kid and arguably cost him a world cup winners medal by signing Sanchez for a performing Martial and ostracized him from the club.

100 percent.
Theres a reason why a good percentage of us said when Jose was linked to the United job that both Martial and Rashford would regress.
I remember the conversations and I remember many not wanting him here for that reason.

 

[el3mel]

Because the thread is about his Man United career?

He's played for LVG, Jose & Ole.

Performed very well under LVG, Jose derailed any momentum he had and killed his confidence and Ole is only there 4 months so far and he's had 2 injuries thus far.

And he's still underwhelming under Ole. Actually the only player that didn't have a boost in his performance post Mourinho sacking. Maybe it's his own problem.

 

[Patrick08]

He is lazy and doesn't like to move or doesn't have the intelligence to move in the right spaces without the ball. That's what stopping him from being effective.

 

[Keefy18]

Because you put all the blame for his performances on Mourinho and went over the top saying that he was absolutely shat on. He played for a manager that didn't fancy him, it happens. We don't know what Mourinho was asking of him, we just know he didn't fancy him. Martial is just as culpable, especially now. We can't keep making excuses for him and we can't keep saying we don't need a left winger when he's not delivering for us.

Every player is linked with other teams when they are negotiating a new contract. You're smart enough to know that's how these things work.

Unfortunately if he's being picked by a manager that picks based on form fairly then he won't be getting on much on current form. We really need competition out there, Sanchez needs moved on and someone else needs to come in to give us another option out there. It's one of the reasons I'd like to see Lozano come in, pacey, direct, makes runs in behind and can play on both wings. Might be a bit similar to what we have, but when what we have isn't delivering we have no other options at the minute.

Well it was basically Jose's fault. He was performing and dropped for no reason. Same way Chelsea fans are going mental with Sarri for not picking CHO! It's cause of idiotic decisions like this that get managers sacked. If they want to stay in a job you don't drop your players that give you end product / wins.

He's doing OK for Ole, 10 stars thus far and 4 goals with 2 assists. Performances are up and down but in part due to injuries as well and being unable to get a good run at it.

 

[Keefy18]

100 percent.
Theres a reason why a good percentage of us said when Jose was linked to the United job that both Martial and Rashford would regress.
I remember the conversations and I remember many not wanting him here for that reason.

Absolutely this, I recall many of our supporters laughing at City spending €50m on Sterling at the time. It was the same story with Sane as well, so many had a good laugh about it.

Two years of Jose and things have done a 180.

Fact is, Jose has an atrocious record working with youth, Pep has developed those 2 lads and turned them into super players. Our two have stalled.

And he's still underwhelming under Ole. Actually the only player that didn't have a boost in his performance post Mourinho sacking. Maybe it's his own problem.

Doing OK considering.

Already answered above, Jose stopped him dead in his tracks. Rashford wasn't much better either, he's back performing to a far better standard now post Jose.

 

[el3mel]

Doing OK considering.

Already answered above, Jose stopped him dead in his tracks. Rashford wasn't much better either, he's back performing to a far better standard now post Jose.

When will it stop being anyone's else problem and start becoming Martial's ? For 3 years I haven't heard anything from his fans but excuses and slaughtering almost everyone else for his form and problems.

When will it become Ole's problem as well ? Next season ?

 

[LJJT]

I think this summer sadly, it’s time to look at moving him on. We were all desperate for him to renew his contract but I think a lot of it is fear he goes some where else and is amazing: and he may well be. For me he’s just not hard working or good enough. Averages a few good games a season. His average rating must be 5 or 6 out of ten. We could get an average steady Eddie doing 7 out of 10 every week. Let’s get some money in for him and reinvest in some one who actually puts a shift in every game

 

[Keefy18]

When will it stop being anyone's else problem and start becoming Martial's ? For 3 years I haven't heard anything from his fans but excuses and slaughtering almost everyone else for his form and problems.

When will it become Ole's problem as well ? Next season ?

Come on, lets be fair here. Any player involved in 26 goals in 28 starts deserves to be playing consistently wouldn't they? How is that Martial's fault? Cause he wasn't protecting our own corner flag?

His problem for me if I was to fault anything is that he is quite static. Once the ball is at his feet he's alive. He needs to offer us more movement though with runs in behind and finding space.

End product, cannot be faulted at all.

 

[el3mel]

Come on, lets be fair here. Any player involved in 26 goals in 28 games deserves to be playing consistently wouldn't they? How is that Martial's fault? Cause he wasn't protecting our own corner flag?

His problem for me if I was to fault anything is that he is quite static. Once the ball is at his feet he's alive. He needs to offer us more movement though with runs in behind and finding space.

End product, cannot be faulted at all.

Answer my question.

 

[Mainoldo]

Needs to sort it out fast. Time is running short.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I think this summer sadly, it’s time to look at moving him on. We were all desperate for him to renew his contract but I think a lot of it is fear he goes some where else and is amazing: and he may well be. For me he’s just not hard working or good enough. Averages a few good games a season. His average rating must be 5 or 6 out of ten. We could get an average steady Eddie doing 7 out of 10 every week. Let’s get some money in for him and reinvest in some one who actually puts a shift in every game

I agree, but who's going to pay him what we are? We've shafted ourselves a bit with the big contract.

 

[Keefy18]

Answer my question.

I did

It's not his fault if he is performing and gets dropped by a poisonous manager.

I don't blame Martial much at all thus far, why would I? He's completed 3 seasons and 2 of them was under Jose who derailed his career.

I'm absolutely fine with him staying and getting a run at it with Ole. If he has a good run of games under Ole and isn't performing and giving us no end product by this time next season I'm sure Ole and Mike will be thinking he's ready to be moved on.

 

[el3mel]

I did

It's not his fault if he is performing and gets dropped by a poisonous manager.

I don't blame Martial much at all thus far, why would I? He's completed 3 seasons and 2 of them was under Jose who derailed his career.

I'm absolutely fine with him staying and getting a run at it with Ole. If he has a good run of games under Ole and isn't performing and giving us no end product by this time next season I'm sure Ole and Mike will be thinking he's ready to be moved on.

So if he stays underwhelming for the rest of his career it'll be down to the 2 years he spent under Mourinoh ? That's funny.

 

[LJJT]

I agree, but who's going to pay him what we are? We've shafted ourselves a bit with the big contract.

I know what you mean, I don’t know what money he’s on but surely some of the big clubs abroad should be interested in him for 30m+ I’d love him to do well here but think it’s time to move on

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

When will it stop being anyone's else problem and start becoming Martial's ? For 3 years I haven't heard anything from his fans but excuses and slaughtering almost everyone else for his form and problems.

When will it become Ole's problem as well ? Next season ?

All I have heard from the Anti Martial brigade is how the Lad is not good enough for United.

The truth is - he is one of the better players we have and has been one of the best for the last 3 years simply because United have no one else.

Who is clearly a step up from Martial as a football player in our squad? De Gea & Pogba - that's it. Whilst people will cry about Herrera, Rashford, Shaw now suddenly being better than Martial - that is far far far from the truth.


The fact is United as a football club lack significant key world class players & until that moment occurs martial is one of the better players we have in the squad & to let him go is pure fans behind the Internet type of wondering and talking.

The moment we get better players across the pitch like CAM, RW, RB, CM, CDM LCB - we can then decide to let Martial go because we should then arguably be having a better balanced world class squad.

Why the hell would we sell the guy when he is one of the better players we have even when the squad as a whole is not good enough for the top of the league

Replacing martial should be a priority apparently. Wow. Playing FM are we?

 

[DevilRed]

Waiting for Anthony to mature and actually improve himself year on year.

If we are being extremely honest, he looks more or less the same player that came when he was 19.

 

[Celoti23-81]

Cut our losses. He does not seem to be a player suited to the premier league week in week out. He is too inconsistent and has zero work rate. I think he will be a future centre forward rather than a winger anyway! Comparison, Berbatov was actually a better player for us even though he did not last that long here

 

[Keefy18]

So if he stays underwhelming for the rest of his career it'll be down to the 2 years he spent under Mourinoh ? That's funny.

Where did I say that?

I simply said Jose rocked the kids confidence, he barely played him. When he started he hooked him almost every single game no matter what. He was the most substituted player in the league I think at one point last season.

To put it into context for you, Take Ronaldo. Why Ronaldo? Cause he played on the wing and debuted at a similar age as Martial, Ronaldo being about a year or so younger. Still SAF gave him 24 starts in his debut season. Season after he gave him 41 starts and in season 3 afforded him 38 starts. There was steady progression and playing time for Ronaldo there. There is a lot to be said for muscle memory, building up match fitness and form. It is impossible for any human to do this with bit part apps at such a young age.

Martial similarly started 46 matches in his debut season here, just the 27 then with Jose in his first season there and then 25 games the next. He was playing less and less under Jose.

And lets not forget, Ronaldo was woefully inconsistent at a young age and we had our fan base similarly turn on him. He received dogs abuse at matches, booed at routinely. Funny thing is, Martials returns are fine in comparison to Ronaldo even, which is saying something.

Ronaldo 50 goals and 48 assists in 190 games (4 full seasons)
Martial 48 goals and 29 assists in 170 games (still 7 games remaining this season)

Martial is playing in a far worse side than Ronaldo was as well remember, our team is faltering and without a charismatic, successful manager like SAF as well. We are in turmoil completely compared to the situation Ronaldo walked into.

Our fan base is toxic if you ask me and blows things completely out of proportion and judge our players far too harshly.

 

[el3mel]

Where did I say that?

I simply said Jose rocked the kids confidence, he barely played him. When he started he hooked him almost every single game no matter what. He was the most substituted player in the league I think at one point last season.

To put it into context for you, Take Ronaldo. Why Ronaldo? Cause he played on the wing and debuted at a similar age as Martial, Ronaldo being about a year or so younger. Still SAF gave him 24 starts in his debut season. Season after he gave him 41 starts and in season 3 afforded him 38 starts. There was steady progression and playing time for Ronaldo there. There is a lot to be said for muscle memory, building up match fitness and form. It is impossible for any human to do this with bit part apps at such a young age.

Martial similarly started 46 matches in his debut season here, just the 27 then with Jose in his first season there and then 25 games the next. He was playing less and less under Jose.

And lets not forget, Ronaldo was woefully inconsistent at a young age and we had our fan base similarly turn on him. He received dogs abuse at matches, booed at routinely. Funny thing is, Martials returns are fine in comparison to Ronaldo even, which is saying something.

Ronaldo 50 goals and 48 assists in 190 games (4 full seasons)
Martial 48 goals and 29 assists in 170 games (still a 7 games remaining this season)

Martial is playing in a far worse side than Ronaldo was as well remember, our team is faltering and without a charismatic, successful manager like SAF as well. We are in turmoil completely compared to the situation Ronaldo walked into.

Our fan base is toxic if you ask me and blows things completely out of proportion and judge our players far too harshly.

Our fans are toxic for asking for consistency and better form from a player playing for a club that's supposed to challenge for titles ?

Mourinho or not, he's gone several months ago and now Martial is playing under a different manager. There's no more excuses for him or any other player in the squad to not perform regularly and to the high standards expected from a Manchester United player.