Neville: The players who are rotten in the dressing room are all on social media

[Matt007a]

Ability is no substitute for hard work. 11 James Milner’s would beat 11 Pogba’s despite not having the technical quality to match up. Souness might be an angry and biased pundit but he said it best. Go out there and work harder than the other team. If you do that, you’ll win the game because you have better players than they do.

If you ignore form and just put our players up against theirs we are better, but Everton wanted it today so much more than we did. Liverpool, Man City and Spurs are the best 3 teams in the country. It’s no surprise that they are also the best 3 teams at pressing and closing teams down. They are relentless in their work ethic on and off the ball.

The entire culture needs to change and that’s going to take years. Ole has to be backed completely and utterly. If he says to Woodward ‘I want to get rid of Pogba because he doesn’t have the right work ethic’ then he should be allowed to do so, no questioned asked.

I don’t know if Neville is talking about them being on social media too much or what but his point about the papers is valid. The only reason so many rumours about transfers exist is because they’re not denied and clearly players and agents are leaking stories and rumours. That has to be shut down immediately!

 

[GM K]

The full video. Gary Neville is spot on.

Would like to add Slaven Bilic's comments as well. He's absolutely right.

Standing ovation for Bilic here!

Absolutely spot on.

 

[Still ill]

He's a fan and he talks like one sometimes. This is to his detriment as a pundit but it doesn't devalue his opinions. The passion and hurt he brings to these discussions make his arguments less balanced but more real. Everyone's jumped on the social media thing. I just think he means guys who have shit going on that takes their focus away from what matters. Do we have players whose sole focus is not the jersey? 100%. I think that's all he means. And that's incomprehensible to him. As it would have been to every dressing room he inhabited as a United footballer. Hence the outraged bafflement and the mildly hyperbolic language. I agree with him totally. And with Bilic. Up to the board now to back Ole with money but more importantly with power. Back his opinions on players regardless of their potential or value as investments.

 

[Duncan the Great]

Why would giving Ole permanent post make such a difference ? Unbeatable when he was caretaker, working hard for each other with rediscovered confidence to the complete embarrassment we have witnessed since, same players don't seem to give a damn and appear to have little or no self-respect never mind caring for the United heritage.

I think the driver of the team coach when leaving Goodison Park should have made a detour to visit the nearest children's hospital to see how the brave kids are suffering through no fault of their own, it might bring them back to earth then perhaps these overpaid devas may just appreciate how privileged they are and just maybe when the run out on the pitch next time (Man City) they will put some real effort into their own individual performances. Show some bloody respect for the shirt and the fans!!

 

[Florida Man]

So social media activity doesn't tell a full story ? Not a real surprise there

Like I said, Neville wasn’t saying that social media leads to poor performances.

 

[kouroux]

Like I said, Neville wasn’t saying that social media leads to poor performances.

I just think he singled out social media because he doesn't like it, period. It doesn't explain poor performances from footballers in any way. It's just a very stupid shortcut to make IMHO

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

So we're expecting world class results from a single individual and drag us to league challenges / titles surrounded in your squad level players?

The players who believe they are world class and are on world class level contracts, yeah I'm expecting world class performances from them occasionally.

Call me old fashioned.

 

[Jed I. Knight]

It's impossible to say who the culprits are without having access to what's going on behind the scenes, but the culture among this group of players is clearly rotten.

I hope OGS weeds it out, because Neville is obviously spot on. We won't ever return to former heights without a culture where anything less than all you have is good enough under any circumstances.

 

[Cardboard elk]

Bilic is right and it’s nothing that Fergie himself hasn’t said. He always said the most important thing for him was having control. If Mourinho with his record struggled, I can’t see how Ole will manage. I love Ole but he doesn’t have the record to throw his weight around with the likes of Pogba, and I have a bad feeling about how this might end.

I think this is where many people is wrong about Ole. He is actually one robust, hardworking and ruthless man when it gets to be needed. He is smiles yeah, but he is will do whatever necessary to fix United and he will not accept this situation if he gets his say. He has given every player the chance like he said, and in the summer he will start the exodus. It will take more than one transfer window of course. I agree with Neville on this one. Seems a no-brainer to me. This issue has propably been known within the club managment for a time now of course, and the plan with Ole wasn't just about Mou's results and the back to the roots thing, but rebuilding over these 3 years of his contract and getting rid of the poison, getting new talented young players that would accept new input and be moulded in the old United way so that the team could re-emerge once again as a united team with fighting spirit and loyalty to their manager and teammates. This actually plays a lot on Ole's strengths. developing youngsters and inprinting the united way while the whole club re-invents itself over time until the whole apparatus is functional yet again. Not every manager would fit into this grand scheme, so Ole fits perfectly and if he is a winner after 3 years, then there may be a new Fergie. If not, at least the rot is gone, and a new manager can come and work on a functional squad of UNITED players. I for one, think Ole will succeed in both rebuilding, getting rid of the posion AND getting results. Hopefully most fans will back him up during this first hard phase and be justly rewarded as soon as possible in this messed up situation.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Jose spent 18 months staunchly defending Pogba against every single bit of criticism. Before he lost patience. Pogba has that affect on people.

Absolutely.

And as fans and manager, yes, we can change our feckin minds! We're putting our faith in these players. We're supporting them as long as possible. We're not turning for no reason. Feck me, the standard Pogba had upon sacking Jose almost redeemed him. And then, a single flirtatious note from Madrid... Why can't we change our mind? Jose was right and honestly cared more about this club than this group -

He put his reputation on the line by flipping off the executive that's masterminded our downfall and his big name puppets like Pogba .

Turns out the monster isn't the one making the noise , it's the snake in the grass dabbing away.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Absolutely.

And as fans and manager, yes, we can change our feckin minds! We're putting our faith in these players. We're supporting them as long as possible. We're not turning for no reason. Feck me, the standard Pogba had upon sacking Jose almost redeemed him. And then, a single flirtatious note from Madrid... Why can't we change our mind? Jose was right and honestly cared more about this club than this group -

He put his reputation on the line by flipping off the executive that's masterminded our downfall and his big name puppets like Pogba .

Turns out the monster isn't the one making the noise , it's the snake in the grass dabbing away.

Absolute poppycock. Jose was the one when the shit hit the fan separated himself from the club and reminded everybody how much he’s won, and how amazing he is as an individual. He was just as much to blame and deserved to go.

Now the players how no excuses, we will get a proper clear out.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

What people are frustrated at isn't social media (and it's hilarious that people on this forum can't comprehend GNevs actual words and get a tizz because they can't put down IG), it's that these guys continue to market themselves as top pros and see absolutely zero fall out from not performing IN A PERFORMANCE DRIVEN INDUSTRY.

What will be the negative impact for these apparent elite superstars after playing that bad? An article in The Times they wont read? A feature on MNF they won't watch? Do they lose a weeks wages?

No, they can keep spouting out crap online, sharing themselves being "ballers" and top footballers while they shirk, hide and con their way through their contracts, no sooner than they need an extension, they put a bit more effort in and get the agent to drop some stories so it makes their club believe their is demand.

These players don't care and we must be ruthless and cull them.

Ranting sure is fun!

 

[Sterling Archer]

Absolute poppycock. Jose was the one when the shit hit the fan separated himself from the club and reminded everybody how much he’s won, and how amazing he is as an individual. He was just as much to blame and deserved to go.

Now the players how no excuses, we will get a proper clear out.

Poppycock? Jose's fallout with every club has to do with the same combination:

Player Power over the Club. Executive or ownership not having a better solution.

Chelsea - conflict with Abramovich.
Madrid - players. And we're talking similar to United, jovial jerking off international teammates and forgetting the badge not to mention in club alliances
Inter - none. Humble players. Humble executives. Humble fans.
Chelsea 2.0 - Hazard downing tools. Then when courted by Madrid with potential Jose reunion, all of a sudden a manager he'd work with again .
United - you know this.

Jose was not the right manager. Simply because of his football philosophy. He failed not because of that but for the same reason as all the others. His superiors and players are fecking whack. We literally have a multi variable controlled study in Ole's short time that makes it so goddam evident .

Listen to Ole's frustration. He's just short of throwing players under the bus like Jose after 4 months instead of the two seasons it took Jose. He's allaying transfer expectations because Ed is in charge. The whole thing is a fecking joke.

Hate Jose as much as you want, he's a dick. But he's a better football brain and manager than most . He may not have been a fit for United, but doesn't mean he's wrong.

 

[kouroux]

What people are frustrated at isn't social media (and it's hilarious that people on this forum can't comprehend GNevs actual words and get a tizz because they can't put down IG), it's that these guys continue to market themselves as top pros and see absolutely zero fall out from not performing IN A PERFORMANCE DRIVEN INDUSTRY.

What will be the negative impact for these apparent elite superstars after playing that bad? An article in The Times they wont read? A feature on MNF they won't watch? Do they lose a weeks wages?

No, they can keep spouting out crap online, sharing themselves being "ballers" and top footballers while they shirk, hide and con their way through their contracts, no sooner than they need an extension, they put a bit more effort in and get the agent to drop some stories so it makes their club believe their is demand.

These players don't care and we must be ruthless and cull them.

Ranting sure is fun!

He should have the courage to name the players he has in mind instead of hiding behind the social media thing then.

 

[breakout67]

He should have the courage to name the players he has in mind instead of hiding behind the social media thing then.

You are expecting too much of GNev. Ole is his pal and he'll look out for him by not causing too much grief by calling out specific players.

 

[chiz2kul]

I'd gladly sell Pogba, De Gea and Martial tomorrow if it meant we got 7 new players in the summer.

madness. The state of this club and fans.
Its amazing how quickly the tide turns and opinions change, in over just a couple weeks.

Gary "Man Utd ‘til I die" Neville is simply just pandering to the popular opinion. Blame social media, blame Pogba, OGS good etc etc. Such bullocks.
His most important point is the work rate which is sorely lacking. One of the reasons United went on the run was simply because of the work rate that comes with excitement of new manager. Honeymoon period is over, and its back to square one.

Get rid of the deadwood, keep the talent (aka the names you mentioned up there) and accept reality that the rebuilding period with OGS is going to be a couple painful years. The biggest problem I have with today's fan is their lack of patience.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Poppycock? Jose's fallout with every club has to do with the same combination:

Player Power over the Club. Executive or ownership not having a better solution.

Chelsea - conflict with Abramovich.
Madrid - players. And we're talking similar to United, jovial jerking off international teammates and forgetting the badge not to mention in club alliances
Inter - none. Humble players. Humble executives. Humble fans.
Chelsea 2.0 - Hazard downing tools. Then when courted by Madrid with potential Jose reunion, all of a sudden a manager he'd work with again .
United - you know this.

Jose was not the right manager. Simply because of his football philosophy. He failed not because of that but for the same reason as all the others. His superiors and players are fecking whack. We literally have a multi variable controlled study in Ole's short time that makes it so goddam evident .

Listen to Ole's frustration. He's just short of throwing players under the bus like Jose after 4 months instead of the two seasons it took Jose. He's allaying transfer expectations because Ed is in charge. The whole thing is a fecking joke.

Hate Jose as much as you want, he's a dick. But he's a better football brain and manager than most . He may not have been a fit for United, but doesn't mean he's wrong.

Moving Jose is the right thing long term.

clearly the squad isn’t good enough and it does need a big turnout, I don’t think anybody really thinks this team has the quality or depth to keep it up a whole season.

I never felt Jose was truly committed, but we know ole and mike will be. It’s probably going to take a few years to get back to where we want to be, but it’s just what we have to accept.

I say promote Chong/Greenwood/Gomes and sell Lukaku,Sanchez,Matic.

 

[kouroux]

You are expecting too much of GNev. Ole is his pal and he'll look out for him by not causing too much grief by calling out specific players.

Otherwise what he said has no more worth than what the average caftard has been saying.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

He should have the courage to name the players he has in mind instead of hiding behind the social media thing then.

It's wholly unprofessional to single out certain players especially given his relationship to the club and to Ole.

Secondly he's not hiding behind social media thing, that is incidental and everyone is leaping on that rather than face up to the fact that some of our fan favourites / biggest names are not good.

 

[breakout67]

Otherwise what he said has no more worth than what the average caftard has been saying.

That is GNev, a fan that gets paid huge amounts to be a pundit. He was never the same after the Valencia stint, he changed once he realised that his insights on football were not special.

 

[kouroux]

It's wholly unprofessional to single out certain players especially given his relationship to the club and to Ole.

Secondly he's not hiding behind social media thing, that is incidental and everyone is leaping on that rather than face up to the fact that some of our fan favourites / biggest names are not good.

He is definitely hiding, naming players directly would be protecting his mate Ole because if the same players are underperforming under Jose and him then the blame would be on them. Neville speaks in general, mentions nobody specifically and makes vague points. I mean, I'd expect better from someone who is paid handsomely to give football analysis.

 

[tony54]

It's impossible to say who the culprits are without having access to what's going on behind the scenes, but the culture among this group of players is clearly rotten.

What people are frustrated at isn't social media (and it's hilarious that people on this forum can't comprehend GNevs actual words and get a tizz because they can't put down IG), it's that these guys continue to market themselves as top pros and see absolutely zero fall out from not performing IN A PERFORMANCE DRIVEN INDUSTRY.

What will be the negative impact for these apparent elite superstars after playing that bad? An article in The Times they wont read? A feature on MNF they won't watch? Do they lose a weeks wages?

No, they can keep spouting out crap online, sharing themselves being "ballers" and top footballers while they shirk, hide and con their way through their contracts, no sooner than they need an extension, they put a bit more effort in and get the agent to drop some stories so it makes their club believe their is demand.

These players don't care and we must be ruthless and cull them.

Ranting sure is fun!

I hope OGS weeds it out, because Neville is obviously spot on. We won't ever return to former heights without a culture where anything less than all you have is good enough under any circumstances.

I think its apparent to most who the Mafia are in the team and I hope that oly can get shot of them rapido. I dont think the jumped up pip squeaks will be wanted by any top team but may be better in a circus showing off their short flashes of skills and them sulking off when they lose the ball

 

[Mickeza]

He should have the courage to name the players he has in mind instead of hiding behind the social media thing then.

In fairness he said he’d name them when our top 4 hopes are done. He obviously knows it’d create a massive media story and doesn’t want to do that whilst we still have something to play for. It’s obvious Pogba is one though. I’d imagine Martial and Lingard would be two others. He brought up Lingard starting a clothing line when we played Liverpool so it isn’t just the foreign players he has a pop at.

Bilic is spot on. Pogba runs the place. He thinks he’s bigger than the club whilst Scott Mctominay outperforms him in our biggest games of the season. Get him out. We use the money to rebuild an attacking team of commited players who actually want to be here and he gets to go play galactico at Madrid. Everyone wins. I saw someone earlier say where would we be without Pogba? Probably 6th to be honest.

 

[kouroux]

In fairness he said he’d name them when our top 4 hopes are done. He obviously knows it’d create a massive media story and doesn’t want to do that whilst we still have something to play for. It’s obvious Pogba is one though. I’d imagine Martial and Lingard would be two others. He brought up Lingard starting a clothing line when we played Liverpool so it isn’t just the foreign players he has a pop at.

Bilic is spot on. Pogba runs the place. He thinks he’s bigger than the club whilst Scott Mctominay outperforms him in our biggest games of the season. Get him out. We use the money to rebuild an attacking team of commited players who actually want to be here and he gets to go play galactico at Madrid. Everyone wins. I saw someone earlier say where would we be without Pogba? Probably 6th to be honest.

We'll see, if that his mindset then I think it would have been better to shut up altogether and wait for top 4 to be gone to give his full assessment. Just my 2 cents.

 

[crossy1686]

There has been a lot of talk from reputable sources that Pogba was apparently a proper cock to Jose on the training ground. Publicly undermining him in front of the squad and questioning his tactics and what not. If that's not enough to sell a player then what message does it send to the squad and when does Solskjær start getting that treatment also?

Neville would have been well aware of all that as he's still got mates on the coaching staff.

 

[JPRouve]

I seem to remember that the use of terms like cancer to describe people wasn't allowed for obvious reasons and it's even worse when it's done for no objective or factual reasons.

 

[JJ12]

Typical Neville rubbish.

He's spot on. Not sure what you've been watching.

 

[breakout67]

There has been a lot of talk from reputable sources that Pogba was apparently a proper cock to Jose on the training ground. Publicly undermining him in front of the squad and questioning his tactics and what not. If that's not enough to sell a player then what message does it send to the squad and when does Solskjær start getting that treatment also?

Neville would have been well aware of all that as he's still got mates on the coaching staff.

Either him or Lukaku chose to drive home in their Rolls Royce instead of on the team bus under Mou. Rolls Royce is Pogba's choice of car, while Lukaku simply owns a Rolls Royce, so it might be Pogba that did that.

 

[crossy1686]

madness. The state of this club and fans.
Its amazing how quickly the tide turns and opinions change, in over just a couple weeks.

Gary "Man Utd ‘til I die" Neville is simply just pandering to the popular opinion. Blame social media, blame Pogba, OGS good etc etc. Such bullocks.
His most important point is the work rate which is sorely lacking. One of the reasons United went on the run was simply because of the work rate that comes with excitement of new manager. Honeymoon period is over, and its back to square one.

Get rid of the deadwood, keep the talent (aka the names you mentioned up there) and accept reality that the rebuilding period with OGS is going to be a couple painful years. The biggest problem I have with today's fan is their lack of patience.

Nope. I've been happy for Martial to leave since the Mourinho situation and De Gea can go due to the stalling on a contract and holding the club to ransom. Pogba can go because he thinks he's bigger than the club and got Jose sacked in the end. None of my opinions are based on today's game but we saw exactly what those players, along with others offer today.

If we sold them and used the funds to rebuild with 7 players, we wouldn't have to play half the shit we play now because we don't have an option and that it absolutely fine by me.

 

[Mal donaghy]

Why would giving Ole permanent post make such a difference ? Unbeatable when he was caretaker, working hard for each other with rediscovered confidence to the complete embarrassment we have witnessed since, same players don't seem to give a damn and appear to have little or no self-respect never mind caring for the United heritage.

I think the driver of the team coach when leaving Goodison Park should have made a detour to visit the nearest children's hospital to see how the brave kids are suffering through no fault of their own, it might bring them back to earth then perhaps these overpaid devas may just appreciate how privileged they are and just maybe when the run out on the pitch next time (Man City) they will put some real effort into their own individual performances. Show some bloody respect for the shirt and the fans!!

Well said lad . Well said

 

[crossy1686]

Either him or Lukaku chose to drive home in their Rolls Royce instead of on the team bus under Mou. Rolls Royce is Pogba's choice of car, while Lukaku simply owns a Rolls Royce, so it might be Pogba that did that.

I remember Jose saying that and I think he was trying to imply it was Pogba, again, thinks he's bigger than the club or at least the team if it was him. At the same time though, we don't know how much of a cock Jose was being to him in front of the other players or the circumstance for asking that question. So benefit of the doubt and all that...

 

[RuudTom83]

Pogba is getting a lot of the abuse but for me it’s the Smalling, Jones and Young calibre of player that should be put out of their misery first.

There are so many problems with the club but the deadwood is long past making any resurgence.

Whereas Paul could still turn out to be a good player...but the 3 lads I mentioned need to be out the door first.

 

[Mickeza]

We'll see, if that his mindset then I think it would have been better to shut up altogether and wait for top 4 to be gone to give his full assessment. Just my 2 cents.

It’s his job to comment though. And he’s a fan. What do you want him to say after losing 4-0 to Everton in a must-win game whilst running 8km less than them and having a combined total of 3 tackles and interceptions across central midfield in 90 minutes? I thought it was hard to top West Ham away in terms of lack of commitment but they managed it today.

 

[breakout67]

I remember Jose saying that and I think he was trying to imply it was Pogba, again, thinks he's bigger than the club or at least the team if it was him. At the same time though, we don't know how much of a cock Jose was being to him in front of the other players or the circumstance for asking that question. So benefit of the doubt and all that...

I personally think both are cocks, but one is the manager and another is the player. The manager over rules the player, the only one that should be telling the manager what to do is the people above him like director of football, CEO, owners.

 

[jderbyshire]

GARY

NEVILLE

IS

NOT

BLAMING

SOCIAL

MEDIA.

 

[kouroux]

It’s his job to comment though. And he’s a fan. What do you want him to say after losing 4-0 to Everton in a must-win game whilst running 8km less than them and having a combined total of 3 tackles and interceptions across central midfield in 90 minutes? I thought it was hard to top West Ham away in terms of lack of commitment but they managed it today.

I would have wanted him to name the players he thought were rubbish by showing individual running stats and comparing them to Everton players. Just alone would have been better instead of using the social media angle that is pointless. Ole is his friend so blaming the players should be very easy. Season is over anyway

 

[hn4manunited]

The full video. Gary Neville is spot on.

Would like to add Slaven Bilic's comments as well. He's absolutely right.

Slaven is spot on. Totally agree with everything he’s said. He sees it clearly and that is a big problem at United. Jose has said it. Neville has said it. The players act it.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Moving Jose is the right thing long term.

clearly the squad isn’t good enough and it does need a big turnout, I don’t think anybody really thinks this team has the quality or depth to keep it up a whole season.

I never felt Jose was truly committed, but we know ole and mike will be. It’s probably going to take a few years to get back to where we want to be, but it’s just what we have to accept.

I say promote Chong/Greenwood/Gomes and sell Lukaku,Sanchez,Matic.

Yeah I agree Jose needed to go. Speaking strictly about the fallout I think he saw it as the board and the players turned on him, as they have every other manager since Sir Alex . It was easy for them - the man is a lot to deal with . But we all wondered which was at the root - the players and board or the managers. I think that's been made clear now. And how dirty does it feel to support this club for these last 7 years of dross to realize the same players many of us coddled and gave excuses from being young to millennial to needing nurture, they're the same self entitled core that's our issue .

 

[Sandikan]

"They're all on social media"

Blooody hell - wake up Gaz, it's 2019, they're all at it in every club!
Probably bar Milner!

 

[hn4manunited]

GARY

NEVILLE

IS

NOT

BLAMING

SOCIAL

MEDIA.

Thank you!!! OMG!