I doubt Keane is deluded enough to think he stands any chance of being United manager.
Is Roy Keane actually a good pundit
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Love him, basically boils piss by merely being honest.
Imagine actually arguing that Keane had a more successful post-2005 career than Queiroz. 
He was right about that fecking horse.
Sterling beat him to a header last night
Gaz shouldn't have tried to patronise Keane and Souness with his, 'I know as I was a fullback' BS in the first place.
I don't understand why people call Keane a crap manager. He did magnificently with Sunderland in the Championship, which is a tough division and just by that has achieved more than 99% of other managers in the sport. He also hit glass ceilings and has failures, like almost literally every other manager on the planet.
Fans show too much disrespect to footballers, managers and pundits generally, and hilariously think their knowledge exceeds those in the profession. Most fans need to know their damn place in the Dunning-Kruger graph (search on google if you're unfamiliar with the graph. Most fans are somewhere between: 'You know nothing and you know it', and 'you know excruiatingly little yet think you're an expert').
Fans show too much disrespect to footballers, managers and pundits generally, and hilariously think their knowledge exceeds those in the profession. Most fans need to know their damn place in the Dunning-Kruger graph (search on google if you're unfamiliar with the graph. Most fans are somewhere between: 'You know nothing and you know it', and 'you know excruiatingly little yet think you're an expert').
Actually Conte did freed Pogba.Yes your point is nonsense...lad. A midfielder that doesn't track back is not a midfielder, he's a luxury player. There's a reason Conte, Aleggri, Mourinho and Deschamps never entertained this 'freeing Pogba' nonsense, they made sure he put the work in being part of the midfield.
I'm surprised you can see while being so far up his arse. Darmian or Lindelof would be my pick.
same. I am usually accused of going too tough on Keane however yesterday he was absolutely spot on
I've been criticised for saying this previously, but Keane just did what he always does. He claimed that the team that won tried harder, and the team that lost didn't try hard enough. Which is what he says after every match. You could have locked him in a cupboard during the match, and told him the result at the end, and he still would have said exactly the same thing.
Souness is pretty much the same. You could replace Souness with a tape recorder that said 'work rate' and 'dressing room' on a continual loop. Work rate...dressing room...work rate...dressing room...work rate...when I was at Liverpool...dressing room. You wouldn't have to pay that tape recorder 200 grand a year either.
According to Keane in particular, and Souness to a great extent, every football match in history has been decided by tracking back and one team trying harder than the other.
Whereas Neville and Carragher actually attempt to analyse what has occurred in a game. Neville is better at it than Carragher, but Carragher at least attempts to understand the pattern of play, and picks out things that the average punter cannot see. You couldn't have Keane on MNF because he doesn't have anything constructive to say.
The reality is that City are way, way better than United, and last night was pretty much as well as United could have expected to fare. If Lingard had taken their one clear-cut chance then they might have scraped a wholly underserved draw. Or if City had missed all of their chances then they might have got a 0-0.
They're playing against a brilliant team and squad, that are likely to have put 198 points on the board in two seasons by the end of May. They had absolutely no f*cking chance whatsoever, and were completely outclassed by a much superior team technically, as was entirely predictable before the game started. The result had nothing to do with work rate or effort.
Souness is pretty much the same. You could replace Souness with a tape recorder that said 'work rate' and 'dressing room' on a continual loop. Work rate...dressing room...work rate...dressing room...work rate...when I was at Liverpool...dressing room. You wouldn't have to pay that tape recorder 200 grand a year either.
According to Keane in particular, and Souness to a great extent, every football match in history has been decided by tracking back and one team trying harder than the other.
Whereas Neville and Carragher actually attempt to analyse what has occurred in a game. Neville is better at it than Carragher, but Carragher at least attempts to understand the pattern of play, and picks out things that the average punter cannot see. You couldn't have Keane on MNF because he doesn't have anything constructive to say.
The reality is that City are way, way better than United, and last night was pretty much as well as United could have expected to fare. If Lingard had taken their one clear-cut chance then they might have scraped a wholly underserved draw. Or if City had missed all of their chances then they might have got a 0-0.
They're playing against a brilliant team and squad, that are likely to have put 198 points on the board in two seasons by the end of May. They had absolutely no f*cking chance whatsoever, and were completely outclassed by a much superior team technically, as was entirely predictable before the game started. The result had nothing to do with work rate or effort.
Me not. Thought he was bang on again. Only wish the club had the balls to call these players out and bring down the axe on them
Pretty much this. Spout the same old lines, and it’s called passion and honesty. Not a surprise to see how bad his managerial record is if he thinks that football is just about digging in.
Roy Keane is becoming a dinasour. Football has moved on from his day. He talks a good game like most pundits, but that's where it ends.
Yes to all of this post including the parts not quoted. Just now and again I wish there was a like button.
There's no disgrace in losing to this City side, the disgrace was capitulating at Goodison.
All about desire and lack of quality not fitness.
I didn’t hear anything different from Keano than what has already been circulating in the United fan chat forums.
Nev and others are bought by Sky and rant within the limits imposed by their deals.
Roy sets his own agenda and is not intimidated by anyone. Even Nev chuckled at some of his comments but also struggled to show his true colours after his Everton rant.
More Roy less the rest.
Nev and others are bought by Sky and rant within the limits imposed by their deals.
Roy sets his own agenda and is not intimidated by anyone. Even Nev chuckled at some of his comments but also struggled to show his true colours after his Everton rant.
More Roy less the rest.
All of this.
The side has not look the same since the spate of injuries that started with the Liverpool match. It is definitely a fitness issue.
He doesn't. He's saying thats the starting point
Didn't say anything untrue or any different than the majority of views on here.
Does anybody else think we should give him a job as a coach? He would help keep players grounded and wouldn't be afraid to have serious words when it's needed. I would like to add that we would probably end up with half a squad due to players not being able to stand him but could add a bit of needed anger and passion to the players .
Players can wake up in the morning check their social media and have thousands of messages about how they played like crap delivered directly to their phone. Why do people have this idea that players never get criticized?
That is not a good thing.
Sorry that is the thinnest fig leaf, up there with the Sanchez just needs a pre-season.
We have players that have nowhere near the quality needed and even worse they have less desire and fight.
Apart from football he looks better now.
Clean shaven, cool and looks bit younger too.
Seems he is in a good place now.
Clean shaven, cool and looks bit younger too.
Seems he is in a good place now.
I think were people get Keane (and Jose for that matter) wrong is that they don't hammer players they feel are doing everything in their power to perform at 100%
The OP seems to miss the point a little when arguing that Keane's criticism of Arsenal's selfie culture is strange considering Real and Barcelona do something similar - I think the difference is two-fold;
1) Barcelona and Real win major trophies
2) They pose for these pics as a team, not as individuals
Similarly, the OP argues Lingard should not be criticised for launcing a clothing range before the Liverpool game as "even Messi and Ronaldo" have interests outside of football....hang on a minute....we know the huge sacrifices Ronaldo and Messi have made to get to the very top of the game, Lingard cannot even be mentioned in the same breath! If Lingard had achieved everything the game had to offer and was launching a clothing range to diversify his interests as his career wound down then fine. The point is, Lingard is not a successful footballer and those hours and days spent setting up a clothing range should have been spent on the training pitch or in the gym
You often hear stories about Cantona practicising his shooting with YTS' after training or Ronaldo's strict diet and training regime, for example. How many of our current players do you think stay behind after training? How many of them do you think treat it like school and rush out the door as soon as the "bell rings" to get home and piss about on Twitter/FIFA?
I think standards are low on this forum. People forget we are talking about elite sportspeople. They have to hold themselves to higher standards. They have to have an almost zealot-like obsession with improving every day. It is clear to me and to people like Keane and Jose that our current squad don't have this and THAT is what people mean when they say this squad doesn't care. Of course they 'care', they just don't care enough and I think the problem is they don't understand that and therefore won't/can't change
The OP seems to miss the point a little when arguing that Keane's criticism of Arsenal's selfie culture is strange considering Real and Barcelona do something similar - I think the difference is two-fold;
1) Barcelona and Real win major trophies
2) They pose for these pics as a team, not as individuals
Similarly, the OP argues Lingard should not be criticised for launcing a clothing range before the Liverpool game as "even Messi and Ronaldo" have interests outside of football....hang on a minute....we know the huge sacrifices Ronaldo and Messi have made to get to the very top of the game, Lingard cannot even be mentioned in the same breath! If Lingard had achieved everything the game had to offer and was launching a clothing range to diversify his interests as his career wound down then fine. The point is, Lingard is not a successful footballer and those hours and days spent setting up a clothing range should have been spent on the training pitch or in the gym
You often hear stories about Cantona practicising his shooting with YTS' after training or Ronaldo's strict diet and training regime, for example. How many of our current players do you think stay behind after training? How many of them do you think treat it like school and rush out the door as soon as the "bell rings" to get home and piss about on Twitter/FIFA?
I think standards are low on this forum. People forget we are talking about elite sportspeople. They have to hold themselves to higher standards. They have to have an almost zealot-like obsession with improving every day. It is clear to me and to people like Keane and Jose that our current squad don't have this and THAT is what people mean when they say this squad doesn't care. Of course they 'care', they just don't care enough and I think the problem is they don't understand that and therefore won't/can't change
Lingard plays consistently for one of the biggest clubs in the World, is an England international, has won an FA Cup, the Europa League, League Cup and played in the semis of the World Cup. He is in the top .1% of Footballers globally. The average professional Footballer would look at someone like Lingard as somebody who "made it". And he is a millionaire so it would make sense that he would make investments outside of Football. The question I keep asking is if Lingard opened a restaurant would people still be upset? A lot of Footballers own or invest in businesses even ones who are not as rich as Lingard is.
Spot on, great post.
True. Mata has a Tapas restaurant in Manchester but no one has linked that to his terrible form.
We have a poor track record converting our top players into management. None of our former players have done that well in coaching and management. Partly their reputations preceded them as United players but also they were never gifted with managing the top players. Keane might have been a good coaching option back in the day but the split with Fergie prevented that from happening. Its too late now, too much bad blood and recriminations.
In terms of instilling ‘anger and passion’, what people have missed was Keane’s comment about the number of leaders in the old squads. He probably also meant characters and within that frame it’s clear we have a squad of characterless players. They dive into social media pretty quickly but none of them have shown any inkling to lead on the pitch. In the game against Barca it looked like men against boys, in effect a team of strong characters against a group of flaky rather weak individuals.
Mata has scored fifty goals for Manchester United, won several FA Cups, Europa League, Champions League, League Cups, World Cup and Euros. He's four years older and has also started a charity.
Comparing Mata to Lingard is ridiculous.
Yes, and notice that Neville absolutely hammered them after the Everton game, but defended them after this one. That's because he actually analyses the game. I thought United even played quite well last night, certainly in the first-half. They were just slowly but surely worn down by a much superior outfit who, as anyone could have predicted, completely dominated the ball and the play.
Keane is just a miserable git who seems to think he's the only person who ever tried hard on a football field, and Souness was sulking because Liverpool won't win the league, and he bizarrely thought United would kick lumps out of City because it was a derby match, forgetting that the year isn't 1976 any more.
They should count themselves lucky that they're handsomely paid for spouting such drivel.
Guys I am wondering how much do you have to accomplish in Football until you are allowed to start your own business?
Yeah that is why it was good to hear Neville talk like that after the match since with his rant after Everton I thought he was slowly turning into a pundit like Keane or Souness.
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Keano should be on for every United game. At least we'd be guaranteed some entertainment!
Moved on has it , to hairdressers and pantomime princesses who just could not be arsed . Hell of a move alright . Keane was spot on last night , absolutely 100% correct in everything he said .I just wonder what it is about the truth that people like you have such an issue with ?
His point is that being involved in outside businesses is normal for footballers, they work relatively few hours most days. The idea that you can only have extra business interests when you’ve won the World Cup etc isn’t really based in any logic as far as I can see.
Personally I think Lingard is a confidence player and is really stuck in a rut at the moment. He’ll never be a world beater but should be a squadie doing a job now and then.
Played quite well !!!!!!. Yea sure whatever , but we are Man Utd not Brighton and our team were so second best in every department its simply shocking . We are now Liverpool of 1991 , at the way things are going and clubs like City are progressing we can be 30 years from winning a title . Of that team that played last night perhaps 3 are worth a place in a squad , no more . You may not like the picture of reality Keane and others have painted but knocking them for their honesty while you are denial is just foolish.