I do not want to jump in the wider debate but, I definitely think our performance against Barca in 08 was vastly overstated.
Is Roy Keane actually a good pundit
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I'm in my mid forties so wrong again, Schweiny.
Barcelona were playing with Zambrota and Thuram in their team and lost 4-1 to Madrid the following month before finishing 3rd in the league. The entire reason Pep was seen as this saviour in Barca's history is because he stopped the rot the following season. They were not the formidable force they went on to be in 2009-2011, it's all rose tinted glasses. Quireroz must be Adnan's dad.
Maybe pull out the VHS tapes then. Re-watch. Come back when you're done.
edit: so are all the people complaining about dinosauric has-been attitudes, older posters
I know who'd win a midfield battle that's for sure.
Keane isn't the most analytic of pundits but I love how he speaks what he thinks. The one about Pogba not caring and paying lip service was exactly what I thought when I saw the interview and Keane called him out when nobody else would have dared be that honest.
What would that have to do with him being a pundit?
Butt hurt Keane fan boy..
Queiroz won trophy's as Real Madrid manager, at SCP too. Queiroz also brought the Portuguese golden generation to two u-20 world cup triumphs. Players like Rui Costa and Luis Figo credit Queiroz for their early development.
I'm a Keane fan because he was our greatest captain and one of our greatest ever players. Quieroz though? I'm sick of contrarians like you over crediting him for nothing. Winning trophys with Madrid and Sporting is like putting a par. Truth is he got sacked and came crawling back to United as assistant cause he couldn't cut it in management. Keane achieved more at Sunderland funnily than Quieroz did in his whole 30 years in management.Butt hurt Keane fan boy..
Queiroz won trophy's as Real Madrid manager, at SCP too. Queiroz also brought the Portuguese golden generation to two u-20 world cup triumphs. Players like Rui Costa and Luis Figo credit Queiroz for their early development.
That game at OT is mythologized for four reasons:
1) It had been so long since we got to a final
1) We went on to win the final
2) Barcelona went on to become arguably the greatest club side ever with arguably the greatest player ever
3) Old Trafford was incredible
That night was in my eyes the last truly great Old Trafford atmosphere. It hasn't been matched since. And when we reached the final again in 2009 and 2011 it was a walk in the park to get there whereas the 2008 Barca games were nail-biters.
Five reasons. A beauty of a thunder strike from no other than Scholesy to win the game.
Winning two u20 world cups with Portugal and helping to develop two legends of the game is also par I suppose?
Currently he's managing Colombia whilst Keane failed as no.2 to O'neill with the ROI.
What the hell happened, just finished watching a replay, didnt check pre and post match part?
What a genius. Two U20 world cups with players like Figo and Rui Costa? Truly deserves to get equal praise along with Ferguson for barely beating the 3rd placed team in La Liga in 2008 who lost 4-1 to Real Madrid and 3-2 to Mallorca the same month.Winning two u20 world cups with Portugal and helping to develop two legends of the game is also par I suppose?
But, as mentioned it was not the same side we faced in 09. The likes of Zambrotta, Marquez and Milito and were using teenage Bojan as a supersub. We should have blown them away not the cagey affair that it was. Going away to Roma and beating them 2-0 in the first leg was a lot more impressive.
Good point
Two u20 world cups with two unknown kids he developed along with Fernando Couto and the rest.
I think there is a middle ground here. Queiroz like someone said before was brilliant for the Portugal Youth Teams winning 2 under 20 World Cups. Where I would value him with Sporting was he knew how to spot players but in the end he only won a Cup with players like Figo, Naybet, Balakov or Paulo Sousa before.
Everyone there liked more Bobby Robson because he was a better man manager and his teams were less rigid. Queiroz always had troubles during his career with players.
Balakov, Valckx, Cadete, even later with Beckham or Ronaldo. He is someone good for planning and to develop National teams, or at Manchester United only under the guidance of Ferguson who he truly respects and admired.
Probably the only person he didn’t had problems during his career. By the way few people know but he was Mourinho teacher at university level where he said he was his best student.
Difficult personality who lacked human skills to become a top manager.
Both of you are right regarding his weaknesses or qualities.
Trust me I know his work at youth level, on that matter a brilliant mind.
All right. Should I also f-p every time Roy appears on screen, the way you likely do?
Not getting touchy at all. I just find it strange and disappointing that United fans show such disrespect for a player who was the leader and best player at the club for 7-8 years.You seem to be getting touchy over Keane..
The issue Keane had with Queiroz was over his coaching methods/role. Not sure what their playing careers has to do with Queiroz having the last laugh in their feud.
When Ole talks about "culture" and "Man Utd players", Keane was instrumental in building that culture at United. At the time he left the club he was the most influential player in Fergie's time at the club by a large margin.
I really don't know what your fascination with "the last laugh" is. Fergie sided with Queiroz over Keane because Keane's injuries were mounting and, most importantly, Keane had a go at Fergie in training in front of the squad about the racehorse.
Keane will go down in United history as one of the best ever players. Quieroz will be regarded as a good assistant. I hope both of them get "the last laugh" out of that because they both played their part in United's success in their own way.
This is the most Quieroz discussion we have had on this forum in like 10 years.
Good balanced post, can't really disagree with too much there.
We were chasing shadows in the Nou Camp. Got a pen so early and Ronaldo missed it. After that it was all about resisting Barca. You're right that they were a different team and older team. Liverpool knocked them out in 07 and Chelsea had some great battles with them. But Barca were European Champions just two years back, they had big names like Etoo, Henry and Deco and rising superstars Pep took on.
Sir Alex never had a good record vs Spanish clubs in general and in past years our tactical nous (the lack of) saw us knocked out time and time again. The Barca legs saw us get over the line and that was a coming of age. We went to two of the next three finals, unfortunately meeting a different beast of Barcelona.
He won the Spanish version of the charity shield with Real Madrid - his one and only trophy with them.Butt hurt Keane fan boy..
Queiroz won trophy's as Real Madrid manager, at SCP too. Queiroz also brought the Portuguese golden generation to two u-20 world cup triumphs. Players like Rui Costa and Luis Figo credit Queiroz for their early development.
He managed the biggest club in the world and helped Iran to a world Cup. He's had a good managerial career and he's the current manager of Colombia.
In 1991 and 1999 the football approach was different but I don’t agree with the statement they should have been blown away. Every time Ferguson faced them the results were balanced, even under a more proactive approach.
That was the only the second time we beat them too under Fergie. First win coming in the 1991 CWC final.
Why are we still talking about Quieroz? And he was the manager at Real because at the time Perez was trying to prove to the World that managers did not matter much.
I have to review that game, remember as a kid watching it , was a Ferguson vs Cruyff, but don’t remember anything, most important was the return of English clubs to European football.
Perez still isn't convinced it seems. Promoted his reserve team manager and they won three three on the trot.
Actually it was a mistake both for Perez and Queiroz, Perez never liked Del Bosque.
Haha. If it will make you happy, by all means.
No, he was an assistant manager in the biggest club in the world
My bad..No, he was an assistant manager in the biggest club in the world
This team needs a Roy Keane, a Cantona, or a Gary. Literally, i'd like them to be envolved with the staff. People who walk into a room and everybody stays quiet terrified.
At Madrid nobody dares to disrespect Zidane for example. We need a big, tough guy who will make the dressing room care about Manchester United!
Going back to the thread's title, hell yeah, he is a very good pundit when he wants to be, as a player he was always perceived as somewhat of just a tough durable guy but he always had an eye for the tactics of the game.
At Madrid nobody dares to disrespect Zidane for example. We need a big, tough guy who will make the dressing room care about Manchester United!
Going back to the thread's title, hell yeah, he is a very good pundit when he wants to be, as a player he was always perceived as somewhat of just a tough durable guy but he always had an eye for the tactics of the game.
It would be great if he ever showed it when he is a pundit.
He’s like an angrier version of a pub bore who thinks everything is solved by “wanting it more” and “putting in a shift”.
No wonder he was a shite manager.
No wonder he was a shite manager.
I bet the six foot three Pogba who shrugs of the majority of opponents as if they were children would be absolutely bricking it at the thought of Scrappy Doo getting up in his grill.
Pogba and mates throwing hair gel at each other.
I assume he’s talking about the fact that Queiroz’s tactics won United the CL in 2008.