Of course he was. The problems at the club were never going to go away with the passing of Mo. There remains an attitude problem at the club personified by the player who managed to get Jose sacked... Pogba.
Jose Mourinho - Was He Right?
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Still to this days, many of our members are looking for absolute truths, for absolute answers. Like a problem like that would be easily fixed by pointing out ONE thing and sadly it just ain't so. Mourinho was right and wrong, our players are shit and good at the same time. There are so many things that can possibly explain our current situation
Jose was every bit as rotten as Pogba. 2 giant egos who crave the attention in every moment. Neither belong at clubs like Utd. We all predicted at the start of the season that both would be gone by summer 2019 and that looks like it's a certainty to happen.
The problem is the players have changed in the last 4 years though.
The squad Mourinho made is different to the one LvG had, which is also different to the one Moyes had.
Every new manager's signings unfortunately, has been as bad as the predecessors before them.
It's a combination of both player and manager.
But I'm not sure how many more managers need to be sacked for something to be done about; how players are recruited, which players are sold and who are awarded new contracts and on what terms.
But I'm not sure how many more managers need to be sacked for something to be done about; how players are recruited, which players are sold and who are awarded new contracts and on what terms.
No he was utterly useless as well.
Was right in everything. Pogba, Martial, defense, board, Woodward. Every thing.
Though his problem is he dealt with all of these in terrible fashion and thus had to leave. No other way around it.
But his opinion in everything was right.
Though his problem is he dealt with all of these in terrible fashion and thus had to leave. No other way around it.
But his opinion in everything was right.
The points you made about him being wrong are flawed. He publicly criticized the players who deserved them. I hope Ole will do the same. He criticize the team last press conference and look at some of them already sulking and downtooling. Is Ole also carrying out negative tactics all the time? It’s the players! Falling out with the club is when he wasn’t backed, and he decided that it was time to move on. Sevilla press conference was the start of a jab at Ed and above to get moving on bringing in reinforcements. We are now seeing these players are not that great.
Mourinho was wrong in that he was an egostistical, self serving cnut. But then that's what made him the winner he is. If he was nicer in saying things then people would have listened to him more, but he would have won a fraction of what he did.
Yep. He analyzed the problems perfectly but dealt with it in poor way, thus should have left, but pretending he wasn't actually right in his analysis is called burying heads in the sand.
Though I think these spineless players deserved getting slaughtered in public.
By that point, he was dealing with them the way he wanted to deal with them. He knew it was a losing battle against Ed and these players who Ed will not see go. Most fans have to understand, these successful managers don’t need this job or the pay. They have plenty of money and plenty of other opportunities. If you want to be successful, you have to support and back them. Otherwise, they’ll move on. Whether you like it or not.
I think this is what he eluded to when he said the game had changed too much. Players have too much power. However I find this the case moreso at our club than any other.
Probably has a very wide grin on him today. Ole now knows what is going on.
Although I think Jose did some things wrong. He did come to a sad club with no idea what to do after Fergie had gone. Players ruling it, sulky attitudes and one of the highest wage bills in world football.
His words about second place seem to get stronger by the week.
Although I think Jose did some things wrong. He did come to a sad club with no idea what to do after Fergie had gone. Players ruling it, sulky attitudes and one of the highest wage bills in world football.
His words about second place seem to get stronger by the week.
I do agree that these spineless cowards deserved slaughtering in public as much as he did and people who were against this should look at the dross these players serve the fans weekly.
Though he did threw the towel in summer. That wasn't a good response. If I were him I would have resigned in summer and let the club face what's coming with their strategy on their own.
I actually hope Ole resigns in summer if the summer market was as shite as the last one because otherwise these spineless players will make him lose his job as the previous manager.
Yep. I’m sure Ed knew football but only enough to be dangerous to the health of our club. The danger is when people think they know more than they do. That’s called poor leadership. Successful and strong leaders always delegate and empower their subordinates to carry out responsibilities that they are better at. Foolish and insecure leaders will want to do it all themselves thinking they can do it better than anyone else.
He was right but he was making it worse.
Jose was right about a lot of things. But and these are massive buts he was the cause of a lot of the problems. So many of the team where his players. He bought them and they sucked. That is on him. He is the one who oversaw our fitness levels and had us running the least in the league for 3 seasons running. That is on him.
And the biggest reason he deserved to be fired as he was a massive arrogant c*nt who did not deserve to be here.
Chances are Ole won't work out. Chances are the next manager won't work out. The owners and Ed are cancer. We know that. But Jose was cancer too, the only difference is we can sack Jose. W can't sack the owners, We can't sack Ed. We are simply shit out of luck.
And the biggest reason he deserved to be fired as he was a massive arrogant c*nt who did not deserve to be here.
Chances are Ole won't work out. Chances are the next manager won't work out. The owners and Ed are cancer. We know that. But Jose was cancer too, the only difference is we can sack Jose. W can't sack the owners, We can't sack Ed. We are simply shit out of luck.
Fat chance he would have resigned. He signed that extension and got himself a big pay out. Do you think a man like Mourinho would give up millions and millions added to his pocket?
One of the most baffling decision was giving him a contract extension then telling him his targets were bobbins.
Of course he was right. About the shite defence. About Pogba being a fairweather player. About most of the squad being spineless.
But he also signed Lukaku, Bailly, Matic, Fred and Sanchez. He played Young and Valencia over signing new full backs with actual talent. Failed to sign a centreback in his last summer. He behaved so caustically that no one listened to him any more.
Now how much of that was entirely his fault is up for debate, obviously nothing is black and white with a board as shambolic as ours. The incompetence of the board was always a bigger problem than Mourinho, but Mourinho still made himself a part of the problem and had to go.
But he also signed Lukaku, Bailly, Matic, Fred and Sanchez. He played Young and Valencia over signing new full backs with actual talent. Failed to sign a centreback in his last summer. He behaved so caustically that no one listened to him any more.
Now how much of that was entirely his fault is up for debate, obviously nothing is black and white with a board as shambolic as ours. The incompetence of the board was always a bigger problem than Mourinho, but Mourinho still made himself a part of the problem and had to go.
Whether Jose was right or wrong is neither here nor there because he was doing a poor job himself. Him and the board are both to blame for things going sour.
He would have never done it because he's not losing anything, he'll get his payoff and he was sure the squad will still look shite after he leaves so it'll be clear it wasn't his problem, but actually think resigning in summer was the proper decision to put us in front of the cannon.
This. If two all-time greats failing at this club didn't make it obvious to some fans, I don't think anything will unfortunately.
Mourinho will maximise his own gain, he does not care about the long term future of this club. He could have resigned in the summer and exposed all of our dirty laundry, but he preferred making more money in an instant than most people make in their whole lives (by getting sacked).
He was right but also part of the problem himself. He built this team.
Yep. I think that is what Jose was finding out. Ed and his management team is encouraging and building that culture. It’s rotten to the core. These younger generation of players are to be dealt with differently yes but catering to them and having the wrong mix is a recipe for disaster. Look at how pep dealt with his young players, he treats them with love one minute and dirt the next. They all need to be put in their place. He can do that because he has enough quality in that squad...if one sulks, another one gets in. They also have Kompany type leadership in their dressing room like we had when we had Zlatan. Without these senior figures, these young spineless players have no chance. If they in addition get support and encouragement from upper management, they become out of control.
He gave up after the summer failure I believe. This all season was for him to gain his payoff once he's sacked and prove he was right to the board with the team failing. He gained both though, tbf with him.
He's gone now anyway. We have loads of problems left that I'm not sure we'll be able to solve any time soon.
There are problems, no doubt, but Jose wasn't a good enough manager to solve them unfortunately.
We had a has-been trying to manage a team of wannabes. Disastrous.
We had a has-been trying to manage a team of wannabes. Disastrous.
He bought lots of the players and failed to clear the deadwood in 2 years and 5 transfer window. No big club looks to be touching him any time soon.
Chop off the head.
He was not a has-been and whoever thinks that will see him winning again soon. Any manager needs backing and supporting system.
I would argue that Jose was exactly who we need. Forget the multi-year rebuild. No fans or club will have patience to wait for thing to shape up in a few year while losing. We needed to move to a model of trying to get enough players whether they are old or young to remain competitive every year. Build on successes year after year. That’s where we are currently...Unfortunate....
The brewing issue with the Spanish/foreign players may becoming as toxic as some of Mourinho's behavior. If the team is split... it will be hard to defeat even average teams.
I think Ole's approach is fine, but the question will be if he can replace those who he believes are dividing the team. This is why I wanted to keep Jose or hire Zidane... at least they could attract world class players if some of our better players are no longer happy or competing.
Ole is calling the players out now too... and I think he's right, like I thought Jose was right to do so.
I only worry if he can replace like for like quality. If he can, then he should be fine... if he can't, then we will be having the same issues recruiting players that we did during the Moyes era.
I think Ole's approach is fine, but the question will be if he can replace those who he believes are dividing the team. This is why I wanted to keep Jose or hire Zidane... at least they could attract world class players if some of our better players are no longer happy or competing.
Ole is calling the players out now too... and I think he's right, like I thought Jose was right to do so.
I only worry if he can replace like for like quality. If he can, then he should be fine... if he can't, then we will be having the same issues recruiting players that we did during the Moyes era.
First right step for sure yeah.
Most big clubs will look at United’s failing through multiple seasons as a sign of club run badly and not all on the manager. They will also get to hear about what is truly going rotten internally at United when they interview Jose. Jose is not responsible for transfers in and out.
And so he had 2 and a half years. He did not win any of the major titles then proceeded to feck it all up as usual. He had his chance.
Next.
I don’t think you’re following a lot of the conversation here. That’s what we’re saying. We won couple of trophies first season, finished 2nd, didn’t get backing that summer, decided it was a lost cause, decided to move on.
He could have been very successful if backed fully.
His words of finishing 2nd with this team was his biggest achievement should tell our fans a lot.
Yeah I don't believe a word he says. Sorry.
A short-term manager like him should have won the league within the first 2 years where he was backed.. His short-term game simply wasn't good enough to beat Pep or win the CL, and so his cycle has come to an end.
Oh yeah.
So utterly useless that he got us to 2nd last season.
That 2nd place trophy. Get in.
Very much so but in the end there has to be an answer.
The short-term game of any manager would not have been enough to best City last season.